Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Disappointed obviously. The minute the Ref sent Hogan off I said the game was over. Personally I thought it was a little harsh and ruined the game. I still think Tipp would probably have won but it would have being a better game. The guys with be hurting terribly but need to pick themselves up and go back at it next year.

As a Galway man I was delighted with our Minor win yesterday. Equally though, I was surprised with how modest the KK challenge was. Given the dominance of KK schools at colleges level, why should this be so?

In the Senior game, while much has already been written already about the sending-off, personally I think it only had a bearing on the winning margin. If ever a goal kick-started a team, it was O'Meara's yesterday, as suddenly Tipp' roared into live and their forwards started to move. While there was little he could do to stop the onslaught, I thought Cody was slow to make necessary changes. Cillian Buckley was very slack all day and surely should have been hooked earlier. Was Ger Aylward worth a run?

I know you've had this debate here before, but as bizarre as it sounds, is it getting to a stage where other counties are hoping Cody stays on as manager? Two heavy defeats in the finals to Tipp over the past 4 years, plus not reaching the semis' in the other 2 between. Is a new approach needed? Is Cody the man to blend in new talent, which may not be in abundant supply? I suppose the likes of Lawlor, Deegan, John Donnelly and Mullen are the future, but are they enough?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/enda-mcevoy/vision-peripheral-vision-and-precision-tooled-delivery-what-a-trifecta-944735.html

Decent article from Enda McEvoy about the game.

I keep saying this but for such a big man Walter is not great in the air. He doesn't position himself well enough to catch the ball. He is nearly always leaning back

MfMan wrote: »

As a Galway man I was delighted with our Minor win yesterday. Equally though, I was surprised with how modest the KK challenge was. Given the dominance of KK schools at colleges level, why should this be so?

In the Senior game, while much has already been written already about the sending-off, personally I think it only had a bearing on the winning margin. If ever a goal kick-started a team, it was O'Meara's yesterday, as suddenly Tipp' roared into live and their forwards started to move. While there was little he could do to stop the onslaught, I thought Cody was slow to make necessary changes. Cillian Buckley was very slack all day and surely should have been hooked earlier. Was Ger Aylward worth a run?

I know you've had this debate here before, but as bizarre as it sounds, is it getting to a stage where other counties are hoping Cody stays on as manager? Two heavy defeats in the finals to Tipp over the past 4 years, plus not reaching the semis' in the other 2 between. Is a new approach needed? Is Cody the man to blend in new talent, which may not be in abundant supply? I suppose the likes of Lawlor, Deegan, John Donnelly and Mullen are the future, but are they enough?

I think as a Galway fella, you`d be far better off concerning yourself with where your own prodigious talents keep disappearing to between minor and senior level. We`ll worry about our own house here thanks very much. Anyone who says that Tipp were the better team yesterday fundamentally fail to understand the game in my opinion. It was common knowledge that we needed to cut the supply to Tipps inside forwards and we had been doing that really well up to the sending off.

Once we went a man down there was only going to be one result. It`s a pity the ref didn`t spend more time with his linesman and whoever was in his ear upstairs examining the earlier Barrett tackle on Hogan. A high pull with the hurl, no intent to play the ball resulting in an actual facial injury. If there was any consistency Barrett should have walked for that challenge. As someone who spent a lot of money on tickets for the kids etc and have been doing so all year, I felt mugged by the refs decision yesterday.

I hope when the dust settles, Ritchie gives it another year. Barring injury and with his skill levels, I`d say he`s that kind of player that could play intercounty into his mid thirties. Either way he owes us nothing and is a true KK legend.

tibruit wrote: »

I think as a Galway fella, you`d be far better off concerning yourself with where your own prodigious talents keep disappearing to between minor and senior level. We`ll worry about our own house here thanks very much. Anyone who says that Tipp were the better team yesterday fundamentally fail to understand the game in my opinion. It was common knowledge that we needed to cut the supply to Tipps inside forwards and we had been doing that really well up to the sending off.

Once we went a man down there was only going to be one result. It`s a pity the ref didn`t spend more time with his linesman and whoever was in his ear upstairs examining the earlier Barrett tackle on Hogan. A high pull with the hurl, no intent to play the ball resulting in an actual facial injury. If there was any consistency Barrett should have walked for that challenge. As someone who spent a lot of money on tickets for the kids etc and have been doing so all year, I felt mugged by the refs decision yesterday.

I hope when the dust settles, Ritchie gives it another year. Barring injury and with his skill levels, I`d say he`s that kind of player that could play intercounty into his mid thirties. Either way he owes us nothing and is a true KK legend.

Remind us which team was ahead when R Hogan was sent off. And then think about which team was playing with the elements in their favour in the 2nd half.

Bad year for grapes down your way.

BOSTIK wrote: »

Remind us which team was ahead when R Hogan was sent off. And then think about which team was playing with the elements in their favour in the 2nd half.

Bad year for grapes down your way.

You know, as I was at the game and I haven`t watched the full replay, I`m not exactly sure. But I`m guessing that Tipp were a point ahead. Given yere inclination to buckle down the final stretch in tight games over the years, I`d say we were still in with a shout until the ref intervened.

Garyp88 wrote: »

I think they need to take into consideration the momentum of the players, the conditions, what was the intent and is it deemed a dangerous challenge.

Momentum & the weather conditions...do not make a player throw the elbow. It might affect their balance with respect to feet etc but not throwing out an elbow.

There was clear intent...watch available footage from all angles...the final angle is the nail in the coffin. In realtime the intent is clear.

Dangerous challenge...elbow to head...the rules at the start of the year said anything from the neck up was a red card offence.

So what about the challenge on hogan beforehand that was the neck up

Garyp88 wrote: »

So what about the challenge on hogan beforehand that was the neck up

Yellow card at best. No intent to injure the player at all. In my opinion, and I agree we all have different opinions here...the clear and obvious difference between the 2 was intent.

AND...no mention of that incident up to and including the red card...sorry...but clutching at straws here (in my opinion). Let's agree to disagree

Plenty of new posters in here today, not really tipperary fans either from what I can see. Glad some of the neutrals are enjoying it.

We found a few this year and had a good year overall, much better than we expected. Cody did some job getting us there and yesterday just went the against us and tipp deserved our win. If we took our goal chance when it was 8pts to 3 it would have changed the game. All in all we are where we are and we shouldn't be justifying anything to neutrals.

Garyp88 wrote: »

I don't think any player goes out personally to injure another and if that is the case there's no place for it. Intent or not you have quoted anything neck up is a red card and he did just that, the matter of time to make the decision shows there was doubt but no consistency I do think in situations like that and given its a final although its no excuse a TV official would certainly help its great in rugby.

Indeed I did quote that however...this is where I agree with Shefflin in so far as common sense has to also prevail when following rules...and issuing red cards. The ref took his time and consulted his linesman...didn't react straight away. You could say he applied common sense.

But hey...we can argue til the cows come home...even if KK still had 15 on the pitch I believe they would have lost possibly by a smaller margin.

I'm not a neutral either Live in Laois (close to the Laois-Tipperary border) and kids go to school in Tipperary...plus have relatives in Nenagh.

Sorry :P

pissedasanewt wrote: »

But everything looks worse in slow motion. Its odd that they wouldn't show any replays in Croke park, the only thing they seemed to show was Hogan sitting in the stand..

Replays of fouls and other incidents that could be deemed controversial are never shown in Croke Park.
I think they could of been for the first few years after the screens went in, but certainly not in a long, long time !