new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-02-2020 12:53PM

There was some debate yesterday in one of the newspaper about Dettol being of use, they had listed 'all Human CoV's' on the 100% effective label,
but folks argued a random mutant snake-bat flu virus might be more susceptible to success.

Again, better than nothing (as with everything).

Still like the idea of a UVC wand/torch that is contact free, good for 100,000hrs, and should cause enough damage to DNA/RNA of any virus.
Hence not a good idea to hang about in space without a space suit (besides the vacum factor), or ever use a sunbed.

If the aul batflu keeps spreading, then it's time for natural immunity boosters.
Various options, Zinc & C is the handiest perhaps.

OMM 0000 · 01-02-2020 01:27PM

I think China might be downplaying the number of infected in Hubei.

Here's why:

259 deaths in total

96% of those deaths are in Hubei.

0 deaths outside China.

Why so few deaths outside Hubei?

Why no deaths outside China?

I think it's because Hubei has a huge number of infected people, hence why large parts of it were shut down by the Chinese government. But the Chinese government are trying to hide the real number to prevent panic.

So that means the virus isn't actually that lethal (as almost no deaths outside Hubei).

The issue is Hubei has a huge number of sick people, hence a lot of deaths.

Do you know what I mean?

Somedaythefire · 01-02-2020 01:28PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

There was some debate yesterday in one of the newspaper about Dettol being of use, they had listed 'all Human CoV's' on the 100% effective label,
but folks argued a random mutant snake-bat flu virus might be more susceptible to success.

Again, better than nothing (as with everything).

Still like the idea of a UVC wand/torch that is contact free, good for 100,000hrs, and should cause enough damage to DNA/RNA of any virus.
Hence not a good idea to hang about in space without a space suit (besides the vacum factor), or ever use a sunbed.

If the aul batflu keeps spreading, then it's time for natural immunity boosters.
Various options, Zinc & C is the handiest perhaps.

Dunno about that but there is a strain of corona virus that is called the human corona virus. It causes the common cold.

01-02-2020 01:30PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

There was some debate yesterday in one of the newspaper about Dettol being of use, they had listed 'all Human CoV's' on the 100% effective label,
but folks argued a random mutant snake-bat flu virus might be more susceptible to success.

Again, better than nothing (as with everything).

Still like the idea of a UVC wand/torch that is contact free, good for 100,000hrs, and should cause enough damage to DNA/RNA of any virus.
Hence not a good idea to hang about in space without a space suit (besides the vacum factor), or ever use a sunbed.

If the aul batflu keeps spreading, then it's time for natural immunity boosters.
Various options, Zinc & C is the handiest perhaps.

Dude what do you be on about at times, is it sarcasm like I'm presuming so, but it occassionally feels not fully simin confuses me:D

Van you color code you sarcastic points please:)

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-02-2020 01:39PM

GPs are being issued with full gowns and facemasks to be used in the event of coronavirus being spread here.

I wonder if there is a protocol for longer term prescriptions for long term meds in this situation? A lot of people need to visit a GP every month to renew prescriptions for chronic or permanent conditions. Sometimes it's pretty much a rubber stamping deal, without actual consultation involved. It would be best not to need to risk exposure to this virus by needing to drop into a surgery in such a scenario.

Call Me Jimmy · 01-02-2020 01:41PM

Not long before the internet gets turned off in the worst places in Hubei to avoid 'panic' and 'rumours' imo.

VinLieger · 01-02-2020 01:46PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Not long before the internet gets turned off in the worst places in Hubei to avoid 'panic' and 'rumours' imo.

Access already being limited by CCP or so some are saying

Call Me Jimmy · 01-02-2020 01:58PM

I thought it was agreed for the WHO to get access, haven't heard anything since? (Not really surprised, just wondering what the official justification is?)

Smiles35 · 01-02-2020 01:58PM

Lets all go to Baidu.com and distract some secret service away from the citizens.

Call Me Jimmy · 01-02-2020 01:59PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Access already being limited by CCP or so some are saying

Limited to an even smaller subset of sites you mean? Or just more harshly censoring within apps?

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-02-2020 02:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dude what do you be on about .... not fully simin confuses me...Van you color code you sarcastic points please:)

fully simin? color? van you?
= you are Confused.com

Anyway... back at the ranch...

Apple has closed all it's Chinese stores, Starbucks (or some other major coffee chain) closed 2,000 last week. The Chinese economy is set for a major tumble.
Likely March before anything has a chance of returing to normality, and even then, could get worse.

little bess · 01-02-2020 02:10PM

I’m wondering about supplies that come from China, could there be shortages in the coming weeks? I know my medication is manufactured there, I’m thinking of getting several months supplies if I can, or am I being too worried here?!

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-02-2020 02:12PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed that the Global media are not focusing on People who have recovered from the virus outside of China like Patients in Japan and Canada?
You would swear they don’t want you to know that people recover.

You're forgetting this has been present since early December in China, hence the timeline for fatalities will affect numbers there (where 98% of all cases are, and have been for many weeks).

Compare this to the new cases that have (very recently) appeared everywhere else in the world. Any numbers of recovery are so small, a handful of unknown profiles. Its simply too early to draw any conclusions like that.

VinLieger · 01-02-2020 02:28PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Limited to an even smaller subset of sites you mean? Or just more harshly censoring within apps?

From what ive read limiting access to specific sites and apps completely, nothing properly confirmed though

creditcarder · 01-02-2020 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Vietnam has banned flights/visas from China, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. I actually looked into a break in Taiwan for this time off work. Glad I'm not there now.

Perhaps it's time to get international health insurance? I'd be picking the international hospitals over the local ones if you catch it tbh.

01-02-2020 03:24PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Perhaps it's time to get international health insurance? I'd be picking the international hospitals over the local ones if you catch it tbh.

I have insurance but I'd go to one of the cheaper ones I like that doesn't require it.

Went shopping for masks and hand wash for work next week. Everything sold out so this is all I could find. Bought eight 30mg codeine as well in case I get a fever.

I'm gonna be so cute.

GooglePlus · 01-02-2020 04:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have insurance but I'd go to one of the cheaper ones I like that doesn't require it.

Went shopping for masks and hand wash for work next week. Everything sold out so this is all I could find. Bought eight 30mg codeine as well in case I get a fever.

I'm gonna be so cute.

Can you get 30mg codeine over the counter over there and is it just codeine or codeine with another painkiller?

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-02-2020 04:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have insurance but I'd go to one of the cheaper ones I like that doesn't require it.

Went shopping for masks and hand wash for work next week. Everything sold out so this is all I could find. Bought eight 30mg codeine as well in case I get a fever.

I'm gonna be so cute.

Go to a hardware store for a mask. You can get FFP3 rated masks there. This is the same standard that is recommended for use in hospitals.

ardinn · 01-02-2020 04:06PM

So whats everyones doomsday plan?

I went to the chemist and got an extra inhaler -- asthma wont benefit me much if I get hit with this - bought anti inflammatory's as id read that's a good idea - some aspirin, cold medicine, vitimans as I never take them but I presume it can only be a good thing to start now!

We have a shop so plenty of bottled water in stock should we need it - plenty of dettol for general cleaning, food wont be an issue really, have a huge amount of frozen foods in 2 chest freezers.

I see gas masks on ebay etc - anyone done that? Overkill?

What way are you all set up (if at all) and have you any practical advice people may have missed.

01-02-2020 04:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Can you get 30mg codeine over the counter over there and is it just codeine or codeine with another painkiller?

Over the counter. 500mg paracetamol 30mg codeine. Gold when you're sick or have a particularly bad hangover. But it is abused. Eight of them were €3.20. The cheap version about a quarter of that.

Canonfan · 01-02-2020 04:22PM

Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.

Fr_Dougal · 01-02-2020 04:25PM

Canonfan wrote: »

Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.

What is the death rate? Of the 500 or so resolved cases for the Coronavirus the survival rate is 50% approximately.

01-02-2020 04:29PM

Canonfan wrote: »

Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.

If no measures were taken, any of the pandemic viruses would be much worse. Spanish flu for example.

It's like Y2K. People believing it was over-hyped.

Drumpot · 01-02-2020 04:30PM

Canonfan wrote: »

Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.

Is that nkt just the normal flu that kills people every year? I thought the point of the article was to just state that we take normal flu for granted and it’s spreading like it always does every year in USA.

wakka12 · 01-02-2020 04:38PM

Canonfan wrote: »

Slightly off topic here, i just read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/30/health/flu-deadly-virus-15-million-infected-trnd/index.html

A deadly virus is spreading from state to state and has infected 19 million Americans and killing 10000 so far, but why no coverage? Surely it is more deadly than Wuhan virus.

These comparisons are so stupid though. Yes flu kills people. But coronavirus has thus far been limited mostly to one city where it has killed 250 people and hospitalised over 1000 in that city in two weeks. Based on current estimates, if 19 million americans were infected with coronavirus it would kill about 300,000 rather than 10,000 with several millions hospitalised which could collapse the healthcare infrastructure so thats why it is getting coverage and flu is not , and why China is locking down cities with populations in the tens of millions and does not do the same for flu. It is why this is a global health emergency and flu is not. Theres no reason to panic in Ireland, but the other extreme is saying that this is like the flu. For many of us, in good health, if we get the virus it will feel similar to flu, probably mild, but when this virus is considered at a national/worldwide scale it has the potential to have enormously negative impact on healthcare and economic infrastructure globally and will likely result in great social unrest especially in the developing world as they will inevitably struggle to cope with the number of sick.

01-02-2020 04:59PM

Also with Influenza, vaccination is available. I get the vaccine annually, not alone does it help prevent getting the infection but if you do it cuts it short into a brief 36 hour fever with a dry cough that disappears within 4 days.

In 2018 I got the vaccination later than I usually do, and 8 days later was travelling via Qatar when I had a close encounter with a man who looked dreadfully I well and was coughing. About 36 hours later I suddenly went down with what I believe to have been Influenza recognised from rare past occasions.Took to the bed shivering and shaking with mother of headaches, bone pains, dry cough. Thought I was in for a two to three week illness, when after 20 hours in bed I quite dramatically began to start feeling better. After 36 hours I was completely back to normal but for a dry cough that faded over the next days. I checked the influenza reporting website and saw that there was a concentration in Qatar and UAE. Was so very thankful to have had the vaccine which must likely in this case enabled me to be back in my feet in no time. I could see how the vaccine is a real life-saver to those who would be especially vulnerable to life-threatening complications. I started getting the vaccine at a time in the past when I was in immune-suppressive medication, but seeing how it kept me free from the very nasty bite of influenza over the years I made a habit of always getting it.

We are a long way from getting a vaccine for any Coronavirus, most especially because the usual target for vaccines is not to be found on this group of viruses

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-02-2020 05:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What is the death rate? Of the 500 or so resolved cases for the Coronavirus the survival rate is 50% approximately.

I've read the death rate is 2%, or 27% without significant medical intervention. You are saying that that is of all detected infections and not just the resolved cases. I find this alarming - would you please provide your source?

cloudatlas · 01-02-2020 05:10PM

ardinn wrote: »

So whats everyones doomsday plan?

I went to the chemist and got an extra inhaler -- asthma wont benefit me much if I get hit with this - bought anti inflammatory's as id read that's a good idea - some aspirin, cold medicine, vitimans as I never take them but I presume it can only be a good thing to start now!

We have a shop so plenty of bottled water in stock should we need it - plenty of dettol for general cleaning, food wont be an issue really, have a huge amount of frozen foods in 2 chest freezers.

I see gas masks on ebay etc - anyone done that? Overkill?

What way are you all set up (if at all) and have you any practical advice people may have missed.

If the power goes out you'll have to use candles and the frozen food will have spoiled, factor in people starting to loot and set fire to the local stores, if I were you i'd buy an extra power generator and a spare pair of pants.

wakka12 · 01-02-2020 05:11PM

The mortality rate is not 50%, obviously.Calculating it that way is just pointless and its why its not used as a means of calculating the deathr ate, you cant really calculate it properly until the epidemic is controlled or ends, SARS mortality rate was not agreed upon until after cases had stopped occurring. It also varied greatly by country, Nearly 20% death rate in Canada and Hong Kong, just 6% in china

Call Me Jimmy · 01-02-2020 05:14PM

How can you calculate the death rate in this amount of time with figures that (at least inside Hubei) are complete bunk.

Have experts outside China even speculated about the death rate?

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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