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ESB eCars pricing introduction

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭TBi


    Where are these based? Dublin is paid parking regardless of charging other than in train stations

    Last I checked everywhere but Dublin has free EV parking while “charging”.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭innrain


    TBi wrote: »
    Last I checked everywhere but Dublin has free EV parking while “charging”.

    You can't be more wrong.
    Dublin City https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/parking-dublin-city-centre/electric-vehicle-charging
    Fingal
    https://www.fingal.ie/sites/default/files/2019-11/fcc-draft-parking-bye-laws-2019.pdf
    It says draft. Go to page 38
    South County - they had public consultation last year to change their 2010 by laws. The proposal included reduced charges for EVs
    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/draft-control-parking-bye-laws-2020
    DLR used to be free while charging for 3h. New bylaws from last year https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/parking_control_bye-laws_2020.pdf kinda removes that.

    It is so unfortunate that there is no national approach to this issue


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I know where I am back when the charge was feee you you did need to have any required parking ticket.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    innrain wrote: »
    You can't be more wrong.
    Dublin City https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/parking-dublin-city-centre/electric-vehicle-charging
    Fingal
    https://www.fingal.ie/sites/default/files/2019-11/fcc-draft-parking-bye-laws-2019.pdf
    It says draft. Go to page 38
    South County - they had public consultation last year to change their 2010 by laws. The proposal included reduced charges for EVs
    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/draft-control-parking-bye-laws-2020
    DLR used to be free while charging for 3h. New bylaws from last year https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/parking_control_bye-laws_2020.pdf kinda removes that.

    It is so unfortunate that there is no national approach to this issue

    In fairness, that’s not really “so wrong”!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭innrain


    Well the OP said it is free to park which not the case specially in DCC. There is a charger in Clontarf in a free parking zone where people got clamped because their charging session ended. So in Dublin you have to pay for parking and actively charge.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    innrain wrote:
    Well the OP said it is free to park which not the case specially in DCC. There is a charger in Clontarf in a free parking zone where people got clamped because their charging session ended. So in Dublin you have to pay for parking and actively charge.

    He said everywhere BUT Dublin ???


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭innrain


    He said everywhere BUT Dublin ???
    Oh sorry. My bad


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    TBi wrote: »
    Last I checked everywhere but Dublin has free EV parking while “charging”.

    County Westmeath has never had free parking for a charging EV


  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Commissar


    I'm sure it's been asked before but ...

    Can I charge my new car for 44 minutes and then just disconnected & reconnect? Or switch to the unit 4 meters away.
    I know the obvious implication is that I'm being a troll, but I was sitting beside 2 empty charge points when I got dinged. It was just too tempting to stay the extra 4 minutes for a nice, round 80%.

    This is just an fyi; I have an external socket at home that's being upgraded with a home charging unit soon. Not to mention it's half the price with night charging set up.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Physically yes, but eCars reserve the right to charge an overstay charge if you are found to be abusing the system in such a manner. However, I'm not sure they have a mechanism to do so.
    If there were two empty charge points next to you, were you on a rapid or a slow charger? I didn't think we had sites with more than 2 rapids yet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭innrain


    https://esb.ie/ecars/price-plans/terms-of-service

    3.3.3.2 Starting another charge on the same Charge Point from the same Account within a nominal time period (5 minutes) following the ending of the first charge.

    Wording is a bit strange but in practice they will manually apply an overstay fee if you stop and start a second time within the 5 minutes mentioned


  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Commissar


    liamog wrote: »
    .... I didn't think we had sites with more than 2 rapids yet.

    You're right - I'm new to eCars and I misread the configuration in the App.

    I'm guessing that I could stay longer inside eating a pizza more than 44:59 if I disconnect using the app rather than coming out to physically remove the connection (assuming that the other charge station is free so I know no-one is waiting).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭innrain


    Well it is actually 45:59 because ... it doesn't say 45 minutes sharp :)
    It was a discrepancy of about 20s as the charger would report active charging session time while the app would start counting from the moment the user initiates the charging. Instead of fiddling with the fw on the chargers they've decided to give away a minute. However, I would not count on this as there is a electro-mechanical disconnect which takes some seconds. Pressing disconnect at :59s does not mean it actually happens as requested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You have to disconnect around :45-:52 to ensure you cut off in that minute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    In my experience, the ESB app is slow enough that you're best not waiting so long. And some of the chargers are extremely slow to communicate with the network too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I wouldnt use the app, I'd disconnect from the charger hardware (or from the Tesla app in my case) as both are much quicker.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I've been wary of using the app. First 2 times I used it, the unlock at the end failed. It was on a slow charger too so no emergency stop. Ended up needing the on call engineer.

    It was the same charger each time, but I've used it via swipe card dozens of times without an issue.

    Only time I used the app since was when I left the card in my pocket rather than in the car and got a grumpy call from my wife who was trying to get connected. She hadn't used the app before so she plugged in and I started it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I wouldn't trust the charger hardware much either tbh — plenty of finicky card readers about. Always give yourself a couple of minutes ahead of the overstay limit to sort it out imo


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