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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • #6102
    D9Male
    Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭D9Male


    The Tipp sprint coach isn't on the Premier list above.


  • #6103
    greenspurs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Didnt think you were having a pop.
    Is it really that surprising though. Take into account all the physios, docs etc needed and then coaches and then additional people like video/performance staff and the numbers quickly go up

    I mentioned this last year, after I was at a senior camogie match that involved Dublin.
    They had about 12 on the sideline, using video cameras, ipads, notebooks etc.. Crazy stuff.

    Also , mentioned at the same match, the amount of 'maor's and water bottle carriers invading the pitch whenever there was a free or a player down... its a fecking epidemic now !
    Was at the clubs minor championship the other night , and it was the same ! Underage players with water bottles for the Minors on the pitch, must have been about 6 boys&girls running on !!!
    Stupidity !:rolleyes:
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  • #6104
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    Has all this 'professionalism' made hurling a more/less entertaining spectacle?


  • #6105
    Cornerback1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Didnt think you were having a pop.
    Is it really that surprising though. Take into account all the physios, docs etc needed and then coaches and then additional people like video/performance staff and the numbers quickly go up

    I heard on one of them podcasts that they have 2 buses - one for the players and one for the management. If these numbers stack up, then it's probably true.

    On an aside, with numbers like that on a practical side, where do they all go. Surely there's not enough room in a changing room. Or do they all just go to training and only the key people go to matches?

    The way it's going at GAA inter-county level now is crazy. Started by the Dubs, then everyone follows. It's like other counties need to do this to be successful as they see this as the way to go. It'll be worse next year and it's going to put smaller counties in bother re: money. On the other hand, players will say, ah, we don't have a professional set-up, like county X, Y or Z, so I'll not be playing this year.

    It's like American football now with offensive coaches and defensive coaches etc.

    Where will it stop?
    Will it stop?
    More importantly, does the GAA at the highest level want it to stop?


  • #6106
    greenspurs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    holyhead wrote: »
    Has all this 'professionalism' made hurling a more/less entertaining spectacle?

    Depends on how you define "entertaining" ?

    More scores? yes.
    More scoring from the Half backs? yes

    More clinical defending (second arm etc)? yes
    Very few wides? yes
    Very fit,mobile man mountains playing the game? yes
    Under age players having to use S&C? yes
    Players that "will have to bulk up"? yes


    So, I don't know. Are all the Yes's above entertaining in a game of hurling?? :rolleyes:
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  • #6107
    Ceist_Beag
    Registered Users Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    6 performance analysts in the Tipp backroom team :eek:
    Surely there is such a thing as information overload...


  • #6108
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭kk.man


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Depends on how you define "entertaining" ?

    More scores? yes.
    More scoring from the Half backs? yes

    More clinical defending (second arm etc)? yes
    Very few wides? yes
    Very fit,mobile man mountains playing the game? yes
    Under age players having to use S&C? yes
    Players that "will have to bulk up"? yes


    So, I don't know. Are all the Yes's above entertaining in a game of hurling?? :rolleyes:

    Excellent post....that's hurling now. I was looking at TG4 GGA Gold the other night. It was the 1996 Leinster Final Offally v Wexford. A classic match in its day but the combination of both teams that day wouldn't live with the top 6 or 7 counties in hurling today.


  • #6109
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    Ceist_Beag wrote: »
    6 performance analysts in the Tipp backroom team :eek:
    Surely there is such a thing as information overload...

    a Father and his 2 sons helping him are three of them. Plus you'd need to know what each of them was doing to say if it was too much or not. Could be one of the software developers who just inputs the video. Could be one who only records games and doesnt do the actual analysis. Ray Boyne has a great reputation and Jim Gavin heaps a lot of praise on him with the work he did with Dublin football over the years.


  • #6110
    bamayang
    Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭bamayang


    holyhead wrote: »
    Has all this 'professionalism' made hurling a more/less entertaining spectacle?

    The three things that have appeared over the last number of years that really really irritate me are:
    - Steps, it really has become a joke. No issue with 7 steps now, 10 probably gets a free. And if you are being fouled or tussling with a player, there is no limit. Just blow the bloody thing and people will have to stop over carrying.

    - Throwing handpasses, its a blight in my opinion. No skill to it whatsoever, any idiot can throw a ball. Takes a bit of talent to handpass a ball acurately to someone. Every second handpass in a close game is a throw these days.

    - Worst of all (for me) is the balancing the ball on the hurl for frees. Lee Chin is brutal for it, I cant think of the others who do it, but its so common now for hurlers to roll/jab the ball onto the hurl and then slowly raise the hurl up to hip level before lobbing the ball into the air. Again it annoys me because its dumbing down a good skill, not everyone can master the free taking process and those who can deserve the plaudits.


  • #6111
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭golfball37


    What Limerick and Tipperary are doing is disgusting in an amateur sport. The disconnect between these obscene levels of unnecessary helpers getting paid and someone like me an ordinary club member who does a bit of coaching is staggering. Its not what the GAA ethos is about.


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  • #6112
    citykat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    holyhead wrote: »
    How on earth does a county fund a backroom staff of 27?

    You could always raffle a horse


  • #6113
    Alonzo Moseley
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    bamayang wrote: »
    The three things that have appeared over the last number of years that really really irritate me are:
    - Steps, it really has become a joke. No issue with 7 steps now, 10 probably gets a free. And if you are being fouled or tussling with a player, there is no limit. Just blow the bloody thing and people will have to stop over carrying.

    - Throwing handpasses, its a blight in my opinion. No skill to it whatsoever, any idiot can throw a ball. Takes a bit of talent to handpass a ball acurately to someone. Every second handpass in a close game is a throw these days.

    - Worst of all (for me) is the balancing the ball on the hurl for frees. Lee Chin is brutal for it, I cant think of the others who do it, but its so common now for hurlers to roll/jab the ball onto the hurl and then slowly raise the hurl up to hip level before lobbing the ball into the air. Again it annoys me because its dumbing down a good skill, not everyone can master the free taking process and those who can deserve the plaudits.

    Absolutely couldn't agree more

    The first two are littering hurling but unfortunately, as they are contributing to the high score spectacles, the will isn't there to police them

    It will get to the stage that you wont be able to get a young lad to willingly play in the backs.
    Related: when you see how easily Lawlor was done for peno in Limerick game, I really don't know how anyone volunteers for Full Back in particular in current game.
    15-20 times a game you will see a player simply run around another player with ball in hand in an arc around the player, a distance of never less than 10 metres.

    I defy anyone to tell me how that can be done by even a big mobile Inter county player when even Usain Bolt needs 4.1 strides to cover 10 metres while in full stride, so all these players are fouling

    I'd imagine even a fast inter county player would need at least 7 steps to run around a marker from an almost standing start (field ball uncontested at corner/wing back and scoot around your oncoming marker, lay off hand pass to charging centre back and game on )
    So if you have a bit of speed, you can just run around your marker with ball in hand, a very very simple task.

    The thrown ball is an even bigger curse, oversteps have been with us for decades but throwing the ball is mostly a recent phenomenon.
    I think it is being coached, especially by the best running off the shoulder teams.
    Possibly unfair (but students do spill beans more easily than Inter county lads) but I've heard a few lads say it is "encouraged" at Fitzgibbon level.
    The video boys will have been able to tell management what even 0.1 of a second faster can do in taking out a marker or reducing possibility of handpass being intercepted and most of all, creating the overlap/extra man.

    The game is undoubtedly entertaining right now but some of it is an illusion.
    Brilliantly prepared teams whose back room teams see ways of cultivating edges by exploiting slack refereeing on technical aspects of game.

    Croke Park's fear of course is that if even the above two are absolutely vigorously enforced, it will lead to a litany of frees and reduce entertainment.
    I think a National League campaign where you see 10-12 frees per game for the two offences above would be a small price to pay and teams would quickly stop.

    These two blights are reducing great traditional hurling skills of hooking and blocking as both these fouls usually put hooking out of range.
    You cant hook someone who has just run 10 yards at full speed past you with the ball never leaving his hand

    The huge coaching and anaylsis side of game is primarily there to see how teams can create space for themselves, but some off what is being done to achieve that is undoubtedly identify and then exploit unpoliced rules

    Right, that's my Wed morning rant over, time for a coffee!


  • #6114
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    greenspurs wrote: »
    I mentioned this last year, after I was at a senior camogie match that involved Dublin.
    They had about 12 on the sideline, using video cameras, ipads, notebooks etc.. Crazy stuff.

    Also, mentioned at the same match, the amount of 'maor's and water bottle carriers invading the pitch whenever there was a free or a player down... its a fecking epidemic now!
    Was at the clubs minor championship the other night, and it was the same! Underage players with water bottles for the Minors on the pitch, must have been about 6 boys&girls running on!!!
    Stupidity!:rolleyes:
    I dont see whats wrong with having more people involved with teams. The hours put in by players is being backed up by work at the sidelines.
    holyhead wrote: »
    Has all this 'professionalism' made hurling a more/less entertaining spectacle?
    Not at all. Has hurling not still been an exceptionally entertaining spectacle in recent years even with all changes in how teams are prepared.
    Cornerback1 wrote: »
    I heard on one of them podcasts that they have 2 buses - one for the players and one for the management. If these numbers stack up, then it's probably true.

    On an aside, with numbers like that on a practical side, where do they all go. Surely there's not enough room in a changing room. Or do they all just go to training and only the key people go to matches?

    The way it's going at GAA inter-county level now is crazy. Started by the Dubs, then everyone follows. It's like other counties need to do this to be successful as they see this as the way to go. It'll be worse next year and it's going to put smaller counties in bother re: money. On the other hand, players will say, ah, we don't have a professional set-up, like county X, Y or Z, so I'll not be playing this year.

    It's like American football now with offensive coaches and defensive coaches etc.

    Where will it stop?
    Will it stop?
    More importantly, does the GAA at the highest level want it to stop?
    All wouldnt need to be in the dressing room like you dont see it in many other sports. Certain people have specific roles on match day that means theyre not near dressing room
    Did it really start with Dublin and why should it have to stop? Why would GAA want it to stop?
    Ceist_Beag wrote: »
    6 performance analysts in the Tipp backroom team :eek:
    Surely there is such a thing as information overload...
    Depends on what their roles are. Some most likely are just focusing on specific issues so isnt really info overload.
    golfball37 wrote: »
    What Limerick and Tipperary are doing is disgusting in an amateur sport. The disconnect between these obscene levels of unnecessary helpers getting paid and someone like me an ordinary club member who does a bit of coaching is staggering. Its not what the GAA ethos is about.
    Disgusting?
    And most counties are doing similar in some form or another with getting the best people to prepare county side to try win and you cant compare it to club coaching


  • #6115
    Boom__Boom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    bruschi wrote: »
    a Father and his 2 sons helping him are three of them. Plus you'd need to know what each of them was doing to say if it was too much or not. Could be one of the software developers who just inputs the video. Could be one who only records games and doesnt do the actual analysis. Ray Boyne has a great reputation and Jim Gavin heaps a lot of praise on him with the work he did with Dublin football over the years.

    I'd seen the article on the back-room team of 27 and was listening to Callanan's speech accepting the cup - in the speech Boyne and his two sons were referred as the stats guys whereas the other 3 were referred to as the video analysis guys.

    From my reading of things and an article on Boyne in the last few weeks (think it was the Examiner/ not 100%) it sounded as if Boyne and his sons were simply providing the raw numbers/stats and leaving it for the video analysis guys to interpret the numbers and use it to feed strategy/tactics and coaching.


  • #6116
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    golfball37 wrote: »
    What Limerick and Tipperary are doing is disgusting in an amateur sport. The disconnect between these obscene levels of unnecessary helpers getting paid and someone like me an ordinary club member who does a bit of coaching is staggering. Its not what the GAA ethos is about.

    Hi golfball, back after my ban, how was your all-ireland final weekend? Hope you will know in future not to question tipps mentality when facing kilkenny in finals, the stats simply do not bear out any indication that tipp buckle under kilkenny pressure like you and other s have suggested. League games do not matter and any knowledgeable hurling man will tell you that.


  • #6117
    Rebelside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Rebelside


    golfball37 wrote: »
    What Limerick and Tipperary are doing is disgusting in an amateur sport. The disconnect between these obscene levels of unnecessary helpers getting paid and someone like me an ordinary club member who does a bit of coaching is staggering. Its not what the GAA ethos is about.

    Another thing it’s about is promoting hurling & football equally


  • #6118
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    ...the stats simply do not bear out any indication that tipp buckle under kilkenny pressure like you and other s have suggested...

    Any indication ? Bit of an exaggeration there.

    You yourself have described 2012 as an 'implosion' and a 'debacle'.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110810439&postcount=7606


  • #6119
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    I meant finals as in championship finals, tipp lead the way 12-8 and now its 3-3 with codys teams, we are back to the ratio that was there after the 91 final. Golfball was saying kilkenny have a hex on tipp and i think most kilkenny folk will agree that simply is not true. League games do not matter and everybody knows that. TBH the few kilkenny folk i have met since the final have been quite gracious as was i after our defeats. The past decade there have been 30 finals from grades minor up and tipp lead the way with 8 wins from 11, a very good record most would agree.


  • #6120
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Any indication ? Bit of an exaggeration there.

    You yourself have described 2012 as an 'implosion' and a 'debacle'.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110810439&postcount=7606

    And as you can see the context of that post was me saying that tipp always play well in croke park, of the big 3 we have the best win ratio in finals. These are just the facts im pointing out to golfball as his posts were totally dismissive of the actual facts and he was basing all his criticisms of tipp from league games.


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  • #6121
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    And as you can see the context of that post was me saying that tipp always play well in croke park, of the big 3 we have the best win ratio in finals. These are just the facts im pointing out to golfball as his posts were totally dismissive of the actual facts and he was basing all his criticisms of tipp from league games.

    But 2012 was played in Croke Park, so again, you're wrong to say that Tipp always play well in Croke Park. And contradicting your other post on the subject of 2012.

    Secondly, you claim that golfball is 'totally dismissive of the actual facts, and basing all his criticisms of Tipp from League games'.

    Whereas what he/she actually said was -
    The score in 21 games between Tipp and Kilkenny from 09 to now is KK 15 wins Tipp 3.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110969523&postcount=4167

    21 games since 2009 can not be just League games, so all his criticisms can't be based on what you say they are based on, surely ?

    Apart from that, I recall the well-know quote from John Tennyson in 2006 -

    '... if it was the Mickey Mouse cup out there we'd have won that too. We want to win everything'.

    I absolutely can not agree either with your assertion that for example, the League Final of 2009, nobody cared about it.

    Or for that matter, the All-Ireland semi of 2012.

    Plenty games that were not Championship finals have mattered a great deal over the last decade.


  • #6122
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    We simply will have to disagree on whether league games matter, i stand by my comment that the only matches that matter are championship games and in particular finals, also you are golfball are being disingenuous in taking meetings from only 09 to suit your argument, Tipp have a better overall head to head vs kilkenny in championship games. Theses are the facts. Im simply pointing out that golfball saying kilkenny have some sort of a hex on tipp is not backed up by the facts. Tipp have now given 3 serious beatings to kilkenny when it mattered most in finals in the last ten years, its gone to the stage tipp would like to play kilkenny more in finals. You have to go back to 1964 when kilkenny were last beaten by so much again that was tipp that day. Even paudie maher said it after the final that hes happy that its back to 3-3 now, he was talking about finals and thats all that matters.


  • #6123
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    We simply will have to disagree on whether league games matter, i stand by my comment that the only matches that matter are championship games and in particular finals, also you are golfball are being disingenuous in taking meetings from only 09 to suit your argument, Tipp have a better overall head to head vs kilkenny in championship games. Theses are the facts. Im simply pointing out that golfball saying kilkenny have some sort of a hex on tipp is not backed up by the facts. Tipp have now given 3 serious beatings to kilkenny when it mattered most in finals in the last ten years, its gone to the stage tipp would like to play kilkenny more in finals. You have to go back to 1964 when kilkenny were last beaten by so much again that was tipp that day. Even paudie maher said it after the final that hes happy that its back to 3-3 now, he was talking about finals and thats all that matters.

    Think about that statement, and what it implies.


  • #6124
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    I have thought about it, have you. The last 2 finals were the most relaxing a supporter could have, it was clear as day both days who was going to win after 30 minutes.


  • #6125
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Regardless of what people think on here, the facts back up my argument, why wouldnt we want to play kilkenny in finals, more often than not we beat them in finals. Im not spouting anything crazy here, its simply true. Anyway im off this forum just had to get my say out about the so called fear tipp have of kilkenny which has no factual basis. Jackie tyrells ****e in the week up to the final would piss off even kilkenny fans with what he was saying about tipps mentality in big games. Cant argue with cold facts.


  • #6126
    brookville
    Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Its great to get back to the club scene this weekend.The two senior ones which catch the eye are clara v the village and the bridge and o loughlins.The real stuff starts now and previous form will go out the window.It will probably take this match to blow of the cobwebs and teams will probably start getting back lads from the states and injury.The shamrocks will obviously be favourites but as we nearly seen with comer last year if teams can get on a good run and a bit of momentum anything could happen.
    Enda mcevoy must be having a peep in here he was writing about the different size backroom teams at intercounty level how maybe we're falling behind in this regard and how brian could do with more help and a defence and fowards coach.Best of luck to mick fennelly going to offally i thought he might of got involved with us next year.Thats eddie,mick and herity with kildare who will be on the line next year best of luck to all.It will be very intresting to see what shakeup will take place with the seniors.Will mick dempsey stay?i dont think brian would go outside the county if he was to shake up.He would probably go for some past players.intresting times ahead..


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  • #6127
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Regardless of what people think on here, the facts back up my argument, why wouldnt we want to play kilkenny in finals, more often than not we beat them in finals. Im not spouting anything crazy here, its simply true. Anyway im off this forum just had to get my say out about the so called fear tipp have of kilkenny which has no factual basis. Jackie tyrells ****e in the week up to the final would piss off even kilkenny fans with what he was saying about tipps mentality in big games. Cant argue with cold facts.

    If you wanna gloat take it to the Tipp GAA forum.


  • #6128
    greenspurs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    holyhead wrote: »
    If you wanna gloat take it to the Tipp GAA forum.

    No one to gloat with over there, shur they all agree with each other :D
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  • #6129
    WhatsGoingOn2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭WhatsGoingOn2


    Time to move on.

    Senior Fixtures for the weekend with my predictions

    St. Patrick's v Dicksboro - Boro
    Rower Inistioge v Erins Own - Comer
    Danesfort v Graigue Ballycallan - Ballycallan
    Clara v James Stephens - Clara
    Ballyhale Shamrocks v Mullinavat - Shamrocks
    Bennettsbridge v O`Loughlin Gaels - OLG


  • #6130
    Grats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »
    Time to move on.

    Senior Fixtures for the weekend with my predictions

    St. Patrick's v Dicksboro - Boro
    Rower Inistioge v Erins Own - Comer
    Danesfort v Graigue Ballycallan - Ballycallan
    Clara v James Stephens - Clara
    Ballyhale Shamrocks v Mullinavat - Shamrocks
    Bennettsbridge v O`Loughlin Gaels - OLG


    Boro, Comer, Danesfort, Clara, Mullinavat, Bridge.


  • #6131
    Charlie69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Regardless of what people think on here, the facts back up my argument, why wouldnt we want to play kilkenny in finals, more often than not we beat them in finals. Im not spouting anything crazy here, its simply true. Anyway im off this forum just had to get my say out about the so called fear tipp have of kilkenny which has no factual basis. Jackie tyrells ****e in the week up to the final would piss off even kilkenny fans with what he was saying about tipps mentality in big games. Cant argue with cold facts.
    I know I'm worse to get involved but in the Cody era that you reference, Kilkenny have won 7 championship games to Tipp's 3. It's also 5-0 in league finals in the Cody era... and please don't tell me Tipp didn't care about those league finals.

    I am in no way trying to suggest that Tipp have any fear of KK or that they didn't deserve their win in the AI final btw.

    I also know that Tipp have a better championship record against KK.... congrats on the AI win, enjoy.


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  • #6132
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,951 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Never wrestle with a pig, you'll both get covered in ****e, and the pig likes it.


  • #6133
    digzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭digzy


    Charlie69 wrote: »
    I know I'm worse to get involved but in the Cody era that you reference, Kilkenny have won 7 championship games to Tipp's 3. It's also 5-0 in league finals in the Cody era... and please don't tell me Tipp didn't care about those league finals.

    I am in no way trying to suggest that Tipp have any fear of KK or that they didn't deserve their win in the AI final btw.

    I also know that Tipp have a better championship record against KK.... congrats on the AI win, enjoy.

    Tbf I think the vast majority of supporters have a genuine fear/respect of the opposition. More often then not kk have gotten the upper hand on us over the years.


  • #6134
    Alonzo Moseley
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »
    Time to move on.

    Senior Fixtures for the weekend with my predictions

    St. Patrick's v Dicksboro - Boro
    Rower Inistioge v Erins Own - Comer
    Danesfort v Graigue Ballycallan - Ballycallan
    Clara v James Stephens - Clara
    Ballyhale Shamrocks v Mullinavat - Shamrocks
    Bennettsbridge v O`Loughlin Gaels - OLG

    Any word on any absentees from AI final squad for weekend matches?
    Hopefully all fit as I assume they will be raring to go to get the AI out of their heads
    Bridge v OLG looks pick for me

    Bridge development more than any other club right now is vital to IC

    On Bridge, anyone know how Jamie Harkin is going?
    I thought he was excellent for Minors last years and was surprised not to see him on SKC team.
    Injury?


  • #6135
    Mankbag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Mankbag


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    I have thought about it, have you. The last 2 finals were the most relaxing a supporter could have, it was clear as day both days who was going to win after 30 minutes.

    In 2016 Kilkenny led by two points after 45 minutes. But don't let the facts bother you.


  • #6136
    BoroMan32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭BoroMan32


    St. Patrick's v Dicksboro - Boro by 2
    Rower Inistioge v Erins Own - Inistioge by 3
    Danesfort v Graigue Ballycallan - Graigue by 1
    Clara v James Stephens - Draw
    Ballyhale Shamrocks v Mullinavat - Shamrocks by a dozen
    Bennettsbridge v O`Loughlin Gaels - O'Loughlins by 6


  • #6137
    Beffs
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beffs


    Is Eddie Brennan still playing with the Graigue Ballycallan Seniors?

    Looking to get a jersey signed tonight in Callan if he is.


  • #6138
    JJs Left Hand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Disappointing to see the U15 A team lose the semi final of the Arrabawn today considering the talent there.
    Fair play to the B squad for winning the John Doyle though.
    Also good to see U16s win their tournament.

    Poor showing in the Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh at U14 though.


  • #6139
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Dicksboro ran out easy winners after a sluggish start against Ballyragget. The Boro have a fair bit of pace in their forwards in Aidan and Mark Nolan, also Shane Stapleton. Bill Sheehan didn't play. Cillian Buckley limping towards the end. Ballyragget very poor, only 2 points from play and none of their forwards scored from play. Could be in big trouble this year.
    James Stephens pulled away towards the end to win by 0-18 to 0-14 over Clara. Niall Brassil, Luke Scanlon and Tadgh O'Dwyer with important scores.
    Vat scored a scrambled goal with the second last puck of the match to claim a 1 point win over Ballyhale. Tom Aylward and Michael Malone did well. TJ Reid Darren Mullen, Eoin Cody and Evan Shefflin all fairly quiet. Adrian Mullen came on with a couple of minutes to play. Richie Reid best for Ballyhale


  • #6140
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭blackcard


    WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »
    Time to move on.

    Senior Fixtures for the weekend with my predictions

    St. Patrick's v Dicksboro - Boro
    Rower Inistioge v Erins Own - Comer
    Danesfort v Graigue Ballycallan - Ballycallan
    Clara v James Stephens - Clara
    Ballyhale Shamrocks v Mullinavat - Shamrocks
    Bennettsbridge v O`Loughlin Gaels - OLG
    A lot of surprise results


  • #6141
    brookville
    Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    So a few suprises after the weekend.some teams having good teams while some teams looked well off the pace.ballyraget absolutley woefull against the boro.good to see buckley getting a good game into the legs while aidan nolan got 2-3 in the fowards.
    Vegas had a good win over the shhamrocks a late goal sealing the win.great to see tom aylward back after a lengthy period he will be a help at full back for them.Bhale missing a few.Joey didnt play while Adrian mullen came on.
    O loughlins had a good win over the bridge in a windy gowran.very high scoring conor heary getting two important goals.
    Tullaron got over a dogged glenmore heard shane walsh got something like 1-12 and ger aylward very lively for glenmore.
    Cshock got a big beating from freshford and it has to be a worry.I fear for them they could easily slide into a relegation dogfight and john tennyson stretchered off with what they fear is a cruciate.hopefully its not.


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  • #6142
    Noddy33
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Noddy33


    Dfort V GBG
    Danesfort played against strong breeze first half and done very well to be leading by 5 at half time. Richie Hogan was immense playing in midfield and drifted very deep at times but got on an acre of ball which he then used very effectively. Des Dunne was excellent at FB and got a vital interception on Billy Ryan first half when he looked like he was straight through on goal and while there was also a good spread of the scores across the Dfort forward line. GBC didnt offer too much up front although Jesse Roberts chipped in with 3 points but most of their main forwards were kept quiet.


    Bridge V OLG
    Entertaining game but bridge struggled to get out of their own half when playing against a strong wind second half. OLG had a very strong running game and were very impressive. Heary chipped in with 2-2 from half forward. Lawlor was good at CB and Deegan was usual busy at midfield. Thought David Blanchfield was very good again and Cleere and Liam Blanch were some of their better performers too.OLG have some very good dept in their panel and for me would be the best equipped to challenge Ballyhale


  • #6143
    paulie gaultieri
    Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭paulie gaultieri


    RIP Brother Damien Brennan - a very very sad day for not only Callan but the whole county and beyond. As a coach, mentor and educator the man had no peers as far as I'm concerned.


  • #6144
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    paulie gaultieri wrote: »
    RIP Brother Damien Brennan - a very very sad day for not only Callan but the whole county and beyond. As a coach, mentor and educator the man had no peers as far as I'm concerned.

    Just heard. Terrible news. A very sad day indeed. R. I. P.


  • #6145
    tbiggertycome
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Very sorry to hear of Brother Damiens passing, I didn't know him personally but from reading Jackies book and watching his Laochra Gael you could tell that he was a great man. He seemed like a gentle soul but with a toughness and had no fear of holding up a mirror up to himself and others and to challenge with purpose. I would say he had a unofficial but significant role in our greatest ever team. RIP


  • #6146
    tbiggertycome
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Having a look at the tables after 4 games I would put the teams in the following order.

    1) O'Loughlin Gaels W3 L1 sco 99 con 79 diff +20
    2) Dicksboro W3 L1 sco 85 con 64 diff +21
    3) Rower Inistioge W3 L1 sco 79 con 61 diff +18
    4) Mullinavat W2 L1 D1 sco 84 con 86 diff -2
    5) James Stephens W2 L2 sco 83 con 76 diff +7
    6) Erins Own W2 L2 sco 72 con 69 diff +3
    7) Clara W2 L2 sco 86 con 90 diff -4
    8) Danesfort W2 L2 sco 80 con 81 diff -1
    9) Bennettsbridge W1 L2 D1 sco 97 con 104 diff -7
    10) Ballyhale Shamrocks W1 L3 sco 72 con 86 diff -14
    11) Graigue Ballycallan W1 L3 sco 74 con 81 diff -7
    12) St Patricks W1 L3 sco 61 con 95 diff -34

    3 and 4 could be argued as Mullinavat are facing tougher opposition but I gave it to the Rower as their the meanest defence in the League so far.

    Likewise 5, 6 & 7 could be changed but I think the above is fair.

    I think O'Loughlins are the form team at the minute but looking at the same standings after last years league, I would have ranked the teams in this order (with the stage the went out of the championship in colour)
    1) Dicksboro quarter final
    2) O'Loughlin Gaels quarter final
    3) Ballyhale Shamrocks Champions
    4) James Stephens quarter final
    5) Mullinavat quarter final
    6) Bennettsbrige Final
    7) Rower Inistioge 1st round
    8) St Patricks 1st round
    9) Clara semi final
    10) Erins Own semi final
    11) Danesfort relegation final
    12) Carrickshock relegated

    Of the four semi finalists Ballyhale were really the only ones who had a good league and should have been considered a contender. The fact that two of the semi finalists came from two teams who had, had such poor leagues goes to show that the championship is very unpredictable among the top 8 teams or so.

    Ballyhale will have quite a way to go to turn their current form but if theres any team capable of it I think it's them. I'm fairly sure they'll be without Holden and Mick Fennelly again this weekend and I would suggest Adrian Mullen might be on the bench again! I can see them being in a relgation semi but I can see them in a county final as well, hard to tell at this stage. I would expect O'Loughlins to push hard with a bit more experience under their belts, their a young side. I would hope the Boro can keep building on their performances so far this year and be at the business end of the championship. For me the I would expect one of those three to be heading into the Leinster Championship in November.


  • #6147
    Neewollah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    All quiet on the forum for the upcoming Senior and Intermediate games.

    Last week threw up some interesting results. Boro and OLG seem to be motoring. Boro were moving well but Ballyraggett were very poor. OLG and The Bridge was a great standard of Hurling. Loughs ability to create goal chances the difference.

    On the Evidence of last weekend Loughs would be favourites closely followed by the Boro. Ballyhale need to improve and will improve, would be next in betting for me. Bennettsbridge are up there and if they can reduce their concession rate will be hard to beat.

    Village and Clara was a poor game. Village won't have enough to win title playing with a sweeper and Clara no where near their early season form.

    Would expect teams placed 3 to 6 in the stronger group to win their 1st round ties.

    This weekend some tasty ties in store. Bridge Ballyhale hard to call. Both needing a win. Ballyhale need to show some form before 1st round and Bridge need a win to stay safe. Looking at both teams last weekend would expect Bridge to just shade it. Loughs should have too much for the Village and expect Clara to beat Mullinavat who like like they'll be without John Walsh. Expect it will be low scoring.

    In the other group Boro should take care of the Rower, Danesfort on form should beat Ballyraggett who can still escape relegation with a win. GBC and Comer hard one to call. Just give the nod to GBC who should improve on last week. Important to avoid bottom 2 in that group with possibly Shamrocks and Bennettsbridge lurking.


  • #6148
    greenspurs
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    Best of luck to our Senior Camogie girls for the All Ireland on Sunday !!
    Hopefully they will come out on top after 2 narrow defeats in the last 2 finals !!!
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  • #6149
    dubcat51
    Registered Users Posts: 731 ✭✭✭dubcat51


    Best of luck to the senior girls on sunday.one I feel they have to win after the pain of the last 2 years.have suffered probably more than our hurlers at the hands of poor refs.


  • #6150
    BoroMan32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭BoroMan32


    A day of drama with some late changes in the games today. By my reckoning that leaves us with;


    First Round/Relegation:
    Shamrocks v Ballyragget
    Bennettsbridge v Castlecomer

    First Round:
    James Stephens v Danesfort
    Mullinavat vs Graigue Ballycallan

    League Final: Boro v Loughlins
    Shield Final: Inistioge v Clara


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  • #6151
    brookville
    Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    BoroMan32 wrote: »
    A day of drama with some late changes in the games today. By my reckoning that leaves us with;


    First Round/Relegation:
    Shamrocks v Ballyragget
    Bennettsbridge v Castlecomer

    First Round:
    James Stephens v Danesfort
    Mullinavat vs Graigue Ballycallan

    League Final: Boro v Loughlins
    Shield Final: Inistioge v Clara
    Exciting finish to the shamrocks match nickey cleere had a late free which he missed but was made retake it and pointed the secound time around.from the resulting puck out who else but tj got a goal.Jason cleere scored a penalty for the bridge
    Comer and ballycallan tit for tat with ballycallan finishing stronger billy and sean ryan caused problems but delaney impressive for comer.
    A better show from ballyragget 9 first half wides didnt help but kevin kelly missed a penalty to square it up during the secound half and danesfort finished stronger.think richie got a goal
    Exciting finish in the park olg seemed to have being ahead most of the match.robbie buckley with the goal.the villsge will be happy to get the draw.
    A one sided affair in gowran but the boro should be at the business end.free scoring at the moment and intresting that aidan nolan is now in attack.
    Clara v mullinavat a game of 2 halves a goal from willie dwyer after a bit of mix up in the clara defence gave them a little breathing space but a goal from bolger before half time narrowed the gap to 4 i think.liam ryan chipped in 3 or 4 points and they will be happier after 2 defeats.
    The real stuff starts now but ballyragget look to be under the most pressure to stay up.but the bridge or comer (both in last 4 last year)will be in a relegation final.
    The boro look good at the moment and if they get everyone fit i think they could win it but im sure they'll be twists and turns.
    Intermediate as always will be tight thomastown and tullaron again in league final both have good fowards and feel they are very close but both have dissapointed when it got to the crunch.maybe maurice aylward can bring that bit of steel to thomastown cause no doubting they have some nice fowards.tullaron really need to get up soon.
    Ger aylward very good again today and gave johnstown a bad beating.
    St.martins impressive again canice maher and mullhall hurling well.they have suprised me with the last few results.
    Freshford a narrow win over tullagher darragh maher impressive and looks to be a good prospect.brian kennedy played as a sweeper in the secound half.wally played out near midfield and picked off a few points.Freshford could be darkhorses.
    Gowran got over dunnamaggin willie phelan at 11 scored a few points.michael cody at 6 hurled well but gowran had a better spread of scorers.
    Cshock bounced back with a encouraging performance against tullaron going down by 2 points.


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