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  • #782
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Wasn't sure where to post this but the crappy old charge point in the Tanyard in Tullamore has been replaced with a new unit. Old one had only one side working for months but thankfully both are working now.

    495641.jpg


  • #783
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    War EV charging never changes :pac:

    Id be too embarrassed to charge with a queue like that. What's the Outlander got, a 11kWh battery? Charging at a max of 12kW/h ? To get 35-40km range. So charging is costing them 1.80+ an hour to charge. Petrol would maybe use 2.5ltrs to cover that 40km, costing under 4 euro. So they either value the environment a whole lot, or they value their time at €2.20/hour. I'm not overly familiar with the Outlander so my figures may be off.

    /Rant (and I was only passing by the charger, not actually needing to charge)


  • #784
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    The battery never really goes below 30 % of 12 kW, newer models have closer to 14 kW.
    From my experience he will get about 6 kWh to 80% into the outlander in 25 minutes, another 25 minutes to 95 %.
    Saving/costs are about right, 3.8 euro for fuel and around 2 for charging.

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  • #785
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Can't believe my eyes. Outlander charging on chademo, leaf charging on AC, and a leaf waiting. How frustrating!

    IMG-20191119-165006.jpg
    at least 2 morons in that photo... I thought paid charging would fix this!
    They (esb) should end the sessions if you are drawing below 20kW


  • #786
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    at least 2 morons in that photo... I thought paid charging would fix this!
    They (esb) should end the sessions if you are drawing below 20kW

    2? I get the Outlander being a moron, but are you saying the Leaf 40 is a moron too, for using the AC? God knows how long the outlander will be there, may as well get some charge in while waiting.


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  • #787
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    2? I get the Outlander being a moron, but are you saying the Leaf 40 is a moron too, for using the AC? God knows how long the outlander will be there, may as well get some charge in while waiting.

    Why is the outlander a moron? In my opinion he is the smart guy, if there was a tesla,leaf and niro all wanting to charge, he could drive on, the other 3 will still be waiting.

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  • #788
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Why is the outlander a moron? In my opinion he is the smart guy, if there was a tesla,leaf and niro all wanting to charge, he could drive on, the other 3 will still be waiting.

    Why is he even charging at all?

    30c a kWh, that tank of a yoke will do 25kWh/100km+ in this weather

    Hes saving cents and wasting his time, use his big engine

    Don't get it


  • #789
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,287 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Why is he even charging at all?

    30c a kWh, that tank of a yoke will do 25kWh/100km+ in this weather

    Hes saving cents and wasting his time, use his big engine

    Don't get it

    might be more concerned about his emissions


  • #790
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If you're interested about your emissions you should not be driving a SUV with two redundant drive trains.


  • #791
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Why is the outlander a moron? In my opinion he is the smart guy, if there was a tesla,leaf and niro all wanting to charge, he could drive on, the other 3 will still be waiting.

    Is your opinion that he's the "smart guy" based on anything?

    I find a person values their time at ~€2.20 an hour to be moronic.


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  • #792
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ted1 wrote: »
    might be more concerned about his emissions

    Few cents more like


  • #793
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    So pricing hasn't been the panacea, surprise surprise.

    Pricing introduction is not the answer, more multi chargers are, we're not going to see any charging habits change, the demand for more chargers is now here and that is the solution


  • #794
    Round Cable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    slave1 wrote: »
    So pricing hasn't been the panacea, surprise surprise.

    Pricing introduction is not the answer, more multi chargers are, we're not going to see any charging habits change, the demand for more chargers is now here and that is the solution

    I don't know about that, anecdotal evidence here, but for the last 2 evenings on the way home, the fast charger at Newlands Cross has been free, while for the last few weeks before that there has been 1, 2 or 3 EVs charging/waiting to charge.


  • #795
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    slave1 wrote: »
    So pricing hasn't been the panacea, surprise surprise.

    Pricing introduction is not the answer, more multi chargers are, we're not going to see any charging habits change, the demand for more chargers is now here and that is the solution

    It seems to be working, if you look at the chargepoint map. I've been randomly checking and there are definitely more chargers available than before fees to charge started.


  • #796
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It will take a little while for the current pricing to sink in.
    I suspect there will be so some who avoided installing home chargers who will now be incentivised to purchase one.


  • #797
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,659 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Round Cable wrote: »
    I don't know about that, anecdotal evidence here, but for the last 2 evenings on the way home, the fast charger at Newlands Cross has been free, while for the last few weeks before that there has been 1, 2 or 3 EVs charging/waiting to charge.

    Same at the Lucan charger, until this week the busiest ESB fast charger in the country. Mostly unoccupied the 10 or so times I have passed it over the past few days.

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  • #798
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I think declaring pricing a failure only a couple of days after it was introduced is a bit of an over-reaction.

    Not everyone will have figured out that they are being charged now. In fact, I'm willing to bet a small number of people with ESB cards haven't realised that their cards no longer work, but don't really know how the charging machines work, and just plug in their cars and hope for the best.


  • #799
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Why is he even charging at all?

    30c a kWh, that tank of a yoke will do 25kWh/100km+ in this weather

    Hes saving cents and wasting his time, use his big engine

    Don't get it

    His cents and his time, around 21.5 kWh. Its not yours to get.

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  • #800
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Is your opinion that he's the "smart guy" based on anything?

    I find a person values their time at ~€2.20 an hour to be moronic.

    What are you driving?

    Yesterday I done 80 km on electric, I sat in a car and charging, should I be a moron and sit in the car not charging?

    I value my time and I value my money, if I have the time I charge, if I don't have the time I don't.

    Moronic is stuck at a charger waiting on another to finish charging, why would you give yourself only one option?

    you do not have to blame locals or freeloaders any more, it was your choice to be stuck at a charger, because of the car you bought,

    i have done 3500 km on 36 liters of petrol = 280 mpg or something like it.

    I find it moronic that your attempt to save money leads you to call others moronic that don't have to wait as you do.

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  • #801
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Yesterday I done 80 km on electric, I sat in a car and charging, should I be a moron and sit in the car not charging?

    ikanseeyou.... kanuseeme... :)
    Black_Knight wrote: »
    IMG-20191119-165006.jpg


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  • #802
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    KCross wrote: »
    ikanseeyou.... kanuseeme... :)


    Ha ha, KCross that was slightly creepy......:D


  • #803
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Kcross and Kanuseeme at the circle K , to be fair Its not me in the picture and if was me in that situation I would move on, another 15 % in 25 minutes not really worth it

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  • #804
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    What are you driving?
    I drive an Ioniq. Not really relevant though, as it's a car that works for my driving habits.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Yesterday I done 80 km on electric, I sat in a car and charging, should I be a moron and sit in the car not charging?

    I value my time and I value my money, if I have the time I charge, if I don't have the time I don't.
    Not sure what point you're making about sitting in the car and not charging. Was that actually you at CircleK?
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Moronic is stuck at a charger waiting on another to finish charging, why would you give yourself only one option?
    I somewhat agree with you regarding sitting a charger and waiting for a space to free up. That person may have bought the wrong tool for the job. Or perhaps they're just on a rare long drive out of the cars electric range and are using the charging network to get back home. I assume they're not waiting for the hell of it, they need to charge. Their circumstances don't give them the option to utilize their time any better. The outlanders setup does.

    If I bought a car that required me to charge at a fast charger everyday, i'd call myself a moron.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    i have done 3500 km on 36 liters of petrol = 280 mpg or something like it.
    Why did you buy a PHEV so? You seem to do plenty of electric driving.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    I find it moronic that your attempt to save money leads you to call others moronic that don't have to wait as you do.

    :confused::confused:
    I don't follow your point. I charge my car at home, when i'm doing more productive things.
    The outlander might be saving money, but i'd assume the owner has skills which pay better than the €2.20/hr they're saving each time they charge at a FCP vs using petrol to drive home and charge. It's akin to me spending many weekends or even taking days off work to do some home DIY, when I could pay someone to do it. It might look as though i'm saving money, but in fact the hours I put in vs the money I saved could indicate i'm wasting money.


  • #805
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    2? I get the Outlander being a moron, but are you saying the Leaf 40 is a moron too, for using the AC? God knows how long the outlander will be there, may as well get some charge in while waiting.
    Moron because he's going to get hit by the overstay fee quicker.
    45 mins at 6kW is not much!
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    what is the rate in Norway or Sweden?

    The only problem I see with charging for charging is, if its expensive it will slow the uptake of EV's, until range increases or cost of fuel increases dramatically.

    Even with charging hubs who wants to wait for a chance to charge and spend 10 euro +

    I can imagine a person thinking to go to a hub because there is 4 chargers there and 11 others doing the same


    In norway it's 25c a min up to 50c a min for 350kW


  • #806
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: Moved the discussion of kWh/time to https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110620580


  • #807
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    /QUOTE]
    Black_Knight wrote: »
    I drive an Ioniq. Not really relevant though, as it's a car that works for my driving habits.

    Just to know more about your logic of labeling people morons.

    Not sure what point you're making about sitting in the car and not charging. Was that actually you at CircleK?

    No it was not me, but I would not be pleased with my picture being posted and being labeled a moron.
    Point I was trying to make is I can charge a phev, when I have the time, I was waiting on someone so I charged on a destination charger for an hour, maybe that guy has the time.
    your point is he is a moron for charging, no other reason giving other than its not worth it, to save a few cents/euro.

    I somewhat agree with you regarding sitting a charger and waiting for a space to free up. That person may have bought the wrong tool for the job. Or perhaps they're just on a rare long drive out of the cars electric range and are using the charging network to get back home. I assume they're not waiting for the hell of it, they need to charge. Their circumstances don't give them the option to utilize their time any better. The outlanders setup does.

    You make an excuse for the EV driver and fail to consider the phev owner,
    Wrong tool for the job indeed, but without knowing every detail you label someone a moron for charging

    so the outlander is still a moron because he bought a car that allows him to avoid said circumstances, while the EV driver maybe had a relaxing drive or just bought the wrong tool

    If I bought a car that required me to charge at a fast charger everyday, i'd call myself a moron.

    Not the only reason if you ask me.


    Why did you buy a PHEV so? You seem to do plenty of electric driving.

    One car household, did not want to be like the 2 leaf's, budget, wanted something big and fugly,
    To be fair, I have had phev watch dog 3 months and it did not record all my trips,I quoted what it recorded. I know I missed a 350 km trip that I got 45 mpg on,
    In total since march 7800 miles and spent 275 euro on petrol, most of which was spent on trips 6 trips to Dublin.



    :confused::confused:
    I don't follow your point. I charge my car at home, when i'm doing more productive things.
    The outlander might be saving money, but i'd assume the owner has skills which pay better than the €2.20/hr they're saving each time they charge at a FCP vs using petrol to drive home and charge. It's akin to me spending many weekends or even taking days off work to do some home DIY, when I could pay someone to do it. It might look as though i'm saving money, but in fact the hours I put in vs the money I saved could indicate i'm wasting money.

    You never used a rapid charger?
    Glad to see you can multitask, did it ever occur to you that the outlander driver is doing the same, point I made earlier, but no the outlander is a moron, its probably better you stay away from anything to do with DIY, giving your limited ability to understand why someone would want to use a charger.

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  • #808
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I'm gonna do my best to reply, but your reply is all hidden in the quote of me. How inconsiderate :pac::pac:
    kanuseeme wrote: »

    Just to know more about your logic of labeling people morons.
    Seems like you were fishing for something to throw back at me. Hope it helped.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    No it was not me, but I would not be pleased with my picture being posted and being labeled a moron.
    Point I was trying to make is I can charge a phev, when I have the time, I was waiting on someone so I charged on a destination charger for an hour, maybe that guy has the time.
    your point is he is a moron for charging, no other reason giving other than its not worth it, to save a few cents/euro.
    Yup. I stand by that. Moronic to give such little value to your time. If you have time to kill, go for it (it's still a waste of your time), but to be inconsiderate to others while doing so... it's not moronic, but i've another word for them.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    You make an excuse for the EV driver and fail to consider the phev owner,
    Wrong tool for the job indeed, but without knowing every detail you label someone a moron for charging

    Sure, I don't know all the details, but nor do you.
    What excuse am I making for the EV? If they don't need to charge and are queuing up to pay more to charge publically than they would at home, then they out moron that outlander. Given that option, i'm going to assume they're queuing because they need to charge. They have no other incentive to wait.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    so the outlander is still a moron because he bought a car that allows him to avoid said circumstances, while the EV driver maybe had a relaxing drive or just bought the wrong tool
    Not sure what a relaxing drive has to do with things. Some of your replies really come out of nowhere.

    But yes, you've hit the nail on the head. The Outlander is "a moron because he bought a car that allows him to avoid said circumstances", yet decides not to in order to save €2.

    "If I bought a car that required me to charge at a fast charger everyday, i'd call myself a moron."
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Not the only reason if you ask me.
    Glad to see you're being an adult about all of this.
    kanuseeme wrote: »

    You never used a rapid charger?

    I do. When I must... unlike this outlander.
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Glad to see you can multitask, did it ever occur to you that the outlander driver is doing the same, point I made earlier, but no the outlander is a moron, its probably better you stay away from anything to do with DIY, giving your limited ability to understand why someone would want to use a charger.

    Never knew the correlation between FCP usage and DIY knowledge. Do tell me more. :rolleyes:

    Not sure what multitasking the outlander could be doing in their car :D, but couldn't they also be doing it at home, and charging on a cheaper rate? Everything points towards the outlander wanting to save the few quid on petrol, in exchange for 30-60minutes of time.


    You really seem to think i'm talking about you in all of this. Sure you're not the CircleK outlander?


  • #809
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Thanks for the reply I know it was a mess.

    Its not me in the outlander,

    many people read and never post here in boards, to dismiss or ridicule a car without any justification for it, can make an impression on them.

    I'm tired, goodnight.

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  • #810
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    many people read and never post here in boards, to dismiss or ridicule a car without any justification for it, can make an impression on them

    No one that I can see is dismissing or ridiculing the Outlander, or indeed, PHEVs in general. They have their place & suit many.

    The issue is a PHEV using the rapid charging network, unnecessarily, while delaying BEV drivers who have no ICE engine to get them to their destination.
    You'll never accept that is wrong, that's clear & you're entitled to your opinion.

    Anyway, I've to pop up to my local rapid charger now, my PHEV's been plugged into the slow AC socket for hours - it'll surely be full by now :D.


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  • #811
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: Guys, try to avoid getting personal on posts, it's one thing calling an anonymous driver in a picture names, but it's another when we start doing it to other posters!


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