No right wing alternative= No alternative

alastair · 09-02-2020 04:39AM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You don't get to confine the debate to anyone else's terms either. Especially via your sources.

Once again, you're welcome.

Happily I do get to respond to a specific claim with data that responds to the specific nature of that claim. The difficulty arises with your desire to distract from that specificity. See previous reference to unwarranted sensitivity.

Lefty Bicek · 09-02-2020 04:51AM

alastair wrote: »

Happily I do get to respond to a specific claim with data that responds to the specific nature of that claim. The difficulty arises with your desire to distract from that specificity. See previous reference to unwarranted sensitivity.

Nobody is stopping you from responding to a specific claim with data.

Actually all you did was make a general statement about a general claim. But whatever.

I simply read your source - in fact, a specific claim - and commented on it without contradicting you at all.

Any difficulty that arises out of that is yours alone.

Once again, see previous reference to 'you're welcome'.

alastair · 09-02-2020 05:04AM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Nobody is stopping you from responding to a specific claim with data.

Actually all you did was make a general statement about a general claim. But whatever.

I simply read your source - in fact, a specific claim - and commented on it without contradicting you at all.

Any difficulty that arises out of that is yours alone.

Once again, see previous reference to 'you're welcome'.

Not a general claim - a specific claim. Irish vs non-Irish. You then opted to wander off and highlight something for your own purposes (not a claim of your own, nor anyone else’s, let’s call it a red herring). As you’re entitled to, but it really has no bearing on the specific claim made, and corrected. So as we can see - there’s no difficulty other than you understanding the nature of the claim made, and responded to. Glad to help.

Lefty Bicek · 09-02-2020 05:11AM

alastair wrote: »

Not a general claim - a specific claim. Irish vs non-Irish. You then opted to wander off and highlight something for your own purposes. As you’re entitled to, but it really has no bearing on the claim made, and corrected. So as we can see - there’s no difficulty other than you understanding the nature of the claim made, and responded to. Glad to help.

So as we can see -

'Non-Irish'

is very general.

'Africans experiencing low employment rates of 45%'

is very specific. And enlightening.

Once again, you're welcome.

Morgans · 09-02-2020 08:06AM

alastair wrote: »

It’s evidenced by nothing more than your personal bias. Which is entirely unconvincing. Once again - those most likely to be interacting with larger numbers of immigrants voted remain.

Yes, by your words. Those with lived experience of interactions with immigrants do not find them damaging to society.

Those who have fewer interactions do and one of the main reasons for voting leave. The ignorant. I wonder what got them to believe it such a problem when those who interact with immigrants don't believe it to be so.

rgossip30 · 09-02-2020 08:36AM

Morgans wrote: »

Yes, by your words. Those with lived experience of interactions with immigrants do not find them damaging to society.

Those who have fewer interactions do and one of the main reasons for voting leave. The ignorant. I wonder what got them to believe it such a problem when those who interact with immigrants don't believe it to be so.

A general statement I have interacted with non EU migrants and disagree . My ex too used to deal with mostly asylum seekers and the scam stories were just ridiculous . You are aware that 90 of claims are rejected as false.

Morgans · 09-02-2020 09:00AM

rgossip30 wrote: »

A general statement I have interacted with non EU migrants and disagree . My ex too used to deal with mostly asylum seekers and the scam stories were just ridiculous . You are aware that 90 of claims are rejected as false.

Not my words. Alastair's.

Beasty · 09-02-2020 11:46AM

Lefty Bicek and alastair - cut out all this back and forwards on this immigration point if you wish to continue posting here

alastair · 09-02-2020 01:35PM

Interesting to see that immigration rated so low on polled voting motivations. It’s as if the routing of the ‘patriots’ and assorted far right candidates was reflective of their overwhelming lack of support here.

SporadicMan · 09-02-2020 01:41PM

Housing is a major concern while immigration is one of the lowest.

Shows how idiotic the general populace is if they can't see even a vague link between the two.

40% of the housing list is non-EU nationals.

alastair · 09-02-2020 01:44PM

SporadicMan wrote: »

Housing is a major concern while immigration is one of the lowest.

Shows how idiotic the general populace is if they can't see even a vague link between the two.

40% of the housing list is non-EU nationals.

Maybe the idiocy issue isn’t with the general populace? Ever considered that?

The Nal · 09-02-2020 02:13PM

The salty tears from the small world view right wing nutjobs is glorious to watch

FreeThePants · 09-02-2020 02:45PM

Well it looks like for some, it's back to a few more years of trying to hype up that big right wing/far right populist movement that is definitely going to come to Ireland any day now. Didn't happen thus time... Again.

Oh well, next time lads. Next time.

Dyr · 09-02-2020 02:54PM

SporadicMan wrote: »

Housing is a major concern while immigration is one of the lowest.

Shows how idiotic the general populace is if they can't see even a vague link between the two.

40% of the housing list is non-EU nationals.

The media won't touch that and there isnt a single a major party who's going to risk running that line, only the loony right. It might work for those sorts on the continent because the local variety here are all wall eyed loons

Interestingly SF have softened their cough big time on immigration. Took Bob Dylans advice on not needing weathermen to judge wind direction

Brian? · 09-02-2020 02:55PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Culture derived over thousands of years. Culture is the culture. It doesn't make sense to have 2 cultures side by side. Over time both cultures would meld to one culture. Like hundreds of years more. Then a lefty would hate it because it's considered one culture and would endeavor to split it once again.

I think I need some DMT to attempt to understand this logic.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-02-2020 03:11PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Culture derived over thousands of years. Culture is the culture. It doesn't make sense to have 2 cultures side by side. Over time both cultures would meld to one culture. Like hundreds of years more. Then a lefty would hate it because it's considered one culture and would endeavor to split it once again.

How are you defining culture..?

As it stands, this makes no sense - cultures are collective viewpoints and lifestyles and can evolve over much shorter time spans (urban culture) and there are different cultures existing side by side (urban culture, rural culture).

The mistake you appear to be making is in assuming culture MUST be based on nationality or history, which is pretty much first as you here a about different cultures all the time.

The Nal · 09-02-2020 04:01PM

FreeThePants wrote: »

Well it looks like for some, it's back to a few more years of trying to hype up that big right wing/far right populist movement that is definitely going to come to Ireland any day now. Didn't happen thus time... Again.

Oh well, next time lads. Next time.

The results this morning have put that "movement" back decades in this country.

Mad_maxx · 09-02-2020 04:47PM

SporadicMan wrote: »

Housing is a major concern while immigration is one of the lowest.

Shows how idiotic the general populace is if they can't see even a vague link between the two.

40% of the housing list is non-EU nationals.

The political and media class dismiss concerns about immigration within the context of housing, this leads to conditioning

alastair · 09-02-2020 04:53PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The political and media class dismiss concerns about immigration within the context of housing, this leads to conditioning

Suuure. ‘Conditioning’. Well known to work on the Irish electorate,

pjohnson · 09-02-2020 04:54PM

Right wing peoples champion Peter Casey failing hilariously in two constituencies.

I see sheep · 09-02-2020 05:08PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Right wing peoples champion Peter Casey failing hilariously in two constituencies.

You mean AH posters' champion surely :pac:

francois · 09-02-2020 05:36PM

Looks like the fash have been well and truly decimated by the electorate.
You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.

LuckyLloyd · 09-02-2020 05:39PM

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION

I'd love the weirdos on AH to understand this, but no doubt the immigrant bashing will continue apace.

I see sheep · 09-02-2020 05:45PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION

I'd love the weirdos on AH to understand this, but no doubt the immigrant bashing will continue apace.

Steady on, next you'll be telling them we don't care about social welfare recipients. :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-02-2020 07:08PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Right wing peoples champion Peter Casey failing hilariously in two constituencies.

Did not know yo ucould fight two constituencies in the same election... Sounds a bit dodgy to be honest.

francois wrote: »

Looks like the fash have been well and truly decimated by the electorate.
You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.

Forgive the ingorance, but... "the fash"?

PopePalpatine · 09-02-2020 08:29PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The political and media class dismiss concerns about immigration within the context of housing, this leads to conditioning

Uh-oh, did Mammy forget your chicken nuggets?

Eric Cartman · 09-02-2020 08:32PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The political and media class dismiss concerns about immigration within the context of housing, this leads to conditioning

Thats it, those lads can in hand singing 'come out ye black and tans' wont be so happy when they learn SF's free gafs are going to lads singing prayers a handful of times a day and not them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-02-2020 08:49PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats it, those lads can in hand singing 'come out ye black and tans' wont be so happy when they learn SF's free gafs are going to lads singing prayers a handful of times a day and not them.

Same thing: swear allegiance blindly to a social construct.

enricoh · 09-02-2020 09:14PM

SporadicMan wrote: »

Housing is a major concern while immigration is one of the lowest.

Shows how idiotic the general populace is if they can't see even a vague link between the two.

40% of the housing list is non-EU nationals.

What percentage of those voting yesterday would know that 40% figure? Zero I'd say! Ain't gonna hear much about it on mainstream media anyhow.

alastair · 09-02-2020 09:21PM

enricoh wrote: »

What percentage of those voting yesterday would know that 40% figure? Zero I'd say! Ain't gonna hear much about it on mainstream media anyhow.

40% share of nothing is not a compelling argument against immigration.

No right wing alternative= No alternative

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