Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 MOD NOTE POST 1*

dubcat51 · 18-08-2019 6:43pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Blinkered there.

Neck and neck, yes, but we had been 8pts to 3pts ahead after c.21 minutes.

The trend was going in the wrong direction for us, and they hadn't really got going at all.

Every team has a purple patch.games with tipp and kk ebb and flow and for me richie started quite well.also he was fouled around the head just before being sent off.

18-08-2019 6:52pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Better team won no doubt, but the scoreline was tough to take. The red was harsh and ruined the match but I don't think we can have any complaints either. Will take a bit of recovering, very depressing one to lose in such a fashion

It might feel harsh but it was also warranted. From my experience of playing and watching gaa , when a player goes in at speed to give a big hit , the elbow usually comes up if he feels he’s going to miss with the shoulder . It’s just a bad habit and means nothing if you don’t connect with the head

Fort Stranger · 18-08-2019 7:04pm

Should have been three yellows, Barrett might have a medal but he let himself down

dzer2 · 18-08-2019 7:09pm

Tipp players and people dont care that's what they are like

droppingball · 18-08-2019 7:28pm

Thought Huw Lawlor had a freat game besides a 5 minute period, he won a lot of 50 50s, besides when seamie set up the goal.

Donnelly hurled well also, few hits, catches and scores. Hopefully the younger lads can learn from the experience and we can add eoin cody, delaney and darren mullen some game time.

Thought Joey Holden was very game today also, fair play to him, the bravery of him, callanan went straight on him to spook him but Joey stood strong, gave up a few scores but fought for everything.

Still very proud of the lads, they always give everything and great comeback after the leinster final, today was just one step too far.

paulie gaultieri · 18-08-2019 7:33pm

Better team won today but agree with other posters I thought the defence kept the scoreline somewhat respectable in the end.

How hard is it to not curse on national tv though? Bubbles in 2016 and Callanan today both let themselves down as far as I'm concerned.

red_diesel · 18-08-2019 7:34pm

Disappointing day. Hadn't a good view of the Richie incident at the game but listening to the analyst's on Radio 1 on the way home they were adament it was a Yellow at most.
Just watched it on the TV there now. Absolute 100% blatant red card. End of. Its pointless arguing what might have been. Richie was deservedly sent off, we lost the game, end of story. Hopefully like Benny Dunne did in 2010, he gets a chance to redeem himself next year.

Fort Stranger · 18-08-2019 7:46pm

It was shaping up to be around 25-30 points each and so long as Tipp were held to 2 goals it would have been very tight, I felt fairly confident before the sending off, I thought we had the game plan bang on, Bubbles and Callinan and Noel MgGrath were all quiet, no need for any criticism as I thought our lads acquitted themselves well, it is a sad state when players try to get other amateur players sent off and that is purely what decided it today.

copperhead · 18-08-2019 7:58pm

If you would have said to me in march that kilkenny would be playing in an all ireland I wouldnt belive it, but here we are again today and although we did loose its an achievement in itself for this panel of players,
After the last few years things were starting to look a little bleak with the so called conveyer in kilkenny but we had a few very good performances from some of the younger lad through out the year, it's a real shame to loose in the fashion that we did today but it was always going to be a huge battle to keep things tight with the forwards that tipp have,
We really do need a few more lads upfront though and I thought it was a bit naive hitting hig balls I'nto fenelly when it was 2 and 3 v 1, but all in all it wasn't a bad year for us, with the performance against limerick being the stand out what we lack in players sometimes we can make up for with pure heart and determination,

holyhead · 18-08-2019 8:00pm

The great what if for us will be if Richie hadn't been sent off how things may have panned out. Do people feel this is a team that will challenge again next year? Are the players there? Will Brian Cody step aside?

larrya · 18-08-2019 8:01pm

Thought it was harsh red probably a yellow.But hogan had got a wild pull to the face before that and it was only a free.Tipp lad made the most of it and will probably be embarrassed looking back at it

holyhead · 18-08-2019 8:03pm

larrya wrote: »

Thought it was harsh red probably a yellow.But hogan had got a wild pull to the face before that and it was only a free.Tipp lad made the most of it and will probably be embarrassed looking back at it

Barrett won't care. Beating Kilkenny, however they do it, is the highlight of their year any year they manage it. The true litmus test for them as a team is can they do it next year and if they have to play 15 for the full match. Easy look good when playing a side a man down.

Seadin · 18-08-2019 8:05pm

larrya wrote: »

Thought it was harsh red probably a yellow.But hogan had got a wild pull to the face before that and it was only a free.Tipp lad made the most of it and will probably be embarrassed looking back at it

Hogan will be embarrassed he got sent off so easily. Should have been more careful.

holyhead · 18-08-2019 8:07pm

Seadin wrote: »

Hogan will be embarrassed he got sent off so easily. Should have been more careful.

He gave the referee a decision to make. I have a feeling he was the first victim judging by his bloody nose, quite an achievement with a helmet on. Yes he should have kept his cool but in the heat of the battle etc.

jluv · 18-08-2019 8:15pm

larrya wrote: »

Thought it was harsh red probably a yellow.But hogan had got a wild pull to the face before that and it was only a free.Tipp lad made the most of it and will probably be embarrassed looking back at it

This for me..if playing by the rule yes he gets red but if you are going to leave similar unpunished then how can you stand over it. Plus looking at the ref and linesman talking I really don't feel they knew what happened. The ref walking over to the player made his decision for him. The player made a meal of it IMO. But yes by the letter of the law he should get red. Harsh..

Lefty Bicek · 18-08-2019 8:18pm

copperhead wrote: »

If you would have said to me in march that kilkenny would be playing in an all ireland I wouldnt belive it, but here we are again today and although we did loose its an achievement in itself for this panel of players,
After the last few years things were starting to look a little bleak with the so called conveyer in kilkenny but we had a few very good performances from some of the younger lad through out the year, it's a real shame to loose in the fashion that we did today but it was always going to be a huge battle to keep things tight with the forwards that tipp have,
We really do need a few more lads upfront though and I thought it was a bit naive hitting hig balls I'nto fenelly when it was 2 and 3 v 1, but all in all it wasn't a bad year for us, with the performance against limerick being the stand out what we lack in players sometimes we can make up for with pure heart and determination,

I'm old enough to remember Keher, Skehan, Hennessy, Chunky, Billy Fitz, and sometimes it feels a bit weird to me when we talk about what we lack in hurling ability being made up for with heart and determination.

We are a hurling county out and out, and always had style and skill.

If we find ourselves at this juncture 'lacking in hurling ability' - and I'm not disagreeing with you - then something is radically wrong, therefore can be fixed, and needs to be fixed.

jluv · 18-08-2019 8:20pm

holyhead wrote: »

Barrett won't care. Beating Kilkenny, however they do it, is the highlight of their year any year they manage it. The true litmus test for them as a team is can they do it next year and if they have to play 15 for the full match. Easy look good when playing a side a man down.

He'll be remembered for it though..now I believe Tipp would have beat Kk anyway..but wanting to get a player in trouble is not good sportsmanship IMO..

adrian522 · 18-08-2019 8:20pm

Lads, this one is hard to take. Coming into the match I felt we had a real chance if things went our way.

After 20 mins I was convinced we were in with a real chance of an All Ireland that didn't look at all likely 1 month ago.

We had a few wides and Colin missed a goal chance but we were still 5 points up. Then the tipp goal was a bit of a killer. We had to play into the wind in the second half so it would be an uphill battle, but given how we had played up to that point I thought there was every chance.

Unfortunately the red card changes everything, The game is over at that point, there is no sugar coating it.

Having said that I fail to see what the plan was in the second half. What were we doing? Raining ball down on top of TJ and Colin who were completely outnumbered?

I think Cody and the backroom staff have real questions to answer on the 2nd half strategy. We completely played into Tipp hands and put them under no pressure whatsoever.

This one will be hard to take. No way are we the best team in the country but we are not 14 or 15 points away from Tipperary either.

On the red I don't know. It seems like there have been many similar incidents this year but no red cards until this one. It doesn't sit right with me at all. The game was over as soon as the red was given.

There were plenty of yellow card fouls in the first half but no cards issued, I don't know, quite hard to understand.

holyhead · 18-08-2019 8:23pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember Keher, Skehan, Hennessy, Chunky, Billy Fitz, and sometimes it feels a bit weird to me when we talk about what we lack in hurling ability being made up for with heart and determination.

We are a hurling county out and out, and always had style and skill.

If we find ourselves at this juncture 'lacking in hurling ability' - and I'm not disagreeing with you - then something is radically wrong, therefore can be fixed, and needs to be fixed.

We won 11 All Ireland's from 2000 until 2015. In GAA land only the Kerry team of the late 70's and 80's get near that level of consistent brilliance. Tipp last won back to back All Ireland's in 1964/65. Sport is cyclical and its hard to have a never ending conveyer belt of talent.

corner back 2 · 18-08-2019 8:43pm

Disappointing day for the Cats today but all in all a positive year. 3 new starters found in Lawlor Donnelly and Mullen. Hopefully a few more like Maher, Billy Ryan and Leahy can find consistency and establish themselves. A lot of debate over the red card and the best I can say is harsh but probably justified. A lot of criticism of Shefflin and Cody for defending Hogan but if we don't stand up for our own who will and I hope they continue to do so. Anyway the players and management owe us nothing. Onwards and upwards to the club championship.

holyhead · 18-08-2019 8:47pm

Looking at it coldly we didn't score goals Tipp got three. Goals play a huge part in the psychology of a match. It's hard to out point a side which gets three goals.

We need to look at

1. why we conceded three.
2. why we didn't score any.
3. why we persisted in raining ball down on top of a dominant Tipp defence a forward down.

Ceist_Beag · 18-08-2019 9:01pm

when you see it from one angle it is a definite red card offence, hard to argue any different really.
As others said, you would have to be proud of the team despite the result. I thought the defenders, especially Huw and Joey did well, although the distribution from some, especially Deegan was poor. The tactics in the second half were wrong but I don't think we could stop Tipp either way, some of their scores were outstanding.

blackcard · 18-08-2019 9:10pm

No complaints about red. However, contrast Tommy Walsh getting straight up after a pull across his head with Barrett trying to get a man sent off

munsterlegend · 18-08-2019 9:14pm

blackcard wrote: »

No complaints about red. However, contrast Tommy Walsh getting straight up after a pull across his head with Barrett trying to get a man sent off

As a neutral it was a red card offense no question. Heat of moment stuff but you can’t go in so recklessly. Arguing about other incidents is like arguing with the guard when caught speeding that plenty others do it and never get caught.

blackcard · 18-08-2019 9:18pm

munsterlegend wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

No complaints about red. However, contrast Tommy Walsh getting straight up after a pull across his head with Barrett trying to get a man sent off

As a neutral it was a red card offense no question. Heat of moment stuff but you can’t go in so recklessly. Arguing about other incidents is like arguing with the guard when caught speeding that plenty others do it and never get caught.

If you read my post, I had no complaints about the red card. Barrett milked it though in contrast to Tommy

munsterlegend · 18-08-2019 9:24pm

blackcard wrote: »

If you read my post, I had no complaints about the red card. Barrett milked it though in contrast to Tommy

You get an elbow from into face from someone running at you with pace i’d like to see your reaction. What has Walsh incident got to do with it anyway?

holyhead · 18-08-2019 9:27pm

munsterlegend wrote: »

You get an elbow from into face from someone running at you with pace i’d like to see your reaction. What has Walsh incident got to do with it anyway?

I assume he is saying that Walsh took it as part and parcel of the game and that Barrett milked it to get Hogan sent off. What no one has answered is how Richie got his bloodied nose and if by foul play no one was brought to book for it.

Fort Stranger · 18-08-2019 9:29pm

Exactly that is the point, the Barrett foul was just as wreckless on Richie, Munster Legend neutral, yeah right lol

dubcat51 · 18-08-2019 9:46pm

Fort Stranger wrote: »

Exactly that is the point, the Barrett foul was just as wreckless on Richie, Munster Legend neutral, yeah right lol

richie fouled roynd the head by barrett nothing given.murphy fouled by forde around the head only yellow

Clonmel1000 · 18-08-2019 9:48pm

dubcat51 wrote: »

richie fouled roynd the head by barrett nothing given.murphy fouled by forde around the head only yellow

Tyrell shoulder charge to callinan no free Power over carries the ball Penalty to Kilkenny.

JustJoe7240 · 18-08-2019 9:48pm

dubcat51 wrote: »

richie fouled roynd the head by barrett nothing given.murphy fouled by forde around the head only yellow

Just about around the neck, and in no way comparable. Hogan went to do Barrett.

holyhead · 18-08-2019 9:49pm

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Just about around the neck, and in no way comparable. Hogan went to do Barrett.

And why???

adrian522 · 18-08-2019 9:51pm

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Just about around the neck, and in no way comparable. Hogan went to do Barrett.

This is absolute nonsense, sorry if this is how you feel you don't know what you are talking about.

adrian522 · 18-08-2019 9:53pm

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Tyrell shoulder charge to callinan no free Power over carries the ball Penalty to Kilkenny.

Not that your are bitter or anything bringing this up 10 years later on a day that Tipp win an All Ireland hammering Kilkenny in the process. Classy.

dubcat51 · 18-08-2019 9:54pm

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Just about around the neck, and in no way comparable. Hogan went to do Barrett.

he went to shoulder him not do him.whole thing ruined the game as it was just getting going.as I said earlier we will never know how the game would have went 15 v 15.

Joe Daly · 18-08-2019 10:46pm

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Tyrell shoulder charge to callinan no free Power over carries the ball Penalty to Kilkenny.[/QUOTE

Padraig Maher finishes Michael Rice , Power didn't over carry he was actually fouled twice before the penalty was given. What about Callanan shoulder on a kilkenny player he had to be stretchered off.

Comerman · 18-08-2019 10:53pm

Please lads don't bite for these new posters, they're only here to snipe. Hogan's red was fair enough but Tipp should of had a red for Barretts slap on Hogan and a couple of yellow for clinical fouling around the goal BUT at the end of the day they were better finishers and took some great scores. Best of luck to them. We got to an all Ireland when at the beginning of the season we expected feck all.

holyhead · 18-08-2019 10:56pm

Comerman wrote: »

We got to an all Ireland when at the beginning of the season we expected feck all.

That's kind of how I feel too. Listen it's never nice to lose an All Ireland. But it could be the spring board for a new good run if lessons are learned and the panel get to improve next year through experience and new blood.

allthedoyles · 18-08-2019 11:00pm

https://twitter.com/i/status/1163206344201125895

This is where Ritchie got the belt in the nose

radharc · 18-08-2019 11:14pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/i/status/1163206344201125895

This is where Ritchie got the belt in the nose

How could anybody think there was a red card in that

holyhead · 18-08-2019 11:20pm

radharc wrote: »

How could anybody think there was a red card in that

He clatters Richie at face height when the ball was chest height so yes it was reckless and even with a helmet he was left bleeding.

Lefty Bicek · 18-08-2019 11:26pm

radharc wrote: »

How could anybody think there was a red card in that

Was there a yellow card in it ?

Oops! · 18-08-2019 11:59pm

If Hogan had to fall to the ground like a ton of bricks and stay down it might have been a different story.....

vetinari · 19-08-2019 12:17am

They're completely different incidents tbf.
The red card incident did not look like a run of the mill clash.
Hogan was trying to clatter Barrett butt got the timing wrong.
That's the risk you take when you're making no attempt at the ball.
Its a definite red card.

Btw I think it's very harsh to say Barrett dived.
He took an elbow to the head and seemed understandably dazed by it.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 19-08-2019 12:47am

vetinari wrote: »

They're completely different incidents tbf.
The red card incident did not look like a run of the mill clash.
Hogan was trying to clatter Barrett butt got the timing wrong.
That's the risk you take when you're making no attempt at the ball.
Its a definite red card.

Btw I think it's very harsh to say Barrett dived.
He took an elbow to the head and seemed understandably dazed by it.

Any one that has played hurling knows how hurt Barrett was

Oops! · 19-08-2019 12:49am

He got hit from the side, Barrett then flung his head backwards jumped up in the air with his legs behind him and flung himself to the ground... It was a red card but theirs no need for that carry on... Leave it to the premiership players.

tibruit · 19-08-2019 12:59am

holyhead wrote: »

Looking at it coldly we didn't score goals Tipp got three. Goals play a huge part in the psychology of a match. It's hard to out point a side which gets three goals.

We need to look at

1. why we conceded three.
2. why we didn't score any.
3. why we persisted in raining ball down on top of a dominant Tipp defence a forward down.

1. The sending off.
2. The sending off.
3. The sending off.

It was in the melting pot until then and I thought it was marginal. Barretts head was down and Ritchies elbow was barely raised. Minimal contact and Barrett should be ashamed of himself for milking it like he did. Should have been given the benefit of the doubt on a greasy surface. Lawlor did really well under severe pressure in the second half and I thought Donnelly was outstanding again today.

pissedasanewt · 19-08-2019 7:15am

Tipp should have racked up a few yellows before the sending off. Am i right in thinking for first card in the game was the red and then a Tipp player in the 2nd half for a round the neck challenge on TJ was the next card shown? even though it wasn't the first challenge like that and in the 2nd half a Tipp player lying on the ground in the penalty area flung his hurl across the penalty box as KK were trying to get through and the ref was right there. Definite penalty. But Tipp should have had one too in the first half.

Refs need to book players cynically hauling down attackers. TJ got a lot of frees in the first half and the ref didn't see fit to hand out a card to stamp it out?!

I thought KK were unlucky not to get a break of a ball around the goal, nothing quite went to hand or maybe they are missing a few lads with killer instincts. But the long high ball tactic once the goals went in was stupid. They could have picked off points from distance and started to reel Tipp in, put the pressure back on them. They did the same against Wexford when they didn't need to go that way.

pissedasanewt · 19-08-2019 7:22am

Oh and Tipps goals had nothing to do the being down to 14 men.. if the ref isn't handing out cards for cynical challenges then bury the Tipp player running at you. Just take him in the mid riff and bring him down, its what they did to us.

holyhead · 19-08-2019 7:41am

pissedasanewt wrote: »

Oh and Tipps goals had nothing to do the being down to 14 men.. if the ref isn't handing out cards for cynical challenges then bury the Tipp player running at you. Just take him in the mid riff and bring him down, its what they did to us.

I think in the cold light of day Tipp were the better side. Yes we got five points in front in the first half but Tipp reeled us in. The sending off definitely had an impact on the game. No question. We'll be back hopefully. It will be a good learning curve for the younger lads.

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