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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #4802
    DelBoy Trotter
    Registered Users Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭DelBoy Trotter


    For those of you who don't venture into the Bargain Alerts forum....Elverys are selling the current Irish jersey for 35 quid at the moment


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    #4803
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    DelBoy Trotter wrote: »
    For those of you who don't venture into the Bargain Alerts forum....Elverys are selling the current Irish jersey for 35 quid at the moment

    I think it’s the phone jersey? Can’t bring myself to buy a phone jersey.
    Did you see the RWC one on sale?


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    #4804
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Just put all the stats from this article together:

    | VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
    Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
    Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
    Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
    Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
    Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
    Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
    Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
    Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
    Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
    Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
    Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
    Try Assists | | |4 | |
    Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11


    Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

    It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.


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    #4805
    [Deleted User]
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    Scotland have named their team:

    Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg (c), 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sam Johnson, 11 Blair Kinghorn, 10 Adam Hastings, 9 Ali Price, 8 Nick Haining, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Scott Cummings, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Rory Sutherland

    Replacements: 16 Stuart McInally, 17 Allan Dell, 18 Simon Berghan, 19 Ben Toolis, 20 Cornell du Preez, 21 George Horne, 22 Rory Hutchinson, 23 Chris Harris


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    #4806
    typhoony
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I know very little about their NO.8 but it appears he's a bit of a journeyman from the Southern Hemisphere. hasn't played much at a top level. doesn't look the strongest Scotland team we've faced.

    Good for Doris to be coming up against a newcomer not a Vunipola


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    #4807
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm going to go with a conservative 47 - 10 to Ireland.

    We will dominate the scrum for 80 minutes and they have Edinburgh's third choice 8 at the back which means even their own put in's could end up messy.

    Their 10 and 12 channel are vulnerable.

    They've some real unknowns coming off the bench.

    They've one of the best back three's in the tournament on paper but they'll need to find scores from counter attacking rugby because I don't see that pack having any parity against ours.

    Big question whether Townsend has the dressing room. He has the look of someone who is awaiting the inevitable and probably would be glad to get out of Scottish rugby for a while.


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    #4808
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Sexton is absolutely, 100% targeted. Yes he brings the ball to the line, just opening himself up to it, but there is many a slightly late hit where the tackler would have pulled out had it not been Sexton carrying the ball. That's just how it is.

    Every half decent 10 or 9 is targeted. They handle the ball the most and direct a teams play so of course the opposition tries to rattle them. It's not just Sexton.


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    #4809
    Tomtom364
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    aloooof wrote: »
    Just put all the stats from this article together:

    | VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
    Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
    Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
    Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
    Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
    Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
    Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
    Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
    Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
    Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
    Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
    Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
    Try Assists | | |4 | |
    Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11


    Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

    It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

    Nonsense stats.
    CJ Stander dosn't know how to pass...


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    #4810
    typhoony
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Every half decent 10 or 9 is targeted. They handle the ball the most and direct a teams play so of course the opposition tries to rattle them. It's not just Sexton.

    the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.


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    #4811
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    typhoony wrote: »
    the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.

    This isn't the impression I have for 9, at least; Schmidt was regularly criticised for only giving the backup 9's a cursory 5 minutes at the end.

    With regards 10, Sexton came off early against Scotland in last years 6 Nations, but other than that, I'm struggling to think of the next most recent game where he was subbed of early.


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    #4812
    yerrahbah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    aloooof wrote: »
    Just put all the stats from this article together:

    | VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
    Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
    Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
    Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
    Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
    Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
    Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
    Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
    Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
    Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
    Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
    Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
    Try Assists | | |4 | |
    Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11


    Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

    It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.


    https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1104835501046026243


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    #4813
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Fear not lads

    D'Arcy has had coffee with Andy.

    "I’ve had a coffee with the new Ireland coach. The intensity people speak about is real. He commands respect. The players will trust his initial ideas. Farrell is not a great coach yet. That can only come with results as the number one. But the necessary character traits are evident.

    What will make Farrell a success as Ireland head coach is delivering on all the small conversations he has had with players. And empowering them when he says he will. That’s how you get professional athletes to deliver for a team."

    Slam is in the bag.

    & i forgot. He names his teams early.
    So the WC and all is wrapped up.


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    #4814
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Is anybody open to entertaining the idea that Scotland could win?


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    #4815
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Not a chance.
    Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
    27 v 3 in WC
    13 v 22 in 6N

    30+ v 7? 10 maybe


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    #4816
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Not a chance.
    Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
    27 v 3 in WC
    13 v 22 in 6N

    30+ v 7? 10 maybe

    No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?


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    #4817
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

    scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets


    so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them


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    #4818
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

    Not a chance

    Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
    Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

    Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on


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    #4819
    [Deleted User]
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    We're gonna win the world cup


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    #4820
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Not a chance

    Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
    Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.
    Joe used pick the team on Tuesdays. He just wouldn't release it until Thursday (for Saturday games). That's been well known for ages. And why the selection would inevitably leak.


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    #4821
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets


    so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them

    And what do they think the handicap will come in at?


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    #4822
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    And what do they think the handicap will come in at?

    -13 to Ireland.


    Which I think we will cover


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    #4823
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Not a chance

    Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
    Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

    Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on

    Joe names the team on Tuesday and didn’t want it released

    Problem was come Wednesday every paper had the team and would announce it anyway, became a bit pointless but he stuck to his guns on it

    The only benefit they are saying is players won’t have to hide it but based on the speed the media got the team I don’t think many ever hide it


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    #4824
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Not a chance.
    Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
    27 v 3 in WC
    13 v 22 in 6N

    30+ v 7? 10 maybe

    I haven’t seen such confidence since before the Japan game

    I think I seen posts on here about AIL teams beating Japan.....


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    #4825
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Scotland have only beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 20 years. They have been in far better places than now in that time span. It’s Rugby of course there’s a chance they can win, it’s just a very slim one. The bigger question is what type of performance we put in.


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    #4826
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Former Former wrote: »
    He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.


    Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.


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    #4827
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,384 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

    Profound. Empowering.

    Thank you.


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    #4828
    typhoony
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Former Former wrote: »
    He didn't really though. He was more talking about the lack of a really physical hard edge in the pack, about not taking a backward step more than going out trying to be dirty.

    He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

    But the game has changed in the last 10 years, he gave the current South African team as an example, I think it's more their size and power that's makes them intimidating not the dog mentality. the dogs get fined these days.


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    #4829
    Hands Like Flippers
    Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

    #stunningandbrave


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    #4830
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

    Naw, it’s about results.


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    #4831
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    -13 to Ireland.


    Which I think we will cover

    Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

    One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

    Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.


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