John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

.G. · 19-12-2019 06:11PM

UEFA and FIFA have always been quick to point out that government cannot interfere with football associations, talking about expulsion for those that do, yet now it falls to the government to save one!

Irishmale0399 · 19-12-2019 06:22PM

.G. wrote: »

UEFA and FIFA have always been quick to point out that government cannot interfere with football associations, talking about expulsion for those that do, yet now it falls to the government to save one!

UEFA and FIFA will not say no to money....they are the same people who aided JD to get where he was.

kippy · 19-12-2019 06:32PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

100% with you on it. We need to know where the money went over the last 15 years, who profited from it and why the government were only lobbied to build one proper ground for a LOI club which just happened to be in Dublin close to Abbottowns.

What happened the money is a key question. How are the organisation in this much debt?

Does anyone know what the story is with the 10 year tickets for the Aviva, is that scheme expired. Is there a chance for them to make some income on something like that?

kippy · 19-12-2019 06:33PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

UEFA and FIFA will not say no to money....they are the same people who aided JD to get where he was.

Yes but it it extremely rich coming from them, pardon the pun, when they are the overall bodies responsible. They have the coffers to bail the FAI out.

yabadabado · 19-12-2019 06:43PM

kippy wrote: »

What happened the money is a key question. How are the organisation in this much debt?

Does anyone know what the story is with the 10 year tickets for the Aviva, is that scheme expired. Is there a chance for them to make some income on something like that?

Afaik the original 10 year ticket plan finished up this year and the new plan was/is for sale for 5k (one price plan) .There is also 3 and 5 year plans.

5k for a premium ticket is good value imo ,its not aimed at the ordinary fan but usually bought up by companies etc.Its a long way from the 12k they thought they would get last time for the cheapest seat.

Not sure what sort of cash it will generate.

CrabRevolution · 19-12-2019 07:51PM

.G. wrote: »

UEFA and FIFA have always been quick to point out that government cannot interfere with football associations, talking about expulsion for those that do, yet now it falls to the government to save one!

I've seen suggestions (including from presumably professional sports journalists) that not bailing the FAI out counts as "government interference".

If anyone figures out how that makes any sense, please let me know!

salmocab · 19-12-2019 07:57PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Afaik the original 10 year ticket plan finished up this year and the new plan was/is for sale for 5k (one price plan) .There is also 3 and 5 year plans.

5k for a premium ticket is good value imo ,its not aimed at the ordinary fan but usually bought up by companies etc.Its a long way from the 12k they thought they would get last time for the cheapest seat.

Not sure what sort of cash it will generate.

The problem really is the quality of the opposition for an awful lot of these games don’t make many games attractive. Over 2 years maybe 4 games against quality opposition. A few against decent teams and a few against poor enough teams.

.G. · 19-12-2019 08:03PM

salmocab wrote: »

The problem really is the quality of the opposition for an awful lot of these games don’t make many games attractive. Over 2 years maybe 4 games against quality opposition. A few against decent teams and a few against poor enough teams.

Added to the fact that watching Ireland for a long time has been bloody torturous. I haven't been to a game in a long long time, was hoping that would change under Stephen Kenny but maybe there won't be a team!

salmocab · 19-12-2019 08:08PM

.G. wrote: »

Added to the fact that watching Ireland for a long time has been bloody torturous. I haven't been to a game in a long long time, was hoping that would change under Stephen Kenny but maybe there won't be a team!

Well maybe but from a corporate point of view it may not seem like bang for buck. Customers aren’t too likely to be overly interested in Bulgaria on a Wednesday night let alone someone like Malta.

topmanamillion · 19-12-2019 08:54PM

They can't give away those 10 year/vantage club tickets.
The complete mismanagement of their sale when the new LR opened is a major reason in why the debt is so big today.
They price originally ranged from €12000 to €32000 and JD reckoned he'd cover the mortgage on LR with their sale.
There were 10,000 of them for sale. In the end about 4000 were allocated but some of those were heavily discounted to the point where you had people who had paid full price sitting beside people who'd gotten them for a fraction of the cost and even as freebies.

The FAI were even enlisting office staff in the FAI to flog them, like something a national school would do sending raffle tickets home with children.

Dots1982 · 19-12-2019 09:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the Government had gifted a new stadium with gold toilet fittings to every League of Ireland club in the country, there is no certainty:-

1. We'd see one more punter come through the turnstiles
2. The FAI wouldn't be €80 million in debt following Delaney's departure.

There is an issue to be discussed about funding the sport in Ireland. I just do not understand why it's popping up again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again from one poster on this thread. It doesn't explain or excuse the mismanagement by Delaney and the FAI, there is no suggestion whatsoever that the FAI is down €80 million because they spent it on the game here.

The reason I keep bringing up the funding of sport is that I think it is important to plan for the future. Ireland is below Liechtenstein and many other tiny poor countries in the club co-efficient ranking. A lot of that falls on the FAI’s head but not all of it.

John Delaney could be sentenced to 30 years for fraud but the day after the ruling football in this country will not automatically improve.

There needs to be a plan, there needs to be finance, there needs to be good committed staff and good management and buy in from the general public.

Otherwise nothing will change.

Maybe there needs to be a new thread: this one to exclusively discuss Delaney and another to discuss the betterment of the future of Irish football...or maybe it’s all worth discussing here.

CrabRevolution · 19-12-2019 09:59PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

The reason I keep bringing up the funding of sport is that I think it is important to plan for the future. Ireland is below Liechtenstein and many other tiny poor countries in the club co-efficient ranking. A lot of that falls on the FAI’s head but not all of it.

John Delaney could be sentenced to 30 years for fraud but the day after the ruling football in this country will not automatically improve.

There needs to be a plan, there needs to be finance, there needs to be good committed staff and good management and buy in from the general public.

Otherwise nothing will change.

Maybe there needs to be a new thread: this one to exclusively discuss Delaney and another to discuss the betterment of the future of Irish football...or maybe it’s all worth discussing here.

Who are are "tiny, poor" countries doing who are doing better than us? Liechtenstein are 1. Far from poor and 2. Represented by a single club playing in the Swiss league, which distorts their coefficient. Their points are effectively quadrupled so if they win one or two rounds they rocket up the rankings.

Dots1982 · 19-12-2019 10:01PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Who are are "tiny, poor" countries doing who are doing better than us? Liechtenstein are 1. Far from poor and 2. are represented by a single club playing in the Swiss league, which distorts their coefficient. Their points are effectively quadrupled so if they win one or two rounds they rocket up the rankings.

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/coefficient/

Take your pick

Irishmale0399 · 19-12-2019 10:03PM

Lads can we stop fight about how big the cocks are and start asking questions about where all the money went over the 15 odd years that JD was at the top.............there is a lot more to all this than meets the eye and only the tip of the iceberg has been scratched.

Where did money end up that his ex should have received....who donated the €650k to the FAI last/this year??? JD gave €50k....the rest and for what reason. How much were the individual board members claiming on expenses...same for council members.....

19-12-2019 10:22PM

So the Delaney defenders/supporters are now encouraging everyone to accept/ask for a government bailout ?

Ideally with no questions asked.

Rotten to the very core.

kippy · 19-12-2019 10:22PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

The reason I keep bringing up the funding of sport is that I think it is important to plan for the future. Ireland is below Liechtenstein and many other tiny poor countries in the club co-efficient ranking. A lot of that falls on the FAI’s head but not all of it.

John Delaney could be sentenced to 30 years for fraud but the day after the ruling football in this country will not automatically improve.

There needs to be a plan, there needs to be finance, there needs to be good committed staff and good management and buy in from the general public.

Otherwise nothing will change.

Maybe there needs to be a new thread: this one to exclusively discuss Delaney and another to discuss the betterment of the future of Irish football...or maybe it’s all worth discussing here.

The betterment of Irish Soccer is not rocket science. FFS it's the most popular sport in the world. There should be no issues with sponsors and or government grants, I've pointed out how other organisations manage in other posts on this thread. It's about the right people in the right positions. We are still a long way away from that.

Saying 'nothing will change' suggests that the shenanagans of the past decade or more are only as a result of lack of funding, as opposed to the criminal mismanagement of the organisation by its CEO and a heard of yes men happy to row in behind him.

All of it is on the FAIs head. Every single piece. I can't see how you could say anything other than this without being seriously deluded.

Irishmale0399 · 19-12-2019 10:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So the Delaney defenders and supporters are now encouraging everyone to ask/accept for a government bailout ?

Ideally with no questions asked.

Rotten to the very core.

Until the FAI come out with the full truth and 100% transparency then they shouldnt be saved. I suspect the government will let them go until they cant go any further and then step in with conditions XYZ. If UEFA, FIFA or Conway dont like the conditions they can bail them out.

What I would love to see;
- New FAI for mens international teams only
- New setup for ladies football (daughter of the FAI so to say)
- Disabled teams (as ladies)

- LOI independent, government support direct to the operating company or clubs
- Grassroots also a seperate body under the FAI

Voting...very simple....each body above gets to promote 1 member to the FAI board and another 4-5 independent member 1 of which is a supporter... 1 vote each at the table. No need for big representation...invest the money in the sport and not the pockets of the fat cats

yabadabado · 20-12-2019 09:14PM

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/we-did-not-want-to-see-our-parent-body-suffer-sfai-confirm-50k-aviva-corporate-box-deal-38803346.html

Madness but not one bit surprised.

dreamers75 · 20-12-2019 09:17PM

yabadabado wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/we-did-not-want-to-see-our-parent-body-suffer-sfai-confirm-50k-aviva-corporate-box-deal-38803346.html

Madness but not one bit surprised.

That is 100% ****in insane.

Like actually think about it its basically money laundering.....

Salary Negotiator · 20-12-2019 09:25PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

That is 100% ****in insane.

Like actually think about it its basically money laundering.....

Read that, mental. Would I be right in thinking that the school boys are funded primarily by the FAI?

SomethingElse · 20-12-2019 09:40PM

Do the government give grants directly to the SFAI - was this a way of taking 50k extra of government funding into John Delaney's pocket?

Zebra3 · 20-12-2019 09:41PM

Wonder did Delaney get a commission then on the any of the 50 grand?

dreamers75 · 20-12-2019 11:33PM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Read that, mental. Would I be right in thinking that the school boys are funded primarily by the FAI?

Yes.

So goverment gives SFAI grant they use that to lodge into FAIs account and as above JD probably got a commission from it.

our kids subs certainly didnt pay for it.

Going down the rabbit hole now, 100% they were not the only Junior FA to do it.

Salary Negotiator · 21-12-2019 12:12AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Yes.

So goverment gives SFAI grant they use that to lodge into FAIs account and as above JD probably got a commission from it.

our kids subs certainly didnt pay for it.

Going down the rabbit hole now, 100% they were not the only Junior FA to do it.

Follow the money...

SomethingElse · 21-12-2019 12:32AM

https://youtu.be/emZ1-4C63ww

Just An Opinion · 21-12-2019 10:30PM

SomethingElse wrote: »

https://youtu.be/emZ1-4C63ww

I’ve watched a lot of stuff back of this príck on YouTube and it’s unbelievable how brass neck he is. Particularly in that Barry Egan documentary for the Independent, I’d say those playing the dangle berry on his bollocks in it feel very fûck!n silly these days looking back. A certain E.Dunphy I’m thinking of, ever the condemning motor mouth never gave a peep on this fallout.

The bit where he says the FAI was “a very badly ran organization” and 3 times he says it for good measure. And then talks about being approached by a Fine Fail minister in ‘07/‘08 to run for election, incredible. Of course he turned it down, ‘I’m bleeding my own portion dry under the guise of governance minister but thanks for the offer, wink wink’.

And we only currently know the chippings of it aswell folks!

Irishmale0399 · 22-12-2019 02:05PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1034b222-244f-11ea-81b4-b78674dd3224

€50k from school boys football for a box in the Aviva
€50k from Tip Southern and District
€100k from Leinster FA
€50k from JD

€250k of potential government funding reinvested into JDs mess....maybe now people understand why the government and Kosi say no more money. The big question still has to be answered....where did the other €400k come from???

Seth Brundle · 22-12-2019 02:11PM

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

where did the other €400k come from???

Maybe Delaney loaned it to them

fullstop · 22-12-2019 04:16PM

Anyone seen results of the FAI prize draw, which apparently happened on December 4th?

Irishmale0399 · 22-12-2019 04:29PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Maybe Delaney loaned it to them

They only admit that he donated €50K

fullstop wrote: »

Anyone seen results of the FAI prize draw, which apparently happened on December 4th?

Wonder was there an independent Notary Public present to ensure the draw took place and wasnt fiddled!!!

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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