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ESB eCars pricing introduction

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    McGiver wrote: »
    Nope you can't. But it's wrong that you can block any charger for a minute.

    So if you did that for whatever reason, at the wrong time, you could start someone else's charge? And pay for it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    The conclusion so far from the discussion on this thread is that at the moment you could start and stop a charge by downloading the page from the eCar website (hopefully when you are at the charger!) and soon you will have an app for your phone that you can use, but both will require an internet connection. This, as far as I can tell, is far from certain, given that many of the fast chargers are deliberately sited outside of the main urban areas, around the start of major roads or motorways - places that often have poor mobile signals from some or all of the main providers. The chargers themselves need to communicate of course, I wonder how they do that? In England the Ecotricity fast chargers on the motorways have, or had, a wi-fi connection that could be used to operate the Ecotricity app to start or stop a charge. I wonder if ESB is considering doing the same thing in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    All the chargers communicate via the mobile network so if they can "call home" you should have no issue using your mobile at the same location.

    Personally I'll use the eCars swipe card if I need to use the network and that card will always be in the car. Just swipe it and away you go, no faffing around with loading apps.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    KCross wrote: »
    All the chargers communicate via the mobile network so if they can "call home" you should have no issue using your mobile at the same location.

    Personally I'll use the eCars swipe card if I need to use the network and that card will always be in the car. Just swipe it and away you go, no faffing around with loading apps.

    My first choice is to use the app as that way I can see the charging session. I do hope eCars have set up the system to either freevend when comms are down or will be loading a whitelist of all the issued rfid cards.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Found myself with the three dashes in my L30 and as passing the fast charger last night hooked up one last time for some free juice, surprised to see the car taking 67 47 and only when it reached 80% did it drop to around 39 when I disconnected and headed home.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    slave1 wrote: »
    Found myself with the three dashes in my L30 and as passing the fast charger last night hooked up one last time for some free juice, surprised to see the car taking 67 and only when it reached 80% did it drop to around 39 when I disconnected and headed home.

    67 kW? Impossible no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    JPA wrote: »
    67 kW? Impossible no?

    Given that the charger is incapable of delivering 67kw and even if it could, the car is incapable of receiving it, I'd go with impossible too, lol.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Classic example of people still believing the meter for the charger is the energy going in to the car.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Duh, early morning typo guys:P, I'm not thick, it was 47 which is perfect including inefficiency both ends, as you know the leaf can only take 43 and the charger can only give 50, my post was (to be) more about the 39 at the 80% mark which I thought was good given the temps outside etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    slave1 wrote: »
    Duh, early morning typo guys:P, I'm not thick, it was 47 which is perfect including inefficiency both ends, as you know the leaf can only take 43 and the charger can only give 50, my post was (to be) more about the 39 at the 80% mark which I thought was good given the temps outside etc.

    Out of the 4 Leafs, the 30kWh version seems to be the best fast charger by far, even at high states of charge.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    I have wondered on this thread before, got no response, so I will wonder again, does anybody from ESB eCars bother to look at this thread, or similar threads on Boards Ireland? Have the moderators ever tried to suggest that they look at them? perhaps they observe 'incognito', I hope so. It would seem an enourmous pity that in 2019 an enterprise such as ESB ecars which is trying to be 'cutting edge' and spending huge new amounts of government funds, did not try to listen to the views of a knowledgeable and, I would say, largely supportive, consumer group such as the people who have signed up to this thread. Moderators, have you tried to invite ESB in? ESB - anybody there?

    The posts on this thread over the last 2 or 3 weeks should have been very helpful to ESB, but perhaps they have just been missed. Instead they will soon be sending us all a 'survey monkey' type questionnaire with 4 pre-coded responses to get our views on their new app I suppose.

    Now, to get to my gripes with the new online map, in addition to the various suggestions already made on this forum/thread. I have a trip planned in my 40kWh Leaf tomorrow from Belturbet, Co Cavan, to Waterford via Dublin, and back, so I would like to get it right. I have rarely been to Waterford, or down the M9, so this is new territory. I sat tonight to look at the new ecars map to plan my trip. Oh NO! - The new map does NOT GIVE THE EIRCODE for the charge points, why not for hecks sake? In England, most of the charge points have a postcode (which is less specific than an Eircode) and I have found that enourmously helpful. But on the new map, there is no Eircode. OK, perhaps ESB will say that Eircodes are only for buildings, and some car park chargers have no Eircode - that is playing with detail I suggest. Surely all of the Circle K filling stations where many of the CHAdeMO chargers are located have Eircodes?, surely almost all of the car parks or street based chargers are close to a building with an Eircode? Instead, ESB have tried to build in 'directions to charger' on their new map. For the 22kW AC chargers in the Viking Triangle in Waterford that I am heading to tomorrow, I found this pretty unhelpful - "turn in to Merchants Quay, pass two roundabouts and the charger is on your right", surprising that the street address for the charger is Parnell Street, not Merchant's Quay! - Why oh Why could they not have put the EirCode for the building/shop nearest the charger on the map and allowed me to use my own Google Maps on my iPad or whatever to locate it? I will of course do my homework tonight, and use Google Maps to get the Eircodes of the Circle K filling stations and possibly the car park charger near Merchants Quay/Parnell Street, Waterford, - but why should I have to do that?

    Next little gripe, might sound trivial, but if the new map wants to be up -to date and simple, particularly perhaps for ecar owning tourists to Ireland (are there any? I suspect they will be coming, at least the Norwegians!), why oh why do they stiill, in Novermber 2019, on their new map refer to the location of their chargers as Circle K/Topaz filling station? Wikipedia says "In June 2018, The Topaz brand was replaced by Circle K", THE BRAND CHANGED 18 MONTHS AGO GUYS - WHY IS ESB THE ONLY ONE CONTINUING TO PROMOTE THE OBSOLETE BRAND? - IS THIS WHAT CIRCLE K WANTS?

    I think there are 10 or 50 or 200 real users of e-cars and users of the ESB charging stations contributing to this and similar threads, and all of them would love to contribute their experiences and practical suggestions. Is ESB listening?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Is ESB listening?

    No


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,837 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    snip

    If you select the charge point in the map, you can then select Google maps which will give you directions straight there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    JPA wrote: »
    If you select the charge point in the map, you can then select Google maps which will give you directions straight there.

    Great, I sort of saw that, and sort of missed it. Ok, great, and I will use that, but it does not answer my question of why ESB carefully avoided including an Eircode (a Government funded multi-million euro project which was billed as changing the way that everyone locates places in Ireland) on the location of their charge- points, and yet found the space to include the 18 month old changed name of the filling station network (Canadian owned) that many of their fast charges are located at. I might be wrong, will try later, but it still seems to be a 'multi-stage' process to actually get the coordinates for a charge point easily that I can use on my SatNav or iPad with Google Maps, I have driven my Leaf around much of Ireland for the last 2 years and across on the ferry to Holyhead and Cairnryan and down to the southernmost part of England and back several times, and, in England (sorry - the Dis-United Kingdom), I rely on having a simple piece of paper with a list of post-codes on it for the location of Ecotricity charge points that I will most probably need to use and that has always served me well, generally finding my car 2 metres away from the charge point when the app says 'you have reached your destination'. In Ireland, and sometimes but less frequently in the DUK, I fear finding myself in a 'no mobile provider' dessert just when I need to access a critical app to find where I am trying to get to. I have two different mobile subscriptions to try to minimise this happening, but they do not always work (starting just outside of the gate to my house in Belturbet- which is a real mobile dessert!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    No

    Ok, so are we all OK with that? I get the sense that ESB e-cars is using public money, and it would seem to me that we are a fairly well informed and well experienced sub-set of the public, so are we just going to sit back and say- too bad, ESB is not tuned in, too bad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Ok, so are we all OK with that? I get the sense that ESB e-cars is using public money, and it would seem to me that we are a fairly well informed and well experienced sub-set of the public, so are we just going to sit back and say- too bad, ESB is not tuned in, too bad?

    I'm far from OK with ecars. I'm surprised they haven't blocked me on Facebook given how much I moan at them.

    But they answer to nobody.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Re: topaz/circleK rant

    Why not? I hear people mention "statoil" when they reference older stations which would of for a long time been known as statoil. Its familiar and it might just help someone when trying to find a charging station.

    Not like I've visited many petrol stations in the last year. Giving me the old name could be helpful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    Re: topaz/circleK rant

    Why not? I hear people mention "statoil" when they reference older stations which would of for a long time been known as statoil. Its familiar and it might just help someone when trying to find a charging station.

    Not like I've visited many petrol stations in the last year. Giving me the old name could be helpful.

    The answer to 'Why not' is in my earlier thread. If they have the space to give the life history of all of the former names of Circle K, great, but they seem not to have enough space on their map to put in the Government funded single most helpful code to locate every single building/point in Ireland, that is why not!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,341 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Re: topaz/circleK rant

    Why not? I hear people mention "statoil" when they reference older stations which would of for a long time been known as statoil. Its familiar and it might just help someone when trying to find a charging station.

    Not like I've visited many petrol stations in the last year. Giving me the old name could be helpful.

    Indeed, always useful.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Northumberland


    Hi, sorry for a dumb question perhaps, but I have tried three times to downolad the new e-cars map/app on my ipad, each time deleting the old app that i have used for a year, and downloading again from the app store. Each time the same old app is loaded. I see people on this forum (different thread I think - missed it), commenting on how the new app works - or does not. Have they actually downloaded the app? how? or are they just using the map/app avaiable from teh ESB website?


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,784 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    People are using the browser version, the new app isn't available yet.

    Any word on if the charging for charging has actually gone live yet I wonder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    I had to use the charger at Ballacolla (M8 J3) this morning and the site is displaying the fact that I charged correctly but also indicated that no cost was incurred.Has anyone else tried yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I had to use the charger at Ballacolla (M8 J3) this morning and the site is displaying the fact that I charged correctly but also indicated that no cost was incurred.Has anyone else tried yet?
    Ah, so they fecked up... quelle surprise


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Ah, so they fecked up... quelle surprise

    I was quite happy to pay as well..now I was using the AC43 as I have a Zoe.I really hope that charging using the AC side isn't free or I can kiss goodbye to being able to use an FCP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I was quite happy to pay as well..now I was using the AC43 as I have a Zoe.I really hope that charging using the AC side isn't free or I can kiss goodbye to being able to use an FCP.
    For sure. I wouldnt like to be in a Zoe if the AC is not pay to use when the DC is.



    Everything still showing as "free" online
    Looks like they havent implemented it yet


  • Moderators Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Ah, so they fecked up... quelle surprise

    But has the fear of fees stopped the freeloaders? That's the real goal here


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's not stopped the usual Leaf driver at Blanch.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Haha just reloaded to see if it's still connected, website is now showing 29c/kWh


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,784 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    So it's gone live then? I wonder how many EV drivers out there don't even know about the charges coming in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    ELM327 wrote:
    Ah, so they fecked up... quelle surprise

    Drumroll....and fail :)

    Irish state governance in practice.


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