The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

It'll be easier to judge both teams in 4 weeks when they've both played the Saints/Ravens and each other.

For me the 49ers defence has definitely been incredibly good but against inferior opposition and a very soft schedule thus far with their stand out wins against a Steelers and Panthers teams playing with back up Qbs and a Rams team that have been a bit off.

While the Seahawks havent been impervious at home you can hardly say they too much about losing to the Saints and Ravens. Again the Seahawks schedule without those two games has been pretty soft. In fact both teams have won all the games they should have won.

We'll have a better idea in a month, how good both teams actually are.

We will definitely know much more in a few weeks.

Being division rivals they have a number of overlapping opponents and the tweet below, that I shared a few weeks ago in the 49ers thread, shows how much more convincing the 49ers have been.

https://twitter.com/Wittnessed/status/1183624251183489024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1183624251183489024&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2056711799%26page%3D31

Since then the Seahawks went to OT with the Buccs who the 49ers beat by 14 and the 49ers beat the Cardinals by 3 who the Seahawks beat by 17.

A win is a win but the manner of most of them so far is very different. Hard to tell yet if the 49ers are just big bullies against the weaker teams or if this superiority will translate against the tougher competition to come. Monday will give us more direction.

adrian522 wrote: »

Interestingly the 49ers have beaten 3 teams with offenses ranked in the top 10 in points per game. Pretty much shut them all down. 49ers pass defense has been outstanding against teams that have put up serious points against other teams.

By the way those back up QB's you mention have gone a combined 8-4.

The Rams also have been pretty good, beating the Saints (holding them to 9 points) and losing to Seattle very narrowly (missing a last minute FG).

This idea that the 49ers are 8-0 because of a soft schedule just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I think it pretty evident that the 49ers have played a very soft schedule to date and it's a contributing factor to them being 8-0, not the only reason obviously as the 49ers have also played really well.

But personally I think that it does stand up to some scrutiny, the 49ers have played 8 teams who are a combined 22-43. They've played two teams with a winning record both of whom are 5-3.

5 of the teams they've played are in the bottom 8 teams in the league this year.

adrian522 wrote: »

Well plenty of teams have played a "soft" schedule over the years and very few get to 8-0. I have been hearing it all season how the next team was when SF were going to lose because they hadn't played a good team yet.

First it was Tampa, then it was Cleveland, then it was the Rams, then it was Carolina, now its Seattle. At what point do people start looking at SF as one of the best teams in the league (which they are).

https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1188591754309619712

I hate the soft schedule argument. It's why some don't rank the 1972 dolphins over the 1985 bears because the dolphins schedule in 72 wasn't that hard but the point was hard or soft the dolphins won all their games.

On the point about the 49ers they have beaten all the teams on their schedule up to week 10. I mean already teams who on paper should have won games have lost to worse teams. The 49er should be on top of the power rankings because they are undefeated so far. I've picked the 49ers to win on Monday night because as good as the seahawks have been I just think the 49ers are better and the 49ers defence is all time good if you go by the stats compared to other great defences.

adrian522 wrote: »

Well plenty of teams have played a "soft" schedule over the years and very few get to 8-0. I have been hearing it all season how the next team was when SF were going to lose because they hadn't played a good team yet.

First it was Tampa, then it was Cleveland, then it was the Rams, then it was Carolina, now its Seattle. At what point do people start looking at SF as one of the best teams in the league (which they are).

https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1188591754309619712

The 49ers are one of the best teams in the league, as are the seahawks. Just talking about comparing both and in a month they'll have played each other and the 49ers will have played Baltimore and the saints, both genuine Superbowl contenders.

Foxtrol wrote: »

You seem to have 2 separate points. The one in the post above, which I'd say nearly everyone agrees with, and then the other where in Week 10 you're still going on about a 'very soft schedule' standing up to scrutiny.

If you follow the latter point through for every team you would end up questioning whether there is a single good team in the league.

• Patriots so far have had the easiest schedule out of likely contenders and just lost to 'a 5-2 team' at the time.
• Ravens lost to one of the bottom 8 teams in the league that you claimed were one of the 49ers easy games.
• Saints lost to one of the 5-3 teams that you questioned the 9ers on (a 31 point swing).
• Seahawks lost to both Saints and Ravens and have performed much worse when their opponents overlap with the 49ers.
• Texans lost to the other 5-3 team you questioned the 9ers about (a 19 point swing).
• Chief lost to that Texans team.
• Packers were just heavily defeated by a 4-6 team.

Before people start coming at me, I understand that there are explanations for every one of the above and I judge teams on their overall performances rather than looking at their opponents record.

At this point I'm not sure what win would stop that nonsense but at some stage, possibly this Monday, the 49ers will lose and everyone who similarly questioned them before facing 'a real team' like prior to the Browns, Rams, Panthers, and now Seahawks will claim to have been right all along. Stopped clocks and all that. As a fan I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts

I think we all look at things differently, obviously you and Adrian are fans of the 49ers and completely justified in your excitemwnt on what has been a terrific and i think somewhat unexpected season.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I would definitely be lieing if I said I thought the 49ers would be 8-0 at this point in the season but I did think they'd be 6-2/ 5-3 or there abouts(steelers and rams being my picks probably), because they had a pretty soft schedule. I dont think that's revisionist in anyway.

I think the division and season will tell its own tale. But I'll put my own opinion on record I don't think the 49ers will be good enough to win the NFC , just my opinion mind you and I think they'll finish with 4 losses by week 17.

The league is all sorts of crazy right now though just like the Titans beating the Chiefs yesterday and the Falcons beating the Saints. Although quite often division rivals are built to play each other and the 2-7 Falcons are far more talented than their record indicates, they just managed to put it all together yesterday for the first time all year.

In no way am I saying the 49ers are a bad team and I really wish we could have a discussion without it needing to be everyone jumping up on down on one side or the other. Also I would absolutely love to see the 49ers win it all not that it should make a difference (no chance for the Redskins) and would love to see something different 49ers, Bills, Chiefs , Vikings.

What I’m calling revisionist are the people who were building the Browns, Rams, and Panthers up as tests for the 49ers and because they beat them convincingly they now downplay them to fit their narrative, such as labeling them as ‘5-3’ teams. Admittedly, the Browns have fallen away but at the time they were just coming off putting up 40 points on the road in beating the Ravens.

The league is crazy every year though, which is why going 8-0 shouldn’t be belittled as being largely due to a ‘very soft’ schedule. There are very small margins between most teams and it only takes one team not being quite up for it, one poor decision, or the ball bouncing the wrong direction to lose a game. Ravens, Chiefs, Saints, Bills, Colts, Packers, Cowboys have all had loses this year to poor or losing record teams and the Seahawks had several close calls. From some commentary regarding the 49ers schedule you’d nearly be forgiven for thinking it is worse to beat the teams you are supposed to than it is to lose to one.

I don’t see saying that 49ers going 12-4 for the season is really going out on a limb. To me saying they’ll go 0.500 in their remaining games doesn’t support the opinion you’re pushing that they’ve had things so easy and that’s changing drastically now.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

We 'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I think saying they'll go .500 the rest of the way is saying their schedule gets tougher, definitely supports the theory that in my opinion they have had a soft schedule and mind you that's just in my opinion.

I'm actually really looking forward to tonight. Should be a good game.

At this stage I just want it to be kick-off. Despite how frustrating it is to go against Wilson at least twice a year it was a great rivalry during the peak Harbaugh years.

Lots of different ways this game can go given the strengths and weaknesses but my biggest hope is that the commentary isn't too bad. It has turned me off watching MNF when it isn't a good game.

Where can I watch the 49ers game tonight. I have a 300 euro accumulator riding on them (-6.5)

FYI, this year's playoff machine is now live.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

jack presley wrote: »

So the Colin Kaepernick workout seems to be going swimmingly with no drama.......

It was an nfl pr stunt nothing more imo. If a team was interested they'd bring him in. It was to be glorified pro day to show and nfl qb can throw a ball. Nonsense

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It was a PR stunt by the NFL, and by Kap. He’s just ensured that he’s out of the league permanently, and I’m now glad he is.
He took the money from the NFL (and not the 10’s of millions his team tried to spin). He wants to work in the NFL, but not by theirs rules (which is fine, but just p!ss off if you don’t and do some real activism).
The NFL is the 32 owners (as much as we may wish it wasn’t). It’s their league. Their rules. It sucks, but either abide or move on, like others have to do in their jobs.

What rules? There are no rules or precedent for how in-season workouts will go.

Strange but not surprising how many of the same fans that complain when the NFL enforce actual 'rules' in other situations that has impact on their team but now tell Kaep to blindly accept them here.