John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

Dots1982 · 18-12-2019 11:16PM

Is a bailout not ultimately the most likely solution despite the posturing from Ross?

The other choices are

1- a debt restructure, not impossible but how is the FAI with It’s limited Revenue streams and brand in the gutter going to realistically service that size of a debt. No big home games at all next year. Good luck.
2- FAI go into administration, out of existence. Broken down for parts and get reconstituted into something new. Again possible but what kind of new association can be realistically reconstituted. No assets as their share of the Aviva is now given over to the banks as part of liquidation. They are going to need money to get started, pay their staff, rebrand. Where’s that coming from if not from the government.
3- FAI go out of existence and nothing replaces it because there’s no money to replace it with. Ireland no longer has any place in international competition.
4- UEFA bailout- in Minister Ross’ dreams.

Any others?

topmanamillion · 18-12-2019 11:17PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Isnt what Ross said correct regarding the FAI and LoI ?
If FAI liquidated the league wouldn't be allowed enter European competitions or get money from UEFA .
Is that not correct.

Also dont the FAI(all UEFA associations)need the LoI to have international teams ?
No national league means no international football.
They are all connected.

I was reading somewhere earlier ,going into examinership would be the most likely route they would try to take rather than liquidate.

What Ross said was "My guess is if the FAI go, the League of Ireland follows, yes"
Far too flippant of a comment from a sports minister.
Turn the tables and imagine the this was the IRFU. would he say the same about the provincial teams? Would he hell!

League of Ireland clubs are just as innocent in all this as grassroots. He should be making the same effort he made to secure funding for the LOI as he did grassroots.

Ross set up a payroll company to directly pay youth development officers and fund grassroots projects.

Why can't he set up a company to directly fund the LOI?
In a doomsday scenerio where the FAI folds UEFA could pay youth development and Euro prize money through that mechanism. It'd be an extraordinary move and not something UEFA would like to do as they pay directly to FAs but when the alternative is the folding of every senior club in this country along with the national youth league's, which are controlled by the LOI clubs, it's surely something they'd at least consider.

thebaz · 18-12-2019 11:23PM

10 years ago Roy Keane questioned the honesty and integrity of John Delaney - How right he was - what a dishonest crook Delaney was after all, practically ruiinng the game in Ireland.

secman · 18-12-2019 11:27PM

I take it there is no PR office / officer in the FAI, place seems to be full of ****wits.. a conveyor belt full of them....

topmanamillion · 18-12-2019 11:29PM

thebaz wrote: »

10 years ago Roy Keane questioned the honesty and integrity of John Delaney - How right he was - what a dishonest crook Delaney was after all, practically ruiinng the game in Ireland.

Actually 17 years ago, if you're referring to saipan. Apologies if it's a different event.

6 years ago he took a half a million a year job working for the same FAI/Delaney.

Fcuk Roy Keane.

.G. · 18-12-2019 11:30PM

https://twitter.com/marktigheST/status/1207388614432305152

DundalkDuffman · 18-12-2019 11:30PM

thebaz wrote: »

10 years ago Roy Keane questioned the honesty and integrity of John Delaney - How right he was - what a dishonest crook Delaney was after all, practically ruiinng the game in Ireland.

It didn't stop him then taking a job and a fat wage under Delaney's stewardship though.

thebaz · 18-12-2019 11:33PM

topmanamillion wrote: »

Actually 17 years ago, if you're referring to saipan. Apologies if it's a different event.

6 years ago he took a half a million a year job working for the same FAI/Delaney.

Fcuk Roy Keane.

was referring to the Henry / Ipswich interview -
Didn't Dennis O'Brien pay his wages ?
Keane was spot on about Delaney , so **** Delaney , not Keane

Dots1982 · 18-12-2019 11:37PM

Roy Keane- voted our best player at World Cup 1994. His performances dragged us to another World Cup.

Be nice to relax on making him a villain of this in some sort of stupid way.

JRant · 18-12-2019 11:39PM

If the FAI go into receivership or liquidation does that mean JD's big fat pension and payoff are gone?

topmanamillion · 18-12-2019 11:41PM

thebaz wrote: »

was referring to the Henry / Ipswich interview -
Didn't Dennis O'Brien pay his wages ?
Keane was spot on about Delaney , so **** Delaney , not Keane

He worked under Delaney for a bag full of gold.
Posed for photos with Delaney, did the press conferences with him. Was a good little employee after all his talk.
Keanes comments carry about as much weight as a mouse's fart.

You want integrity, try Brian Kerr. Could have easily seen out his days in a cushy FAI gig.
Decided to stick the knife in Delaney and the rest as often as possible over the last 15 years instead.

secman · 18-12-2019 11:42PM

JRant wrote: »

If the FAI go into receivership or liquidation does that mean JD's big fat pension and payoff are gone?

No im sure he's well cashed the cheque, pension fund is independent of FAI

thebaz · 18-12-2019 11:46PM

topmanamillion wrote: »

He worked under Delaney for a bag full of gold.
Posed for photos with Delaney, did the press conferences with him. Was a good little employee after all his talk.
Keanes comments carry about as much weight as a mouse's fart.

as I said didnt Dennis O'Brien pay Keane and O'Neills wages ?

Somehow I think Keane has delivered more to Irish football , than most

yabadabado · 19-12-2019 12:07AM

secman wrote: »

I take it there is no PR office / officer in the FAI, place seems to be full of ****wits.. a conveyor belt full of them....

There is ,name escapes me but there is at least one person in that role.

Cathal Dervan also has his slimey hands in the pot as well.

19-12-2019 12:17AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Roy Keane- voted our best player at World Cup 1994. His performances dragged us to another World Cup.

Be nice to relax on making him a villain of this in some sort of stupid way.

The issue started when someone wasn't making a villain out of Keane, they were making a virtue out of his assessment of Delaney and others pointed out that he wasn't slow to take a job off Delaney when he needed one.

But either way, it's a tangent.

topmanamillion · 19-12-2019 12:24AM

JRant wrote: »

If the FAI go into receivership or liquidation does that mean JD's big fat pension and payoff are gone?

Nope. They've been paying into a pension pot for him the past 15 years. Should be a seriously sweet lump sum when he's ready to claim it in around 10 years.
Not sure about the pay off, but who needs 400k when you're rolling in it living in a million euro mansion.

FixdePitchmark · 19-12-2019 12:38AM

what are the chances of actual charges.

What crime is serious that could have happened?

topmanamillion · 19-12-2019 12:59AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

what are the chances of actual charges.

What crime is serious that could have happened?

The FAI admitted breaching tax regulations and company law rules. They paid the revenue €2.6 million in a settlement a few months ago.
It seems like blue collar crime so far. No ones going to do hard time for that.
That's the information that is in the public domain.

The KOSI report is with the Gardai and apparently they're interested in 4 past/present senior board members in relation to fraud. I could hazard a guess at naming one of them but that would be a breach of forum rules.

Tldr: no one knows without seeing the KOSI report and the conclusion of the Garda investigation. Wishful thinking to think anyone's going to see prison time for any of this.
Best case is there'll be a few of them barred from directorship roles/fines and other slap on the wrist type stuff.

yabadabado · 19-12-2019 01:03AM

yabadabado wrote: »

There is ,name escapes me but there is at least one person in that role.

Cathal Dervan also has his slimey hands in the pot as well.

Dervan is PR and communications officer .

irelandrover · 19-12-2019 08:11AM

topmanamillion wrote: »

What Ross said was "My guess is if the FAI go, the League of Ireland follows, yes"
Far too flippant of a comment from a sports minister.
Turn the tables and imagine the this was the IRFU. would he say the same about the provincial teams? Would he hell!

Its not as clear cut as that. If the IRFU folds the provinces are gone as the IRFU own and fund the provinces. If the FAI fold then the league can still run just without access to UEFA competitions and money. Can the LoI clubs run without that money?

Dots1982 · 19-12-2019 10:01AM

https://twitter.com/chippie1974/status/1207404354195673091?s=20

How it is with sport and the government in Ireland.

salmocab · 19-12-2019 10:04AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/chippie1974/status/1207404354195673091?s=20

How it is with sport and the government in Ireland.

What’s the relevance here? A company pay their vat and taxes, that’s what businesses are meant to do.

19-12-2019 10:05AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/chippie1974/status/1207404354195673091?s=20

How it is with sport and the government in Ireland.

Jesus, a thread about that management genius John Delaney, and it turns to being about 'de gubberment'. :rolleyes:

Dots1982 · 19-12-2019 10:16AM

salmocab wrote: »

What’s the relevance here? A company pay their vat and taxes, that’s what businesses are meant to do.

It’s about the wider context of living in a rich modern European country with a league whose coefficient is behind some of the smallest poorest country’s in Europe.

Why is that? Is it all the FAI’s fault? Is it the GAA’s fault because their local infrastructure is so amazing? Is the sport (especially LOI grounds which are probably some of the worst in Europe) underfunded at a national level?

salmocab · 19-12-2019 10:17AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It’s about the wider context of living in a rich modern European country with a league whose coefficient is behind some of the smallest poorest country’s in Europe.

Why is that? Is it all the FAI’s fault? Is it the GAA’s fault because their local infrastructure is so amazing? Is the sport (especially LOI grounds which are probably some of the worst in Europe) underfunded at a national level?

What has that to do with Bohemians paying tax?

sydthebeat · 19-12-2019 10:32AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It’s about the wider context of living in a rich modern European country with a league whose coefficient is behind some of the smallest poorest country’s in Europe.

Why is that? Is it all the FAI’s fault? Is it the GAA’s fault because their local infrastructure is so amazing? Is the sport (especially LOI grounds which are probably some of the worst in Europe) underfunded at a national level?

Yes it's all the FAIs fault.

Next question...

Dots1982 · 19-12-2019 10:56AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yes it's all the FAIs fault.

Next question...

I fear future generations will be here in 100 years wondering why we are still below Liechtenstein in the UEFA club coefficient if a bit more attention isn’t paid to all the reasons it is below tiny or small or poor countries in the European order now.

topmanamillion · 19-12-2019 11:14AM

irelandrover wrote: »

Its not as clear cut as that. If the IRFU folds the provinces are gone as the IRFU own and fund the provinces. If the FAI fold then the league can still run just without access to UEFA competitions and money. Can the LoI clubs run without that money?

Short answer no.
The league also gets solidarity and youth development money.
So even clubs that aren't in European competitions are still benefiting from UEFA money.
UEFA are giving around €800,000 a year to the national underage leagues. Another €2 million+ depending on performances to the Euro clubs.

Without that money the underage league's fold immediately. Owners chasing Europe at certain clubs pull the plug.
The league is volotile enough without the UEFA moeny being pulled.

19-12-2019 11:16AM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It’s about the wider context of living in a rich modern European country with a league whose coefficient is behind some of the smallest poorest country’s in Europe.

Why is that? Is it all the FAI’s fault? Is it the GAA’s fault because their local infrastructure is so amazing? Is the sport (especially LOI grounds which are probably some of the worst in Europe) underfunded at a national level?

The thread is about Delaney and the FAI, which is €80 million in debt.

This constant refrain of underfunding is a complete red herring. If the Government had written out a cheque to the FAI for €50 million of our taxpayer's money last year, it would be €30 million in debt. Would that be good management? Would that be so much better?

Thank Christ the Government stopped funding the FAI. It was brutal, but turning off that tap has ensured a lot more has come out. And I say this as a someone who has paid into the trust for Cork City for years, it's not like I'm flippant about the game here.

topmanamillion · 19-12-2019 11:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The thread is about Delaney and the FAI, which is €80 million in debt.

This constant refrain of underfunding is a complete red herring. If the Government had written out a cheque to the FAI for €50 million of our taxpayer's money last year, it would be €30 million in debt. Would that be good management? Would that be so much better?

I genuinely believe if the government had written a cheque for €50 million to the FAI last year, they'd be €60 million in debt and back again for more this year. They'd tell the government giving JD a €5 million bonus and giving some dinosaur manager from the lower reaches of the English league a bumper contract was money well invested.

That type of thing is the fundamental reason they got less than the IRFU and GAA, who are both transparent well run organisations.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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