Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

16-08-2019 4:10pm

News I'm sure Sam will be happy with

Shane Archbold

took a win today.

jimbobaloobob · 16-08-2019 8:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

News I'm sure Sam will be happy with
Shane Archbold
took a win today.

Is it likely he will transfer with Sam?

RobFowl · 16-08-2019 10:01pm

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

Is it likely he will transfer with Sam?

I'd be shocked if he didn't...

Macy0161 · 19-08-2019 9:56am

A bit late, but caught up with the final stage of Brink Bank this morning. Great to see Sam hanging on/ getting back until the last lap of the final stage of the Brink Bank Tour, which was 3 times over the Muur (twice to the top). I definitely feel there's untapped classics potential in there... Walked the points jersey.

Beasty · 19-08-2019 10:58am

Macy0161 wrote: »

Walked the points jersey.

Shirley that's cheatin'

:pac:

CramCycle · 19-08-2019 11:12am

It's not cheating, and don't call me Shirley

CrowdedHouse · 24-08-2019 1:00pm

Good article by Shane Stokes

https://www.velonews.com/2019/08/news/why-sam-bennett-feels-disposable-in-todays-worldtour-sprint-game_499864

MPFGLB · 24-08-2019 4:53pm

Not sure Deceuninck-Quick-Step is the best palce for him if he wants Tour success ...they wil lbe 100% focused next year on JAP GC battle imo

24-08-2019 5:26pm

DQS won't have the support in place on time for an attempt at GC next year, already confirmed by Lefevre. Alaphillipe's focus will be again on the classics and also a shot at the Tour of Flanders.

c.p.w.g.w · 26-08-2019 4:24pm

Sam takes stage 3

happytramp · 27-08-2019 5:48pm

Okay Vuelta specialists and master tacticians.... What, if anything, can Sam do to win the red Jersey?

brocbrocach · 27-08-2019 5:52pm

happytramp wrote: »

Okay Vuelta specialists and master tacticians.... What, if anything, can Sam do to win the red Jersey?

Ask Nico for it?
Do you mean the points jersey?

Today showed the value of being with Quickstep, they don't make mistakes much at all. Signing with them might make Sam the undisputed top sprinter.

MPFGLB · 27-08-2019 5:59pm

happytramp wrote: »

Okay Vuelta specialists and master tacticians.... What, if anything, can Sam do to win the red Jersey?

Get a Colombian flag and try and pass himself off as Quintana

cunavalos · 27-08-2019 6:17pm

If he really wants a red jersey. Join Sunweb

If we are talking about the points classification it will be very difficult. The Vuelta unlike the Tour offers the same points for a Stage win regardless of terrain. In contrast the Tour offers double points for Sprint or Flat stages meaning by being consistent in all the flat stages gives you an upper hand over the GC guys.

With a maximum of 3 sprint stages left it may be difficult for Sam to gain enough points to stay ahead of a GC guy unless the GC guys share out victories amongst each other or we have lots of random breakaway winners.
For example in 2017 Trentin won four stages, was second once and had another top 10 but still lost out to Froome in the points classification.

Intermediate sprints are only worth an additional 4 points and tend to get mopped up by the breakaway or are too close to the Stage finish to allow for a sprinter to compete for both the Intermediate Sprint and the Stage Win.

happytramp · 27-08-2019 6:20pm

Ha ha yeah, getting my Jersey colours mixed up.

gman2k · 28-08-2019 7:41am

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/vuelta-a-espana/sam-bennett-battle-free-bora-hansgrohe-according-sources-435755

Miklos · 28-08-2019 1:46pm

I can't help but feel that's very poor on Bora's part, they don't want to give him the opportunities he deserves and they don't want to allow him to get them elsewhere.

TheBlaaMan · 28-08-2019 8:31pm

gman2k wrote: »

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/vuelta-a-espana/sam-bennett-battle-free-bora-hansgrohe-according-sources-435755

That article sounds odd. He is supposed to have signed an offer letter in May, just before the Giro that he wasnt chosen for and 4 months after he learned that fact? If he did, it must have been without any input from his advisors. A very strange thing to have done.

martyc5674 · 28-08-2019 10:01pm

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

That article sounds odd. He is supposed to have signed an offer letter in May, just before the Giro that he wasnt chosen for and 4 months after he learned that fact? If he did, it must have been without any input from his advisors. A very strange thing to have done.

I wonder are the leg pains he’s feeling his way out of this GT early. Three early sprint stages to shine, then 2 fingers to Bora.

gman2k · 07-09-2019 4:31pm

Another GT stage win in the bag!

Keeks · 17-09-2019 10:14am

So what is the latest with Sam...is he staying or going?

Finnrocco · 17-09-2019 10:34am

Sam got 380.5 points for slogging around Spain for three weeks, Greg Van Aver got 825 points last weekend in Canada.

Viviani got 700 for London & Hamburg.

The vagaries of the UCI points system.

Mefistofelino · 17-09-2019 11:11am

Finnrocco wrote: »

Sam got 380.5 points for slogging around Spain for three weeks, Greg Van Aver got 825 points last weekend in Canada.

Viviani got 700 for London & Hamburg.

The vagaries of the UCI points system.

Unfair, but it's not like this is a surprise to the teams. If they are looking to maximise points from the least amount of racing, they know what they need to do.

Slightly (but not really) O/T - I remember when the current points system was being rolled out. David Harmon was co-commentating with Kelly and getting really wound up about the unfairness of the system, saying that you'd get the same amount of points for Paris Nice as you would for Paris Roubaix.

"It's unfair Sean, isn't it?"
"Wouldn't have bothered me much"
"Why?
"I'd have won them both"

dastardly00 · 17-09-2019 12:32pm

Finnrocco wrote: »

Sam got 380.5 points for slogging around Spain for three weeks, Greg Van Aver got 825 points last weekend in Canada.

Viviani got 700 for London & Hamburg.

The vagaries of the UCI points system.

I remember Sam getting bucket loads of points for his Tour of Turkey stage wins in the last few years and the competition there would have been below average

c.p.w.g.w · 17-09-2019 7:13pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

I remember Sam getting bucket loads of points for his Tour of Turkey stage wins in the last few years and the competition there would have been below average

That's mad, he won 2 stages and finished 2nd on 4 stages

harringtonp · 17-09-2019 7:55pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

That's mad, he won 2 stages and finished 2nd on 4 stages

Does make the mind boggle alright

Finnrocco · 19-09-2019 10:23am

dastardly00 wrote: »

I remember Sam getting bucket loads of points for his Tour of Turkey stage wins in the last few years and the competition there would have been below average

This year for 2 stage wins, 2nd on 1 and 3rd on 2, plus leading GC for a few days, plus green jersey he got 127 points!

250 for 2nd in London.

Bauhaus got 125 there the other day for a race in Italy.

RobFowl · 19-09-2019 7:18pm

The UCI points system is all over the place, they changed it back in the days of Cav at his best when he won bucket loads of stages.
Was an attempt to re-balance the playing field.
Seems poor now and you only need to look at the top 50 in the rankings and some of the surprising names there to work out it needs revision.
That said the points system will never be perfect.

Eamonnator · 19-09-2019 8:43pm

UCI rankings.

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rankings.php

cunavalos · 21-09-2019 3:22pm

According to a Belgian newspaper, the UCI have determined that Sam is still under contract to Bora for 2020 so either he stays or Sam and/or new team will have to buy out his contract. I expect this to drag on for a couple of weeks yet.
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https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190921_04620440?articlehash=5EFE192332435D655C8071B4C2B0210E43265C51431A6741137549262345C2798E9E4A52555AE0BFF9C5ED6247291D5EEBC989B4ED0D5E8FEFB016C75B688A02

Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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