new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

cameramonkey

The infected figure is hugely under estimated. There will be thousands of people sitting at home either too frightened to go to hospital or not ill enough. There will be people who have the virus that are hardly showing any symptoms. Those in hospital and that have been tested will be the really chronic cases many will have other health issues and compromised immune systems.
This means that the death to infection ratio is not accurate unless there are hundreds of people dead that we don't know about.

fritzelly

bilston wrote: »

Had thought this myself that there is probably a limit to the number of cases that confirmed everyday.

The infected figure could be anything.

I assume the fatality figure is probably more accurate.

The videos coming out of China indicate the fatalities are nowhere near the real figure. For example pneumonia even tho it's a consequence of the virus then you are not included in the figures since the virus is not considered the cause
Like the flu, 54 people died from it last year in China whereas in the US something like 600 00 died so go figure

Varik

Problem with the US barring people is where they're barred.

Are they being denied entry to the planes or are they sitting in a confined space with a few hundred others for hours before being sent back.

cameramonkey

fritzelly wrote: »

The videos coming out of China indicate the fatalities are nowhere near the real figure. For example pneumonia even tho it's a consequence of the virus then you are not included in the figures since the virus is not considered the cause
Like the flu, 54 people died from it last year in China whereas in the US something like 600 00 died so go figure

What videos are these?

Nijmegen

Varik wrote: »

Problem with the US barring people is where they're barred.

Are they being denied entry to the planes or are they sitting in a confined space with a few hundred others for hours before being sent back.

I imagine airlines will start asking before people get on the plane.

theguzman

Nijmegen wrote: »

I imagine airlines will start asking before people get on the plane.

Presumably when they scan your passport the fact you entered or exited china is stored on that RFID Chip plus the physical stamp also.

SeaBreezes

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

The wealther is largely irrelevant, when e.g. folks have a fish market that has a wet mix of alive/dead/skinned/sick/bloody animals, mammals and reptiles of any and every type dripping their bits, forming a germpool basin for folks to stick their fingers into for a taste.

Same goes for other countries getting intimate with donkeys/camels/monkeys and what have ye.

Nothing to do with the National Microbiology Lab 7 miles from the market?

Indian labs saying it is a bio-engineered virus as it has hallmarks of AIDS virus too? They fricking went and made a SARS/AIDS virus..

Videos mainly on twitter. This account keeps track of a lot. Scary stuff.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dailydigger19

So, 9,000 affected, spreads like the flu 200 deaths and 200 recoveries. What about the other 8,600 people? Still fighting it? Does that mean if you are chronic enough for hospitalisation it's a 50/50 chance?

35 million people in 3 cities quarantined. Russia shut its borders. China scrambling. People dropping dead in the street and quarantined and locked in their houses.

We definitely don't know the full story. They are terrified.

Kermit.de.frog

China threatening anyone who posts negative commentary on the coronavirus through the media or online with up to seven years in jail.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xykx/you-can-now-go-to-jail-in-china-for-criticizing-beijings-coronavirus-response

Kermit.de.frog

Drones on the look out...

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1223218977570078721

wakka12

2100 more cases in China and 46 more deaths today
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/?I-canz-submit

Larbre34

fritzelly wrote: »

Like the flu, 54 people died from it last year in China whereas in the US something like 600 00 died so go figure

120 died in Ireland, population 5 million.

54 died in China, population >1 billion.

Right oh.

I've been to China, I have chinese in-laws and the structural capacity of the authorities there to talk utter bullshyte and control pretty much everyone and everything around the lies knows no bounds.

I would conservatively estimate the real figures for Coronavirus in China are higher by a factor of hundreds. They now admit 260 deaths, but from what I've heard from sources in Shanghai, its actually in the tens of thousands.

4068ac1elhodqr

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Nothing to do with the National Microbiology Lab 7 miles from the market?

A city bigger than London, might well have a lab or two about the place

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Indian labs saying...

Source? (Other than 'some lad in a white overall, via twitter/fbook video thing)

SeaBreezes wrote: »

They fricking went and made a ...

Sure they did.

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Videos mainly on twitter.

Ah-ha. Ok, it must be so.

SeaBreezes wrote: »

So, 9,000 affected,

Well about 11,374 official at the last count (as expected) based on previous day(s) increases.

Yes, it's a big deal, and some humour might help, and it's good to keep an open mind at this early stage, and there are various possibilities with some slight validity. But random bits of it's '100% definitely' this or it's 'definitely' that, is edging straight towards the CT section.

Larbre34

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Well about 11,374 official at the last count (as expected) based on previous day(s) increases.

China wide, that figure really now exceeds 1 million.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1223262730506964992




Me thinks China knows exactly what this is and where it came from.

SeaBreezes

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

A city bigger than London, might well have a lab or two about the place

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.


A lab recently upgraded to study the Coronavirus? Near the market? Very co-incidental.:. But of COURSE it was the market.. nothing to see here move along..

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

Kermit.de.frog

Look how quickly they moved to quarantine cities. Makes you think they knew exactly what this is and they panicked.

The suspicion is increasing, despite the Chinese propaganda, that it's an escaped bio weapon.

A bit too much coincidence tbf.

4068ac1elhodqr

SeaBreezes wrote: »

A laboratory in Wuhan...

Most major cities in the world with 8m+ folks will have a lab near at hand, and will be studying some pretty nasty stuff by default.
Good to keep an open mind, but very early stage speculaiton isn't hard proof nor fact because someone on the twitterbot said it was.

If you wanted to run with a more plausable CT, that had massive penetration levels, then that might be the (problem-reaction-soloution) nature of a future 'vax' against this very snake-bat flu thing.

The biggest risk with this as per any novell virus (like previous SARS/MERS or even SpaFlu of 100yrs ago) is the 2nd wave mutation risk.

SeaBreezes

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Most major cities in the world with 8m+ folks will have a lab near at hand, and will be studying some pretty nasty stuff by default.
Good to keep an open mind, but very early stage speculaiton isn't hard proof nor fact because someone on the twitterbot said it .

More speculation:

A federal court has reportedly unsealed a shocking set of indictments implicating Charles Lieber, the head of Harvard University‘s chemistry department, as well as two Chinese nationals, for smuggling “biological material” into China and later lying about it.

Lieber was reportedly paid $50,000 per month by the Wuhan University of Technology – Wuhan being where the current coronavirus global health emergency began – to participate in its so-called “Thousand Talents Program.” He was also paid more than $1.5 million to create a laboratory and conduct “research” at the school.

As it turns out, Lieber was a “strategic scientist” at Wuhan University for “significant periods” between 2012 and 2017, for which he was paid not just $50,000 per month as a salary, but also $150,000 for “living expenses” on top of that. The Chinese government also paid Lieber millions to help it create what now appears to have been some kind of bioweapons research lab.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-31-harvard-professor-arrested-conspiring-chinese-spies-smuggle-biological-material-china.html

Stark

Ah jasus. Don't go posting anything from natural news. Nothing but bull**** of the highest order on that site.

SeaBreezes

Videos of public officials spraying streets in Wuhan here:

https://coronavirusleaks.com/page/4/

bb12

interesting...

She also forbid Lieber from contacting institutions in China including Peking University, the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Wuhan University of Technology.

“There was a significant amount of money paid Mr. Lieber from a foreign country and part of the money was paid in cash,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Benjamin Tolkoff told Bowler.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-30/u-s-says-arrested-harvard-professor-can-be-released-on-bail

Kermit.de.frog

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SeaBreezes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Look how quickly they moved to quarantine cities. Makes you think they knew exactly what this is and they panicked.

The suspicion is increasing, despite the Chinese propaganda, that it's an escaped bio weapon.

A bit too much coincidence tbf.

More coincidence:

Dr. Peng Zhou (周鹏), Ph.D., a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Leader of the Bat Virus Infection and Immunization Group.

His primary field of study is researching how and why bats can be infected with some of the most nightmarish viruses in the world including Ebola, SARS and Coronavirus, and not get sick.

s part of his studies, Peng also researched mutant Coronavirus strains that overcame the natural immunity of some bats; these are "superbug" Coronavirus strains, which are not resistant to any natural immune pathway, and now appear to be out in the wild

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/washington-coronavirus-study-nejm/index.html

It seems the symptoms are quite different from the typical respiratory viruses, in that the virus/immune response affects the digestive tract in addition to respiratory tract, with vomiting and diarrhoea thrown in with the influenza-like symptoms. Yes, influenza can indeed cause a single bout of vomiting as the fever sets in, but it is not recurrent and diarrhoea is not a feature unless you have a tendency to IBD or IBS anyway.

ceadaoin.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/washington-coronavirus-study-nejm/index.html

It seems the symptoms are quite different from the typical respiratory viruses, in that the virus/immune response affects the digestive tract in addition to respiratory tract, with vomiting and diarrhoea thrown in with the influenza-like symptoms. Yes, influenza can indeed cause a single bout of vomiting as the fever sets in, but it is not recurrent and diarrhoea is not a feature unless you have a tendency to IBD or IBS anyway.

This makes me wonder if this hasn't been already going around other countries since late last year. I had what felt like the worst cold I can remember around christmas, complete with diarrhea which I thought was weird. It didnt feel like a flu though. Breathing was painful and the fatigue lasted a long while after. Didnt go to the doctor though. I wonder have they considered that it may have already spread outside China much earlier than currently thought.

Stark

Who knows. Coronaviruses in general are extremely common, causing something like 10% to 30% of "common colds". So possible you caught something closely related.

I was also intensely sick a month or so ago but it only lasted around four days and some tiredness afterwards. It was doing the rounds here.

s7ryf3925pivug

Two people have tested positive in Britain.

VinLieger

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Two people have tested positive in Britain.

Yup that was yesterday, they were already suspected a couple of days ago and are now isolated in Newcastle

Quantum Erasure

VinLieger wrote: »

and are now isolated in Newcastle

it just goes from bad to worse, doesn't it?