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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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Continued from here
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057953711/251
All Ireland Senior XV related talk here.

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sydthebeat

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

Last time these sides met Ireland won by 24 points.
Ireland are at home. Scotland are without their best player and talisman at 10.

I think the bookies have it about right, and as I said, I think we will cover it

lawrencesummers

sydthebeat wrote: »

-13 to Ireland.

Which I think we will cover

Early sexton injury, Murray plays poorly, debutant at 8 gets put under pressure, bungee gets another card, line out malfunctions.

One or a combination of the above and Scotland playing like it’s the second half against England all over again.

Plenty of overconfidence here for a side whose last outing was a complete pasting.

lawrencesummers

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

Naw, it’s about results.

Hands Like Flippers

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

#stunningandbrave

typhoony

Former Former wrote: »

He didn't really though. He was more talking about the lack of a really physical hard edge in the pack, about not taking a backward step more than going out trying to be dirty.

He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

But the game has changed in the last 10 years, he gave the current South African team as an example, I think it's more their size and power that's makes them intimidating not the dog mentality. the dogs get fined these days.

awec

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

Profound. Empowering.

Thank you.

The Rape of Lucretia

Former Former wrote: »

He cited O'Brien and Leamy as the sort of guys that he played with who had the mean streak that he thinks is lacking. I think he's right to be honest.

Success without integrity means nothing. Your meanness doesnt make you a better man. Your behavior does. Integrity is how you behave when there’s nothing to be gained. We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.

stephen_n

Scotland have only beaten Ireland 3 times in the last 20 years. They have been in far better places than now in that time span. It’s Rugby of course there’s a chance they can win, it’s just a very slim one. The bigger question is what type of performance we put in.

Shefwedfan

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

I haven’t seen such confidence since before the Japan game

I think I seen posts on here about AIL teams beating Japan.....

Shefwedfan

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on

Joe names the team on Tuesday and didn’t want it released

Problem was come Wednesday every paper had the team and would announce it anyway, became a bit pointless but he stuck to his guns on it

The only benefit they are saying is players won’t have to hide it but based on the speed the media got the team I don’t think many ever hide it

sydthebeat

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And what do they think the handicap will come in at?

-13 to Ireland.

Which I think we will cover

lawrencesummers

sydthebeat wrote: »

scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets

so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them

And what do they think the handicap will come in at?

prawnsambo

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Joe used pick the team on Tuesdays. He just wouldn't release it until Thursday (for Saturday games). That's been well known for ages. And why the selection would inevitably leak.

[Deleted User]

We're gonna win the world cup

ionadnapóca

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

Not a chance

Did you not read the other moron in the STimes?
Farrell has named the team early. There is no uncertainty anymore. Players won’t be nervous anymore or on edge.

Ireland will unleash with abandon from here on

sydthebeat

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

scotland are avail;be as long as 7/1 in some outlets

so thats the chance that the bookies are giving them

lawrencesummers

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

No hope whatsoever? Not even if we play terrible and they play well? Not a chance?

ionadnapóca

Not a chance.
Ireland will take them to the cleaners.
27 v 3 in WC
13 v 22 in 6N

30+ v 7? 10 maybe

lawrencesummers

Is anybody open to entertaining the idea that Scotland could win?

ionadnapóca

Fear not lads

D'Arcy has had coffee with Andy.

"I’ve had a coffee with the new Ireland coach. The intensity people speak about is real. He commands respect. The players will trust his initial ideas. Farrell is not a great coach yet. That can only come with results as the number one. But the necessary character traits are evident.

What will make Farrell a success as Ireland head coach is delivering on all the small conversations he has had with players. And empowering them when he says he will. That’s how you get professional athletes to deliver for a team."

Slam is in the bag.

& i forgot. He names his teams early.
So the WC and all is wrapped up.

yerrahbah

aloooof wrote: »

Just put all the stats from this article together:

| VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
Try Assists | | |4 | |
Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11

Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

https://twitter.com/threeredkings/status/1104835501046026243

aloooof

typhoony wrote: »

the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.

This isn't the impression I have for 9, at least; Schmidt was regularly criticised for only giving the backup 9's a cursory 5 minutes at the end.

With regards 10, Sexton came off early against Scotland in last years 6 Nations, but other than that, I'm struggling to think of the next most recent game where he was subbed of early.

typhoony

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Every half decent 10 or 9 is targeted. They handle the ball the most and direct a teams play so of course the opposition tries to rattle them. It's not just Sexton.

the same degree of targeting is correct for every team, however our 9 and 10 come off the pitch more often than the counterparts on other teams or at least that's the impression I get.

Tomtom364

aloooof wrote: »

Just put all the stats from this article together:

| VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
Try Assists | | |4 | |
Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11

Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

Nonsense stats.
CJ Stander dosn't know how to pass...

Yeah_Right

Podge_irl wrote: »

Sexton is absolutely, 100% targeted. Yes he brings the ball to the line, just opening himself up to it, but there is many a slightly late hit where the tackler would have pulled out had it not been Sexton carrying the ball. That's just how it is.

Every half decent 10 or 9 is targeted. They handle the ball the most and direct a teams play so of course the opposition tries to rattle them. It's not just Sexton.

[Deleted User]

I'm going to go with a conservative 47 - 10 to Ireland.

We will dominate the scrum for 80 minutes and they have Edinburgh's third choice 8 at the back which means even their own put in's could end up messy.

Their 10 and 12 channel are vulnerable.

They've some real unknowns coming off the bench.

They've one of the best back three's in the tournament on paper but they'll need to find scores from counter attacking rugby because I don't see that pack having any parity against ours.

Big question whether Townsend has the dressing room. He has the look of someone who is awaiting the inevitable and probably would be glad to get out of Scottish rugby for a while.

typhoony

I know very little about their NO.8 but it appears he's a bit of a journeyman from the Southern Hemisphere. hasn't played much at a top level. doesn't look the strongest Scotland team we've faced.

Good for Doris to be coming up against a newcomer not a Vunipola

[Deleted User]

Scotland have named their team:

Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg (c), 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sam Johnson, 11 Blair Kinghorn, 10 Adam Hastings, 9 Ali Price, 8 Nick Haining, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Jamie Ritchie, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Scott Cummings, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Rory Sutherland

Replacements: 16 Stuart McInally, 17 Allan Dell, 18 Simon Berghan, 19 Ben Toolis, 20 Cornell du Preez, 21 George Horne, 22 Rory Hutchinson, 23 Chris Harris

aloooof

Just put all the stats from this article together:

| VdF | Stander | Deegan | Doris | JOD | POM
Minutes | | 989 | 889 | 743 | |
Tackle Success | 94% | | 87.3% | 96% | 88.4% | 87.7%
Jackals | 6 | 4 | 0 | 6 | | 8
Lineout Jumps / Won | 1 | 11 | 19 | 16 | | 28
Lineout Steals | | | | | 3 | 10
Linebreaks | 8 | | 12 | 5 | 9 | 1
Carries | | 225 | 130 | 117 | |
Metres/Carry | | 1.8 | | 3.5 | 2.4 | 1.48
Passes | | 55 | 27 | 18 | |
Offloads | | 8 | 2 | 4 | |
Defenders Beaten | | | 24 | 31 | 14 | 6
Try Assists | | |4 | |
Penalties Conceded | | | | | 19 | 11

Alot of it tells us what we already knew, but the surprising one for me was Standers passing and offloading stats.

It's a shame the complete set isn't there; the metrics could then also be converted to "per 80 mins" for an even better comparison.

ionadnapóca

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

For those of you who don't venture into the Bargain Alerts forum....Elverys are selling the current Irish jersey for 35 quid at the moment

I think it’s the phone jersey? Can’t bring myself to buy a phone jersey.
Did you see the RWC one on sale?