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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    You had them half quietened for him sure!;)

    Haha you overrate me. Thanks lad. I went in again tonight and caused havoc I was like Teresa May trying to push a deal! Bit of progress I think though all messing aside


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    High bike wrote: »
    well fcuk that anyway have a heifer in calf to him

    I’ve FIVE!! Jesus. Ai man recommended him if they’re hard calved he’ll hear all about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    High bike wrote: »
    well fcuk that anyway have a heifer in calf to him

    It's a new system, separate CD figures for bulls used on heifers and cows now. The figure is naturally going to be higher on heifers. You can't compare the new figures to the old ones.
    I don't understand why they needed to change it tho. The calving difficulty figure was one of the few things that was reasonably accurate from ICBF once a bull was used a bit.
    I've never used him but he seems to be grand on heifers from what i've heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Is see Knell is 7.5% calving difficulty on heifers on the updated ICBF. Still 1 star docility too

    I've 2, tidy heifers to make it better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 killiansully


    Who would be the best terminal sires.... not too hard calving?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    Who would be the best terminal sires.... not too hard calving?

    Gamin (ZGM) and Fiston (FSZ) are hard to beat for easy calving bulls.
    EBY, LM2014, Bivouac and Sicilien are very good bulls also i think.
    Lodge Hamlet would be another one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Who would be the best terminal sires.... not too hard calving?

    ZGH (Parthenaise) has left some very impressive animals here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    I remember a few lads here used mereside favouri. What kind of cows did they make or not!!!! I was contemplating using him. I have a granddaughter of his (culled the mother after putting her bed out) the heifer is fine and has a nice bag, but one isn’t a big enough sample.

    Also, I was planning on using fifty cent on some heifers and second calvers hoping for replacements....have anyone got cows out of him. Thanks Mac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I remember a few lads here used mereside favouri. What kind of cows did they make or not!!!! I was contemplating using him. I have a granddaughter of his (culled the mother after putting her bed out) the heifer is fine and has a nice bag, but one isn’t a big enough sample.

    Also, I was planning on using fifty cent on some heifers and second calvers hoping for replacements....have anyone got cows out of him. Thanks Mac
    I’ve a few coming to fifty cent hopefully too so I’ll be keen to hear any feedback as well. Had 2 bulls out of him 2 years ago. Great thriving cattle and docile but not mad quality


  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was going too use 50 cent in heifers but id a blue 3rd calver calved to sunny boy (50 cent half brother) and he was massive. Nearly the length of the jack. It was just bone, once the head and legs were out he was never under strain.

    Was going to try AHC on 2 year old lm heifer with not much muscle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    Mac Taylor wrote: »
    I remember a few lads here used mereside favouri. What kind of cows did they make or not!!!! I was contemplating using him. I have a granddaughter of his (culled the mother after putting her bed out) the heifer is fine and has a nice bag, but one isn’t a big enough sample.

    Also, I was planning on using fifty cent on some heifers and second calvers hoping for replacements....have anyone got cows out of him. Thanks Mac

    I have three cows cows off FZF here, they've all had three calves now. Good points are good calving ability, good length and frame, good fertility also.
    They lack a bit of milk tho, just about enough. He's not all that easy calved, calves are fairly big when born.
    He works best on smaller/medium sized cows with plenty of muscle to increase size and frame. Best used on cows with plenty of milk.
    He breeds really good bull calves also.

    I've used Fifty Cent on some second calvers. He's very easy calved, would be ok on strong heifers i'd say. I wouldn't be all that impressed with his calves tho, they can be very plain. You'd want to be using him on heifers/cows with plenty of muscle and shape i reckon. I can see his stars going down a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    DukeCaboom wrote: »
    I was going too use 50 cent in heifers but id a blue 3rd calver calved to sunny boy (50 cent half brother) and he was massive. Nearly the length of the jack. It was just bone, once the head and legs were out he was never under strain.

    Was going to try AHC on 2 year old lm heifer with not much muscle.

    Fifty Cent isn't half the bull Sunnyboy is in my opinion. Fifty cent is a lot easier calved, but not the quality of Sunnyboy calves.


  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tanko wrote: »
    Fifty Cent isn't half the bull Sunnyboy is in my opinion. Fifty cent is a lot easier calved, but not the quality of Sunnyboy calves.

    Never stopped growing.


  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DukeCaboom wrote: »
    Never stopped growing.

    Last week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Baalbec10


    How many fellas will be using the new progressive blue bull, new red s3502. I presume he has the red gene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    How many fellas will be using the new progressive blue bull, new red s3502. I presume he has the red gene.

    He has an S code so could be pricey


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭furandfeather


    I see k genetics will have a red blue as well in a couple of months.
    Done deal will be littered with "roan show calves"!


  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see k genetics will have a red blue as well in a couple of months.
    Done deal will be littered with "roan show calves"!

    You mean ***super roan show calves*** :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    How many fellas will be using the new progressive blue bull, new red s3502. I presume he has the red gene.

    Looks a bit short or if it just me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭furandfeather


    Doesn't matter sure they ll be roan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Any lads use Casimir 65 (LM2065)? What are his calves like? I see you can get Sexed Semen from Progressive so i might try him on a couple of cow this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,059 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Any lads use Casimir 65 (LM2065)? What are his calves like? I see you can get Sexed Semen from Progressive so i might try him on a couple of cow this year

    Saw a fine purebred heifer by him selling from the Roundhill herd before. Very big framey square heifer and very light in colour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Anyone had Loyal calves a bit tempermental? Ours here just gone 10 months & he's a bit fecking loolah. I'm putting it down to hormones & going to halter train him & see but it's the first calf I'm baffled by. He wasn't petted at all as a calf, then naturally came quiet about 6 weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭golodge


    On what type of cows it would be the best to use Lodge Hamlet? Is he good to calve for heifers? Has anyone kept his daughter for breeding, what about the milk?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    golodge wrote: »
    On what type of cows it would be the best to use Lodge Hamlet? Is he good to calve for heifers? Has anyone kept his daughter for breeding, what about the milk?

    Haven't used him but i'd think he'd work best on bigger cows cows that need a muscle injection. He's 3.5% for calving but might be best try him on second calvers first. He looks very poor for milk, those very muscly bulls usually are.

    He's €22/straw here. How much would he cost you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭golodge


    tanko wrote: »
    Haven't used him but i'd think he'd work best on bigger cows cows that need a muscle injection. He's 3.5% for calving but might be best try him on second calvers first. He looks very poor for milk, those very muscly bulls usually are.

    He's €22/straw here. How much would he cost you?
    He's around €10/straw here. Other bulls start at ~€2/straw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 killiansully


    Currently using tail paint here to try detect heats... any tips on using it or other methods? I seem to be failing here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,663 ✭✭✭tanko


    Currently using tail paint here to try detect heats... any tips on using it or other methods? I seem to be failing here

    I keep a couple of young bullocks with each group of cows, find them great for picking up cows in heat but that's in May and June when they have grass in their bellies and the sun on their backs (sometimes).
    Are your cows on slats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 killiansully


    Yes they are inside on conc the lad who slays
    tanko wrote: »
    I keep a couple of young bullocks with each group of cows, find them great for picking up cows in heat but that's in May and June when they have grass in their bellies and the sun on their backs (sometimes).
    Are your cows on slats?


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  • Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes they are inside on conc the lad who slays

    Would you coil them? Done a bit of ai here last year and found it as hard as a second calving season.


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