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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #5042
    Interested Observer
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    https://www.the42.ie/henshaw-omahony-ireland-wales-4991037-Feb2020/

    Give me strength.


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    #5043
    Clegg
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Mmm. Looked like Kearney Mark 2 to me. Never even looked like passing once. Could have tried something else once or twice even, eg, Stockdale.

    Never looked to pass except for the times he did.


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    #5044
    yerrahbah
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    https://www.the42.ie/henshaw-omahony-ireland-wales-4991037-Feb2020/

    Give me strength.

    Henshaw isn't that bad


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    #5045
    prawnsambo
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Henshaw isn't that bad
    He's not new and shiny though.


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    #5046
    Shefwedfan
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    https://www.the42.ie/henshaw-omahony-ireland-wales-4991037-Feb2020/

    Give me strength.

    If Farrell does start POM then I think he will start to lose huge sections of the fans after 2 games, win/lose/draw

    The back row of Stander, VDF, POM does not work and hasn’t in a long time. I don’t think I could stick another game watching it


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    #5047
    Bazzo
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    With Ringrose injured Aki Henshaw is the best centre combination.


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    #5048
    Shefwedfan
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Mmm. Looked like Kearney Mark 2 to me. Never even looked like passing once. Could have tried something else once or twice even, eg, Stockdale.

    Kearney is one of the most successful players ever in Irish rugby, I’m sure Larmour would love to retire with his medals and accolades


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    #5049
    Shefwedfan
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    With Ringrose is injured then Aki Henshaw is the best centre combination.

    Farrell and Aki/Henshaw would be better. Shoving a 12 into 13 doesn’t make sense. Especially in this fixture during the Grand Slam Farrell was MoM


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    #5050
    sydthebeat
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Never even looked like passing once. .

    you mean apart from the SEVEN times he passed ??


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    #5051
    prawnsambo
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    you mean apart from the SEVEN times he passed ??
    Yeah, but he never looked like passing.


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    #5052
    Faugheen
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Mmm. Looked like Kearney Mark 2 to me. Never even looked like passing once. Could have tried something else once or twice even, eg, Stockdale.

    Larmour passed the ball just under 1 out of every four times he touched it.

    Name one time a ball being passed would have put us in a better position than the one Larmour put us in.

    You don’t pass the ball for the sake of passing it. It’s the ultimate strawman argument.

    Larmour ran for more meters than any other full back this weekend. And he ran treble the amount of both England and Frances full-backs combined.

    If he wasn’t making meters there would be an argument to be had, but it just makes no sense to me that people think not passing for the sake of it is a bad thing. And the comparisons to Kearney? The vendetta some people here have against our most decorated player of all time is absolutely baffling.


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    #5053
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    you mean apart from the SEVEN times he passed ??

    He disguised them skillfully, making the passes even more effective. They were so good, some didnt notice that he made them at all.


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    #5054
    Granny15
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Larmour passed the ball just under 1 out of every four times he touched it.

    Name one time a ball being passed would have put us in a better position than the one Larmour put us in.

    You don’t pass the ball for the sake of passing it. It’s the ultimate strawman argument.

    Larmour ran for more meters than any other full back this weekend. And he ran treble the amount of both England and Frances full-backs combined.

    If he wasn’t making meters there would be an argument to be had, but it just makes no sense to me that people think not passing for the sake of it is a bad thing. And the comparisons to Kearney? The vendetta some people here have against our most decorated player of all time is absolutely baffling.

    Source and calculations please!

    Edit both the English and French fullbacks had mares so it’s not saying much


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    #5055
    Faugheen
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    Granny15 wrote: »
    Source and calculations please!

    Sure thing friend.

    Meters made:

    Larmour: 138
    Halfpenny: 107
    Minozzi: 85
    Hogg: 42
    Bouthier: 19
    Furbank: 19

    Source: https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard?date=20200201


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    #5056
    prawnsambo
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Sure thing friend.

    Meters made:

    Larmour: 138
    Halfpenny: 107
    Minozzi: 85
    Hogg: 42
    Bouthier: 19
    Furbank: 19

    Source: https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard?date=20200201
    The six nations website has even better stats than ESPN. Just in case you're interested.


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    #5057
    aloooof
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    The six nations website has even better stats than ESPN. Just in case you're interested.

    They seem to be wildly different between both sources, to the point I'm not sure which to believe. For example:

    Stander metres made:
    ESPN: 27m (off 14 carries).
    6N: 73m (off 17 carries).

    VdF tackles:
    ESPN: 15 (5 missed)
    6N: 15 (2 missed)

    Larmour passes:
    ESPN: 7
    6N: 3


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    #5058
    aloooof
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    Thisonedone wrote: »
    According to the 6 nations stats, Henderson didn’t win any line outs and had 1 stolen lineout, so they look bollox unless I’m reading it wrong

    I think the "Lineouts stolen" stat means how many that player turned over on the oppositions put-in. Henderson is down for 1, but my recollection is him affecting 2 turnovers; guess it depends how cleanly they were won.


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    #5059
    aloooof
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    For me, Larmour had a very good game. He's so dangerous from an attacking sense, we should be glad when we get the ball into his hands. But just to play devils advocate... for me, the biggest issue wasn't him not passing, but him not kicking.

    While he had the highest metres made of any fullback this weekend, he also had the lowest metres kicked (from the 6 Nations site. It's possible these may be taken with a pinch of salt, but I think the overall sentiment is accurate):

    | Metres | Metres kicked
    Larmour | 153 | 21
    Hogg | 60 | 154
    Halfpenny | 124 | 124
    Minozzi | 142 | 23
    Bouthier | 25 | 291
    Furbank | 31 | 107


    As far as I can recall, there was certainly one incident where the ball was kicked to him inside the 22 (no one had retreated quickly enough, so there was no one to pass to) and he decided to run it, almost completely isolating himself.

    He's plenty young to learn tho, and has huge potential. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more return kicking from him in remainder of the games. He's definitely done it before on attacking ball, when we shifted the point of the kick from Murray's box-kick so is well able.


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    #5060
    Clegg
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    ROG was on OTB earlier. He wants Earls at 13 playing outside Aki.

    Such an opinion should immediately discount him from ever having a job at a province.


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    #5061
    Shefwedfan
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    Clegg wrote: »
    ROG was on OTB earlier. He wants Earls at 13 playing outside Aki.

    Such an opinion should immediately discount him from ever having a job at a province.

    ROG out


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    #5062
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    This is an interesting interview. Lads did will, some tough and direct questions and they both gave good quality answers.

    Some entertaining body language throughout.



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    Clegg wrote: »
    ROG was on OTB earlier. He wants Earls at 13 playing outside Aki.

    Such an opinion should immediately discount him from ever having a job at a province.

    I couldn't believe he said that. I usually hang off ogaras every word. I almost think he was taking the piss.


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    #5064
    Burkie1203
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    Rumoured team does not inspire confidence. That backrow simply doesn't work.


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    #5065
    kilns
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    If that is the rumoured team it means that Farrell has learnt nothing or is unwilling to try things.

    yes it was important to get a first win and now that has been secured he should be willing improve the team not continue with the stagnation

    The two obvious players are:

    Murray is clearly playing off a reputation which we all hope will return but at the moment he is not the best 9 in the country and should not be playing

    POM I am sorry is a passenger and Wales will be delighted to see him playing as it is one less player their defence has to worry about


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    #5066
    Interested Observer
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Rumoured team does not inspire confidence. That backrow simply doesn't work.

    De-evolution not revolution.


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    #5067
    Faugheen
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    The problem here is the IRFU.

    Fans want change but unfortunately the IRFU budgets to finish at least third every year so it means Farrell has to resort to the tried and tested for the most part as he needs results immediately.


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    #5068
    kilns
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    The problem here is the IRFU.

    Fans want change but unfortunately the IRFU budgets to finish at least third every year so it means Farrell has to resort to the tried and tested for the most part as he needs results immediately.

    We may only be keyboard warriors but its obvious to us that replacing players like Murray and POM would improve the team, so therefore would give us a better chance of winning and finishing higher up the table. Maybe when you are under pressure and in the hot seat you do become conservative and go for what has been there before despite it being inferior


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    #5069
    aloooof
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    kilns wrote: »
    We may only be keyboard warriors but its obvious to us that replacing players like Murray and POM would improve the team, so therefore would give us a better chance of winning and finishing higher up the table. Maybe when you are under pressure and in the hot seat you do become conservative and go for what has been there before despite it being inferior

    Or, more likely imo, maybe he doesn't believe to be inferior? There's no way Farrell is willfully picking what he believes to be an inferior team.

    In any case, a lot of the journo's got it wrong last week, so it's probably worth just waiting til the announcement; it wouldn't surprise me if it differs from the rumoured team.


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    #5070
    arsebiscuits1
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    kilns wrote: »
    We may only be keyboard warriors but its obvious to us that replacing players like Murray and POM would improve the team, so therefore would give us a better chance of winning and finishing higher up the table. Maybe when you are under pressure and in the hot seat you do become conservative and go for what has been there before despite it being inferior

    Based on what?

    The other options play slightly better in a totally different set up at a lower level?

    I'm not saying they shouldn't be dropped but let's not get completely ahead of ourselves in the armchair coaching.

    Can you say with absolute supreme confidence that playing Deegan and Cooney will guarantee we play better?

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion but these absolutes with no basis on fact are a bit much


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    #5071
    Former Former
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    Was there ever any chance of certain people giving Farrell a fair shake?

    It would appear not.


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