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Calhoun · 05-02-2020 02:20AM

Remind me wrote: »

The majority of EU capitals ‘stood in solidarity’ with Ireland in relation to the border and constantly spoke out on this. We had visits to the border by various EU ministers and Barnier etc...

Unanimity is needed in the EU, All it would have taken was Poland, Hungary, Romania etc... to say ‘get over yourselves’ in terms of the backstop or a border and we’d have been up sh*t creek.

Not many people outside Ireland could really care about the border but EU leaders continually showed solidarity with us.

As i said above they had to for the sake of the union.

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 02:20AM

shenanagans wrote: »

No way. Can't see FF going in with SF.

If the numbers stack up for a coalition then it will happen. If SF manage over 24 seats then it will be all cards on the table. Brexit negotiations will become very important very soon. Time for the hurlers on the ditch to go down and play a bit of county hurling.

05-02-2020 02:21AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Fortunately they have only 42 candidates. Might get 25 seats. Won't put a govt together with that.

FF and FG have both stated REPEATEDLY they won't form a govt with SF. End of story.

People want change....then hopefully there'll be enough Labour/Greens to help put a govt together with FF or FG.

That would not be change

. Sure the Greens were with FF when they destroyed the country and Labour were the nodding dog when FG forced huge austerity on the taxpayer

Zetor19 · 05-02-2020 02:25AM

Calhoun, did anyone have a go at tanagan about the Black and Tans ? Sorry if that’s a bit rude as obviously the special needs is a real and sensitive and very important issue, just wondering what the locals think of the fool.

shenanagans · 05-02-2020 02:25AM

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That would not be change . Sure the Greens were with FF when they destroyed the country and Labour were the nodding dog when FG forced huge austerity on the taxpayer

Well people need to be realistic. SF won't put a govt together if they get 25 seats. Even if they got 30 seats.

Majority requires 81 I think.

If you ruling out FF/FG/Greens/Labour......what's left .....not 81 seats!!

Be realistic...please.

05-02-2020 02:28AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Well people need to be realistic. SF won't put a govt together if they get 25 seats. Even if they got 30 seats.

Majority requires 81 I think.

If you ruling out FF/FG/Greens/Labour......what's left .....not 81 seats!!

Be realistic...please.

Yeah i get that and your right. i just dont get how you have stated that if we want real change we'll get more of the same when the fact is we wont get change at all.

Suckit · 05-02-2020 02:29AM

I missed the last few minutes of the debate (I missed from 11:07PM onwards) but I can't wait to see what Leo said to 'win' this debate, because he wasn't close to winning before I left, and that was including after Mary Lou was asked about Paul Quinn.

Most people that may have decided to vote SF would be stupid not to have known their past, however, there may be a few younger voters that looked up that story and have changed since their minds.
It doesn't change the fact that it's putting FFFG back on the table for them, and realistically they know that neither are the solution, especially after 100 years of getting things done their way led us to where we are now.

The only other option for them is to vote Green (who helped FF destroy the country and would like to tax everything including air), Labour (Ditto but with FG) or Independent, which FF, FG and Labour would have you believe is a "wasted vote" because it might stop one of theirs getting in. It also assumes the Independents wouldn't join forces on certain issues to go against the them on those.
As it stands, my constituency has a decent Independent, Whom will get my number 1. But I may change that to number 2 in the following days. I wouldn't recommend anyone to listen to the Bullsh*t 'wasted vote' rhetoric anyway.

shenanagans · 05-02-2020 02:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah i get that and your right. i just dont get how you have stated that if we want real change we'll get more of the same when the fact is we wont get change at all.

Well for me a coalition like FF/Greens/Labour would mean a blend of their policies. Howlin has good policies....Greens would demand more on climate change, retrofitting etc, and like it or not FF/FG have the number of seat necessary to form a stable govt.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 02:33AM

Calhoun wrote: »

As i said above they had to for the sake of the union.

Completely disagree. EU has historically been very good to us but now we give a lot more money than what we get in return.

With UK gone France and Germany are starting to flex their muscle and we no longer have the buffer of the UK.

One of the main reasons the EU institutions showed such an interest in Ireland was fear of dissident activity.

Support in terms of the border, backstop etc... was not guaranteed but capitals did support us.

There is no danger to the union if there is a border on the island of Ireland.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 02:34AM

Zetor19 wrote: »

Calhoun, did anyone have a go at tanagan about the Black and Tans ? Sorry if that’s a bit rude as obviously the special needs is a real and sensitive and very important issue, just wondering what the locals think of the fool.

No i get why you would ask that, and being perfectly honest it was nearly like he was going to walk himself into something like that as he was spitting out high level figures.

Had there been a value spent on the RIC commemorations that would have been asked. They picked him apart on stuff like TD's getting a pay increase and the FAI getting an investment of 20 Million.

05-02-2020 02:35AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Well for me a coalition like FF/Greens/Labour would mean a blend of their policies. Howlin has good policies....Greens would demand more on climate change, retrofitting etc, and like it or not FF/FG have the number of seat necessary to form a stable govt.

Christ it wont for god sake. Have you learned anything from history?

It will be FG crippling the country and the others nodding the head.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 02:35AM

Remind me wrote: »

Completely disagree. EU has historically been very good to us but now we give a lot more money than what we get in return.

With UK gone France and Germany are starting to flex their muscle and we no longer have the buffer of the UK.

One of the main reasons the EU institutions showed such an interest in Ireland was fear of dissident activity.

Support in terms of the border, backstop etc... was not guaranteed but capitals did support us.

Well thats where we read it differently and thats fine i don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me.

We have to be good Union partners but at the same time we don't owe them anything other than that.

shenanagans · 05-02-2020 02:37AM

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Christ it wont for god sake. Have you learned anything from history? It will be FG crippling the country and the others nodding the head.

What do you think the next govt will look like so?

let's give SF 30 .....where the other 51 coming from?

Remind me · 05-02-2020 02:38AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Well thats where we read it differently and thats fine i don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me.

We have to be good Union partners but at the same time we don't owe them anything other than that.

In terms of give and take in the negotiations surely we will though? We get a lot of money on CAP and programmes like Erasmus plus and PEACE. This level of funding won’t continue so something has to give

05-02-2020 02:43AM

shenanagans wrote: »

What do you think the next govt will look like so?

let's give SF 30 .....where the other 51 coming from?

Why do you keep harping on about Sinn Fein??

Im not disagreeing with you that Sinn Fein wont have half enough seats and have no chance of governance, and frankly im not sure their policies are realistic, but i take exception to your comment that change will occur under an FG/Greens/Labour goverment. There is nothing to be optimistic about quite frankly. We are goosed in every scenario.

James Brown · 05-02-2020 02:45AM

shenanagans wrote: »

What do you think the next govt will look like so?

let's give SF 30 .....where the other 51 coming from?

FF, Lab, Greens. So FF.
Hopefully SF are main opposition.
Would prefer some rainbow effort with SD's, SF, Lab, Greens etc. Not likely though.

shenanagans · 05-02-2020 02:49AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That would not be change . Sure the Greens were with FF when they destroyed the country and Labour were the nodding dog when FG forced huge austerity on the taxpayer

Well from post above......I take it FF/greens/labour/FG are not a 'change' in your opinion.

So where does the change you want come from. Where does the change so many people want come from.... Realistically???

I'm just saying in my opinion......I can't see a govt formed without either FF or FG involved.....just based on the maths.....key number being 81.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 03:39AM

Watching the debate now, I cannot believe MLM did not answer the special criminal court again.

freshpopcorn · 05-02-2020 03:48AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Watching the debate now, I cannot believe MLM did not answer the special criminal court again.

I think her answer is basically they don't want it.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 03:48AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Watching the debate now, I cannot believe MLM did not answer the special criminal court again.

Yeah she looked flustered and amateurish. The Quinn question sent her in a spin as well. She really needs to be coached more on how to not answer a question while seeming like she answered it - a la Gerry in his pomp.
She also needs to learn her figures as well. Like the way Leo effortlessly throws them in.
Michael Martin only managed to come off looking good because Mary Lou did so badly. Leo did not even have to do anything special to look polished and confident.
I noticed Mary Lou also seemed to shoot herself in the foot, when she tried to goad MM with a mansplaining comment. I thought it was a deliberately sexist comment in order to play up to potential female voters.

Wanderer78 · 05-02-2020 03:58AM

So it really will be FG and ff topping the votes next week!

05-02-2020 04:00AM

shenanagans wrote: »

Well from post above......I take it FF/greens/labour/FG are not a 'change' in your opinion.

So where does the change you want come from. Where does the change so many people want come from.... Realistically???

I'm just saying in my opinion......I can't see a govt formed without either FF or FG involved.....just based on the maths.....key number being 81.

And im not disagreeing with this

Your right it will probably be a coalition with one of the top parties in charge. Fact is we wont get change and were never going to from the off. I'm not expecting any change.

To be honest, ive never been as disconsolate about the calibre of politician we have in the Dail as I am at the moment. The only policies i can actually get on board with at the moment is the nationalist parties and they are years off gaining any ground in the Dail. 2-5 seats for them would represent a huge achievement in this election

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 04:00AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think her answer is basically they don't want it.

She had to have known it was going to come up, even if she doesn't like it she should have answered it. She basically let them level a charge of being soft on crime without coming back and taking a stance and what she would do.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah she looked flustered and amateurish. The Quinn question sent her in a spin as well. She really needs to be coached more on how to not answer a question while seeming like she answered it - a la Gerry in his pomp.
She also needs to learn her figures as well. Like the way Leo effortlessly throws them in.
Michael Martin only managed to come off looking good because Mary Lou did so badly. Leo did not even have to do anything special to look polished and confident.
I noticed Mary Lou also seemed to shoot herself in the foot, when she tried to goad MM with a mansplaining comment. I thought it was a deliberately sexist comment in order to play up to potential female voters.

The mansplaining point is disgusting and essentially a low blow of someone who has not much else to say. It something they us in America to invalidate the opinion of men for being men. Its not like she didn't get a chance as I felt that MC moderated very well and kept them in line if they over stepped their bounds.

MM I would agree comes off well because of MLM but also because he had a good grasp of his figures as well.

Was funny when he dropped his papers lol.

gormdubhgorm · 05-02-2020 04:07AM

Calhoun wrote: »

She had to have known it was going to come up, even if she doesn't like it she should have answered it. She basically let them level a charge of being soft on crime without coming back and taking a stance and what she would do.

The mansplaining point is disgusting and essentially a low blow of someone who has not much else to say. It something they us in America to invalidate the opinion of men for being men. Its not like she didn't get a chance as I felt that MC moderated very well and kept them in line if they over stepped their bounds.

MM I would agree comes off well because of MLM but also because he had a good grasp of his figures as well.

Was funny when he dropped his papers lol.

Has anyone picked up on the mansplaining comment in the media?
Can you imagine if MM or Leo said 'good girl yourself' or 'that's women for ya' etc. There would be uproar.

You are right about the moderation they did a good job of keeping them in check - good flow.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 04:41AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Has anyone picked up on the mansplaining comment in the media?
Can you imagine if MM or Leo said 'good girl yourself' or 'that's women for ya' etc. There would be uproar.

You are right about the moderation they did a good job of keeping them in check - good flow.

The reason i call it out and where it might be a problem for SF is that they thrive in being the under dog, being counted out and not given a fair chance.

There was allot of that going on in this thread, people implying it would be 3 v 1 but it was fairly fair. Even the final questions before brexit was tailored to weak points in each of their parties/positions and she was the only one that seemed to fudge it and got caught up looking like she lied.

The questions asked on the special criminal court and on Quinn were asked before and she should have been able to answer them easily.

She also seemed to be the only one that resorted to the low blow tactics called out above.

I have allot of thinking to do before i vote.

derfderf · 05-02-2020 05:28AM

Calhoun wrote: »

The mansplaining point is disgusting and essentially a low blow of someone who has not much else to say. It something they us in America to invalidate the opinion of men for being men. Its not like she didn't get a chance as I felt that MC moderated very well and kept them in line if they over stepped their bounds.

MLM was the winner according to that UCD student. It was on American college campuses that that crap started in the first place, you'd be surprised/disappointed how well that will have went down with some people.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 05:31AM

derfderf wrote: »

MLM was the winner according to that UCD student. It was on American college campuses that that crap started in the first place, you'd be surprised/disappointed how well that will have went down with some people.

UCD student ? Doesn't seem to be received well from what I can see online.

zerosugarbuzz · 05-02-2020 05:31AM

Calhoun wrote: »

The reason i call it out and where it might be a problem for SF is that they thrive in being the under dog, being counted out and not given a fair chance.

There was allot of that going on in this thread, people implying it would be 3 v 1 but it was fairly fair. Even the final questions before brexit was tailored to weak points in each of their parties/positions and she was the only one that seemed to fudge it and got caught up looking like she lied.

The questions asked on the special criminal court and on Quinn were asked before and she should have been able to answer them easily.

She also seemed to be the only one that resorted to the low blow tactics called out above.

I have allot of thinking to do before i vote.

You are seriously clutching at straws here. In the tv3 debate Matt cooper said to Mary loo, “you’ve been making eyes at theses two boys for a long time now and they are not interested”. Or something like this. No one called that out either. Small small stuff.

NIMAN · 05-02-2020 06:00AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think her answer is basically they don't want it.

Well, its her bosses who don't want it.

05-02-2020 06:37AM

Missed this? Who would I read for a balanced view on how it went? (Journo on Twitter I’m thinking).

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