Marian Finucane Thread

elperello · 08-12-2019 2:59pm

Generally predicted in UK that Conservatives will end up with 25-30 seat majority.
Tories (British ones!!) never good news for Ireland.

Ahwell · 09-12-2019 1:51am

newcavanman wrote: »

Herself and her panel are having a field day, praising Jeremy Corbyn and slagging off Boris .

It's called "self-interest". The bigger the majority the conservative party has, the higher the chance of a harder brexit. The harder the brexit, the greater the negative impact it will have on the Irish economy. So it's perfectly understandable why nobody in the studio was cheering Boris Johnson on.

touts · 14-12-2019 11:23am

Car crash interview by Leo. Prince Andrew level of arrogance. Little boy dying of cancer. Not my fault. Dara Murphy not in the Dail. Well Fianna Fail have loads of TDs under investigation.

zell12 · 14-12-2019 11:28am

He seems to be spinning up for an election, changing the narrative to a positive spin all the time

zell12 · 14-12-2019 11:31am

Sounds like a true Tory!

mgn · 14-12-2019 11:31am

I said from day 1, Leo is a fraud and has being getting a free pass in the media up until recently.

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 11:33am

touts wrote: »

Car crash interview by Leo. Prince Andrew level of arrogance. Little boy dying of cancer. Not my fault. Dara Murphy not in the Dail. Well Fianna Fail have loads of TDs under investigation.

Brendan is laying it on a bit thick. Blaming Leo now for kids not learning how to crawl because they are living in hotels!! If the State is providing the family with a hotel room, it's not much to ask that the parents should be able to teach the child to crawl and walk. It's too easy to just blame the state for everything as it absolves you of all responsibility.

mgn · 14-12-2019 11:34am

generalgerry wrote: »

Brendan is laying it on a bit thick. Blaming Leo now for kids not learning how to crawl because they are living in hotels!! If the State is providing the family with a hotel room, it's not much to ask that the parents should be able to teach the child to crawl and walk. It's too easy to just blame the state for everything as it absolves you of all responsibility.

Not half thick enough for the fool.

zell12 · 14-12-2019 11:35am

Is there some reason Leo is on this show?

zell12 · 14-12-2019 11:37am

oooh he was involved personally in picking Verona Murphy for candidate.

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 11:38am

zell12 wrote: »

Is there some reason Leo is on this show?

I heard it from the start, it was a bit of a surprise. Brendan just read out the headlines, may of which involved Leo and then all of a sudden "Taoiseach Varadkar, good morning".

Brendan is really conforming to an RTE-type presenter, he must be looking for the gig full time.

BarryD2 · 14-12-2019 11:40am

Fairly testy interview. Brendan is as guilty as them all of lazy journalism - just ask the same mantra of questions on the same issues that have been thrashed to death. Can he not come up with a few original topics & questions?

You might also observe that RTE really have a hard on in terms of putting the boot into poor ol Verona Murphy. Maybe she's just an easy target that is unlikely to fight back?

zell12 · 14-12-2019 11:42am

Sounds like an opening salvo for an election.
Otherwise he'd say that he is not discussing same.

mgn · 14-12-2019 11:43am

zell12 wrote: »

Sounds like an opening salvo for an election.
Otherwise he's say that he is not discussing same.

First out of the traps.

mattser · 14-12-2019 11:44am

zell12 wrote: »

Is there some reason Leo is on this show?

Is there some reason Marian isn't ?

BarryD2 · 14-12-2019 11:45am

generalgerry wrote: »

Brendan is really conforming to an RTE-type presenter, he must be looking for the gig full time.

You could be right, Marian's days must be numbered now. I suppose you'd have to give him a chance over several weeks, but he always comes across as a bit limited/ one dimensional in his style & nuance to my mind.

BarryD2 · 14-12-2019 11:47am

mattser wrote: »

Is there some reason Marian isn't ?

Maybe she's ill - fair amount of coughing and spluttering last Sunday..

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 11:47am

BarryD2 wrote: »

You might also observe that RTE really have a hard on in terms of putting the boot into poor ol Verona Murphy. Maybe she's just an easy target that is unlikely to fight back?

It's exactly this that I was referencing in the previous post. It's not Brendan's job to tell us that Verona Murphy's comments were disgraceful and ask Leo whether he agrees with his own opinion that the comments were disgraceful. But it's popular now amongst journalists to be seen to put out your own virtuous opinions first, and then have the interviewee try to dare disagree with you.

I've said it already but it's a strange country where an actual ISIS member gets more favourable treatment from the media that somebody who makes a few remarks about ISIS.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-12-2019 11:48am

Oriole just live the drama.

Nothing ever constructive talked about in the media.

All about the clickbaits and headlines.

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 11:48am

Every Christmas they wheel out Barry Devlin for "humourous" anecdotes.

Oops69 · 14-12-2019 12:13pm

The shower of idiots talking about Christmas, is there anything worse than a Corkonian trying to tell a joke ?...And one of them is an actual ' comedian' as well ?...ala Deirdre o' Kane .

BarryD2 · 14-12-2019 12:44pm

generalgerry wrote: »

It's exactly this that I was referencing in the previous post. It's not Brendan's job to tell us that Verona Murphy's comments were disgraceful and ask Leo whether he agrees with his own opinion that the comments were disgraceful. But it's popular now amongst journalists to be seen to put out your own virtuous opinions first, and then have the interviewee try to dare disagree with you.

Cormac has her lined up in his sights now for the lunchtime slot. She was a bit unwise in her public comments but hardly deserves the public flogging being handed out by the RTE hacks. It's pathetic at this stage. There's plenty of other people in public life who would have slightly colourful views.

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 1:37pm

Cormac O'Hara now going after Staunton about Verona Murphy. The media will hound FG to the point that they are forced to get her to stand down. The media are basically dictating the candidates that are to be put in front of the electorate.

Callan57 · 14-12-2019 2:22pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Cormac O'Hara now going after Staunton about Verona Murphy. The media will hound FG to the point that they are forced to get her to stand down. The media are basically dictating the candidates that are to be put in front of the electorate.

It's a fine line before the old "sympathy vote" kicks in & the Dublin media get blamed, à la Tipp North, for picking on one of us.

;)

generalgerry · 14-12-2019 8:33pm

Callan57 wrote: »

It's a fine line before the old "sympathy vote" kicks in & the Dublin media get blamed, à la Tipp North, for picking on one of us. ;)

There is that "siege" mentality for sure that certain (who shall remained unnamed) politicians use to their advantage alright. The problem for FG is that most of the people on the ground will respect Verona Murphy because she is a ballsy straight talker, but her straight talking will be frowned on by the academics and journalists who get on the maintream media panel shows.

elperello · 14-12-2019 8:55pm

generalgerry wrote: »

There is that "siege" mentality for sure that certain (who shall remained unnamed) politicians use to their advantage alright. The problem for FG is that most of the people on the ground will respect Verona Murphy because she is a ballsy straight talker, but her straight talking will be frowned on by the academics and journalists who get on the maintream media panel shows.

She finished in third place with 23.8% of the vote.

It's only fair to point out that she got a lot of airing on mainstream media panel shows herself.

It wasn't academics and journalists that were her problem.

jay0109 · 14-12-2019 10:29pm

So the Media are going to decide who FG can/cannot run in Wexford. A hit job on the Marian Finucane Show followed by a full on attack on the Saturday with Cormac O'HEadhra Show.
Disgusting

elperello · 14-12-2019 10:48pm

And if the media were going easy on LV over this there would be people complaining about that.
The story is not about VM anymore it is about LV's judgement.

mgn · 14-12-2019 11:47pm

Easy way out for FG to say Murphy didn't win a seat because of what she said.
What did the other 3 candidates say to stop them getting elected, it must have being bad otherwise the would have got elected.

People didn't vote for Murphy because she was in FG, not because of what she said, simple as that.

jay0109 · 15-12-2019 12:59am

Murphy got the biggest vote of any of the 3 FG candidates in the recent by-elections

Brendan Bendar · 15-12-2019 7:48am

mgn wrote: »

Easy way out for FG to say Murphy didn't win a seat because of what she said.
What did the other 3 candidates say to stop them getting elected, it must have being bad otherwise the would have got elected.

People didn't vote for Murphy because she was in FG, not because of what she said, simple as that.

Your posts are getting very predictable and agenda based.

Can you provide evidence for your statements, my friend.

yosser hughes · 15-12-2019 10:16am

elperello wrote: »

She finished in third place with 23.8% of the vote.

It's only fair to point out that she got a lot of airing on mainstream media panel shows herself.

It wasn't academics and journalists that were her problem.

Which would see her easily win a seat in a general election

Del.Monte · 15-12-2019 11:01am

If VM had been an Independent rather than FG, and had stuck to her guns over what she said, I would have considered voting for her.

mgn · 15-12-2019 11:06am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Your posts are getting very predictable and agenda based.

Can you provide evidence for your statements, my friend.

With your agenda you can't see that FG is the problem with the voters.

generalgerry · 15-12-2019 11:45am

Ellen Coyne - talking about the "misinformation". A bit rich given that she typifies the modern journalist, i.e. a liberal activist who pushes their own opinions and to hell with objectively reporting the news. Even her "anecdote" from earlier - she went to the North to talk to young unionists about the changing political landscape, and came back with a story about abortion and same sex marriage. She came back with the message that she herself wanted to bring us, not the story. But this is what modern journalism has become.

newcavanman · 15-12-2019 12:25pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Ellen Coyne - talking about the "misinformation". A bit rich given that she typifies the modern journalist, i.e. a liberal activist who pushes their own opinions and to hell with objectively reporting the news. Even her "anecdote" from earlier - she went to the North to talk to young unionists about the changing political landscape, and came back with a story about abortion and same sex marriage. She came back with the message that she herself wanted to bring us, not the story. But this is what modern journalism has become.

Bang on the money. The panel this morning are just resorting to the same old Establishment way of looking at things. They didnt understand Trump, or Brexit, and now they dont understand Boris. People are not prepared to put up with being told that they don't know their own mind, that they need to be told what to think and when to think it. Witness the constant media stories lately, telling us, we wont be allowed to have open fires, we wont be allowed to have diesel cars, as examples. These are small fry compared to the bigger questions like immigration. Its Big Brother, dressed up as our betters showing us the errors of our ways. Well, for the moment, this isnt China, and the establishment may find that, just like in the USA or UK, people still have a voice, and their will be a mighty shock ifthey use it

mgn · 15-12-2019 12:40pm

It's a sad state of affairs when a panel of adults all agree with what a 16 year old kid says, Greta said that, Greta says this, no one dare questions what she says.

elperello · 15-12-2019 12:44pm

mgn wrote: »

It's a sad state of affairs when a panel of adults all agree with what a 16 year old kid says, Greta said that, Greta says this, no one dare questions what she says.

No climate change deniers on the panel then.

mgn · 15-12-2019 12:47pm

elperello wrote: »

No climate change deniers on the panel then.

So everyone that doesn't agree with the great Greta is a climate change denier then.

elperello · 15-12-2019 12:54pm

mgn wrote: »

So everyone that doesn't agree with the great Greta is a climate change denier then.

She just says listen to the science and make the necessary changes to protect the planet.

Nothing really radical and certainly little for a panelist on a radio show to get their teeth into.

Ahwell · 15-12-2019 12:58pm

mgn wrote: »

So everyone that doesn't agree with the great Greta is a climate change denier then.

You still haven't explained what she said that you, as a non-climate change denier, disagree with or why it should be challenged.

Brendan Bendar · 15-12-2019 1:02pm

mgn wrote: »

With your agenda you can't see that FG is the problem with the voters.

I will take that as a ‘no’, carry on with biased nonsensical posts.

Callan57 · 15-12-2019 1:11pm

mgn wrote: »

It's a sad state of affairs when a panel of adults all agree with what a 16 year old kid says, Greta said that, Greta says this, no one dare questions what she says.

So what has she said that you take issue with? It couldn't be just that she is 16 surely ... or a girl! :rolleyes:

mgn · 15-12-2019 1:13pm

Ahwell wrote: »

You still haven't explained what she said that you, as a non-climate change denier, disagree with or why it should be challenged.

The world's climate has changed over thousands of years, and if you think for one minute that what you do now to save the world, is going to make a bit of difference, then good luck to you.

mgn · 15-12-2019 1:18pm

elperello wrote: »

She just says listen to the science and make the necessary changes to protect the planet.

Nothing really radical and certainly little for a panelist on a radio show to get their teeth into.

Or finish up like David Bellamy who went against the grain, and the media finished his career because of what he believed in, not what the wanted him to believe in.

Ahwell · 15-12-2019 1:41pm

mgn wrote: »

The world's climate has changed over thousands of years,

But that's rhetoric of climate change denier, something you implied you weren't above, bit of a mixed message. Yes, the world's climate does change, that's not really in question. What is in question is whether human activities are significantly contributing to natural climate change through our emissions of greenhouse gases. There is an overwhelming consensus among scientists that this is the case. Greta is basing her opinions on science, what are you basing yours on?

elperello · 15-12-2019 2:42pm

mgn wrote: »

Or finish up like David Bellamy who went against the grain, and the media finished his career because of what he believed in, not what the wanted him to believe in.

David Bellamy was a nice man. I met him briefly one time.

He did some great work in his time for which incidentally he was well rewarded.

He allowed himself to end up on the wrong side of the climate change debate for reasons I never quite understood.

The science wasn't there for him when he needed it so the die was cast mostly of his own making.

Nevertheless I will remember him as a great contributor to various forms of media who helped to champion the natural world.

mgn · 15-12-2019 4:06pm

Ahwell wrote: »

But that's rhetoric of climate change denier, something you implied you weren't above, bit of a mixed message. Yes, the world's climate does change, that's not really in question. What is in question is whether human activities are significantly contributing to natural climate change through our emissions of greenhouse gases. There is an overwhelming consensus among scientists that this is the case. Greta is basing her opinions on science, what are you basing yours on?

Since when did the great Greta become qualified to lecture anyone on climate science, she is a sixteen year old school dropout with no qualifications being used by a group of people what no one else would listen too.
Her parents should be ashamed of themselves.

mgn · 15-12-2019 4:16pm

elperello wrote: »

David Bellamy was a nice man. I met him briefly one time.

He did some great work in his time for which incidentally he was well rewarded.

He allowed himself to end up on the wrong side of the climate change debate for reasons I never quite understood.

The science wasn't there for him when he needed it so the die was cast mostly of his own making.

Nevertheless I will remember him as a great contributor to various forms of media who helped to champion the natural world.

I don't recall him changing his opinion with the science we have now.

Ahwell · 15-12-2019 4:26pm

mgn wrote: »

Since when did the great Greta become qualified to lecture anyone on climate science, she is a sixteen year old school dropout with no qualifications being used by a group of people what no one else would listen too.
Her parents should be ashamed of themselves.

This is just a personal attack on her, you still haven't explained what it is she has said that you think needs questioning.

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