Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 9:33pm

Gatling wrote: »

Trump didn't blink ,he well knew what he was doing he backed Iran into a corner where they either have to put up or shut up ,

They interfered with foreign tankers allegedly tried to sink several what were they planning to achieve??

Then they shot down the drone and got no real response bar having one or two of theirs taken out ,still no American military response a few extra ships ,
Oil prices haven't really increased either diminishing iran again .
You have isreali jets flying over teran for fecks sake
What have Iran gained in any of this nothing bar an empty ship they boarded and siezed .

They got nothing and yet they are losing due to tighter and tighter sanctions

Fixed that for you.

Gatling · 29-07-2019 9:35pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

1st war wasnt won by America it was won by a coalition of countries, America was on the winning team.

Iraq 2? You honestly call that a win?

They won both along with the coalition ,

As I said what came after was a total cluster **** or bad decisions after bad decisions which led to a terrorist insurgency , religious sectarian war which Iranians forces played a big part

NKante · 29-07-2019 9:37pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Really nope what have been you watching lately. Shooting and destroying military drones, tankers on fire, increased tension between navies in the region, Iran and UK doing piracy of tankers, increased Iranian enrichment of uranium. He is done nothing here to solve the crisis, he made it worse. Trump played this one stupidly and can go either way now. Trump after all blinked first and to be honest i think he made a wise decision, he be involving himself in far bigger war than the Iraq war. Soon or later Iran willl react even more severely if they try to cut their oil shipments to China or India. Iran already warned the build up of US and UK warships in strait of Hormuz is a provocative act, they might move to counter it if tensions keep up. Right now there is a slight decrease in tension, but only takes another trigger event and we back to crisis mode again.

Well there's two ways this can go. Some argue that the Iranian regime is pragmatic and will make carefully thought-out moves.

Others argue that it's a religiously fundamentalist regime with suicidal tendencies that would be prepared to nuke Israel even if they know they'd be nuked back 10 times over (in fact they've in the past had clerics who spoke about this as actual policy)

Personally, whilst they're total wackjobs....I think they'll remain pragmatic and will eventually have to negotiate. The problem with Iranians and Muslims in general, is their 'honour'. It's literally more important to them than their own children. They always have to save face. Can't show weakness. 'Humiliation' is a massive thing in the Islamic world.

There are rumours that talks are underway.

What we know is that Obama, that useless moron, gave Iran the green light to essentially involve itself in at least half a dozen conflicts and set up their proxies across the M.E. killing thousands.

So far, Trump is fairing a lot better.

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 9:40pm

Gatling wrote: »

Trump didn't blink ,he well knew what he was doing he backed Iran into a corner where they either have to put up or shut up ,

They interfered with foreign tankers litttrally tried to sink several what were they planning to achieve??

Then they shot down the drone and got no real response bar having one or two of theirs taken out ,still no American military response a few extra ships ,
Oil prices haven't really increased either diminishing iran again .
You have isreali jets flying over teran for fecks sake
What have Iran gained in any of this nothing bar an empty ship they boarded and siezed .

They got nothing and yet they are losing due to tighter and tighter sanctions

Don't be silly there was no Israeli aircraft flying over Tehran. It alleged by a Kuwait source unverified nonsense Isreal was flying F35 military jets in their airspace for hours. Israel has only 10 of them and they would never risk one getting shot down during a peace time situation. It would give Iran a propgranda win if there best fighter jets got blown up and there not a chance Israel would use them, full stop.

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 9:48pm

Gatling wrote: »

They won both along with the coalition ,

As I said what came after was a total cluster **** or bad decisions after bad decisions which led to a terrorist insurgency , religious sectarian war which Iranians forces played a big part

4,500 dead and 32,000 injured and all for nothing, i wouldn't call that a win in any way,shape or form.

ArchXStanton · 29-07-2019 9:58pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Really nope what have been you watching lately. Shooting and destroying military drones, tankers on fire, increased tension between navies in the region, Iran and UK doing piracy of tankers, increased Iranian enrichment of uranium. He is done nothing here to solve the crisis, he made it worse. Trump played this one stupidly and can go either way now. Trump after all blinked first and to be honest i think he made a wise decision, he be involving himself in far bigger war than the Iraq war. Soon or later Iran willl react even more severely if they try to cut their oil shipments to China or India. Iran already warned the build up of US and UK warships in strait of Hormuz is a provocative act, they might move to counter it if tensions keep up. Right now there is a slight decrease in tension, but only takes another trigger event and we back to crisis mode again.

I find it amazing the UK now wants a flotilla in the strait of Hormuz to solve a problem it created by acting like the good little poodle, I mean wtf did they expect, the Iranians would give them a free pass,they did warn them,seems the US/UK seem to think they can bully and push around any country in the middle east....

Gatling · 29-07-2019 10:06pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

4,500 dead and 32,000 injured and all for nothing, i wouldn't call that a win in any way,shape or form.

That's nothing ask Russia what they lost in Chechen wars its 4 X times the deaths and casualties alone ,
Some believe they lost up to 10,000 in East Ukraine ,

Is it really a loss when you take onto account how many US troops actually served in Iraq over ten years

Gatling · 29-07-2019 10:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Don't be silly there was no Israeli aircraft flying over Tehran.

And yet You big up Iran ,they can do this and they have that and yet dismiss everything else as propaganda .....

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-07-2019 10:09pm

Gatling wrote: »

That's nothing ask Russia what they lost in Chechen wars its 4 X times the deaths and casualties alone ,
Some believe they lost up to 10,000 in East Ukraine ,

Is it really a loss when you take onto account how many US troops actually served in Iraq over ten years

Nothing gained but more graves.

Gatling · 29-07-2019 10:18pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nothing gained but more graves.

Exactly .

So do say you were on the losing side or do you look at it differently now

Gatling · 29-07-2019 11:05pm

Actually rte 1 now iran and Saudi bitter rivals a documentary about the Iranian and Saudi Yemen conflict

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 11:20pm

Gatling wrote: »

And yet You big up Iran ,they can do this and they have that and yet dismiss everything else as propaganda .....

I'm not naive the US military is obviously better equipped for war and can do serious damage inside Iran. I just pointing out your naive about Iran ability to fight a war and fight back. Iran is not Iraq and if does happen this war, will all see the mess unfolding on TV.

Gatling · 29-07-2019 11:50pm

So watched the Iran / Saudi Yemen documentary

So essentially came down to saudi and America bad
Houti and iran is good .
Houti leaders were not getting help, weapons , fighters finance from Iran ,
It's wished by God .

But one thing that came out of it Iran has no real care for Yemen they don't have the ability or financial clout to win the war ,
Some of the houti leaders and forces were all about wiping out the Jews and America. Saudi
But remember Iran Isn't involved .

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-07-2019 5:43am

Gatling wrote: »

Exactly .

So do say you were on the losing side or do you look at it differently now

1st iraq war was won convincingly (by a coalitiin of many countries) and the objective was acheived.

What was acheived in the 2nd?

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-07-2019 7:21pm

Gatling wrote: »

So watched the Iran / Saudi Yemen documentary

So essentially came down to saudi and America bad
Houti and iran is good .
Houti leaders were not getting help, weapons , fighters finance from Iran ,
It's wished by God .

But one thing that came out of it Iran has no real care for Yemen they don't have the ability or financial clout to win the war ,
Some of the houti leaders and forces were all about wiping out the Jews and America. Saudi
But remember Iran Isn't involved .

You can find this online i a watched the third part. You way of base. It was all about Iran and Saudi Arabia rivalry and distrust for each other. In the part i watched America was barely mentioned, even though they showed shia militas walking over ground painted Israel and America flags and giving out about Donald Trump, don't we all?

The episode was from 2017, and it maybe true Iran was not sending them heavy weapons back then. There actually no prove of IRGC and Hezbollah fighters are inside Yemen.

In 2019 the houtis are gaining ground and territory and UAE has effectively pulled its ground forces out and Saudi Arabia is fighting the war. In 2019, it much clearer now Iran has stepped up it effort to help the houtis with drones and missiles.

rockatansky · 30-07-2019 7:29pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

1st iraq war was won convincingly (by a coalitiin of many countries) and the objective was acheived.

What was acheived in the 2nd?

A big 'MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign on a ship!

NKante · 30-07-2019 8:03pm

There's a video online of a suicide attack against the Houthi sorts.

They were in the middle of chanting "death to America, death to Israel"

In walks a Sunni Muslim and blows them all up.

I dunno, I just shrugged and made my tea.

Jimmy Garlic · 01-08-2019 10:00pm

Gatling wrote: »

But one thing that came out of it Iran has no real care for Yemen they don't have the ability or financial clout to win the war ,
Some of the houti leaders and forces were all about wiping out the Jews and America. Saudi
But remember Iran Isn't involved .

But they are winning, Saudi vassal the UAE pulled the plug on their involvement, so much for their so called coalition.

Gatling · 01-08-2019 10:24pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

But they are winning,

Actually no it's widely believed the.houtis will be pushed back due to the simple fact Iran can't afford the fight in the long run ,
Houtis Will eventually fall back where they will split in to separate groups and tribal alliances ,
The UAE haven't completely withdrawn nor have they plans to ,
They took ground and held it trained close to 100,000 tribesmens how to fight and hold ground .

It seems there is an distinct lack of understanding by some about whats exactly happening now and in the future

The Late Late Show · 02-08-2019 7:01am

It is just a matter of time when Trump, with time running out and eager for a POSITIVE, will surely pull the plug on the evil 'Republic of Gilead' type tyrant John Bolton and his terrorist agendas. If Bolton wants to support the Mojahedin e Khalq, NetanYAHOO or Saudi Arabia, he should JOIN them, and leave America alone. If I were Trump, I'd cut all ties with Bolton and other should filth and do a better bigger deal with Iran to spite them and their evil agendas. It's been all negative so far and Bolton is the CAUSE of most of this negativity. If Obama was 'Yes we can', Bolton is 'no we can't'.

Gatling · 02-08-2019 9:33am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

It is just a matter of time when Trump, with time running out and eager for a POSITIVE, will surely pull the plug on the evil 'Republic of Gilead' type tyrant

Just say No

Jimmy Garlic · 02-08-2019 9:53am

Gatling wrote: »

Actually no it's widely believed the.houtis will be pushed back due to the simple fact Iran can't afford the fight in the long run ,
Houtis Will eventually fall back where they will split in to separate groups and tribal alliances ,
The UAE haven't completely withdrawn nor have they plans to ,
They took ground and held it trained close to 100,000 tribesmens how to fight and hold ground .

It seems there is an distinct lack of understanding by some about whats exactly happening now and in the future

The UAE has for all intents and purposes withdrawn from the conflict, a wise decision on their part. They probably left a couple of camels behind so the Saudis could save face and still go around raving about their "coalition"

Houthi MRBM landed behind the podium of a military parade in Aden yesterday taking out scores of the puppet regimes officers.

Gatling · 02-08-2019 1:48pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The UAE has for all intents and purposes withdrawn from the conflict,

Again not really no ,

They have a naval base and several other military facilities they won't be leaving .
So no the UAE have not withdrawn slight change of tactics and approach .

Those Iranian missles won't last forever but I wonder Iran will help al-Qaeda too

notobtuse · 02-08-2019 2:05pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

It is just a matter of time when Trump, with time running out and eager for a POSITIVE, will surely pull the plug on the evil 'Republic of Gilead' type tyrant John Bolton and his terrorist agendas. If Bolton wants to support the Mojahedin e Khalq, NetanYAHOO or Saudi Arabia, he should JOIN them, and leave America alone. If I were Trump, I'd cut all ties with Bolton and other should filth and do a better bigger deal with Iran to spite them and their evil agendas. It's been all negative so far and Bolton is the CAUSE of most of this negativity. If Obama was 'Yes we can', Bolton is 'no we can't'.

Gilead? How about joining us in the real world.

Trump's view of Bolton isn’t rose colored... he probably views Bolton as a calculated negotiating tool. Having Bolton on his team improves his bargaining position and gives him a psychological advantage over enemies such as Iran and North Korea. When Trump has finally decided Bolton is more a liability than an asset, you can take it to the bank he’ll be told ‘You’re Fired!”

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 11:44pm

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1157367730980491265

Going after Zarif ends all hope a diplomatic solution will be found. He is their foreign minister and chief negotiator. Right now Iran will have to give into the demands for an end to this.

Cheerful Spring2 · 04-08-2019 4:13pm

Iran has seized another foreign tanker in the Gulf, Iranian state media say.

A Revolutionary Guard Corps commander was quoted as saying its naval forces had "seized a foreign tanker in the Persian Gulf that was smuggling fuel for some Arab countries".

It said the tanker was carrying 700,000l of fuel, adding that seven sailors had been detained.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916

Tanzania flagged tanker- only details i got right now.

specky4eyes · 04-08-2019 5:06pm

Gatling wrote: »

Those Iranian missles won't last forever but I wonder Iran will help al-Qaeda too

That just shows your utter stupidity and Pompeo/Bolton type brain farts your prone to having, you really need to educate yourself and look into Shia and Sunni ideology, Iran is not the USA, unlike the USA who support al-qaeda when it suits them, Iran actually despise them and always have, they are not turncoats like the USA, it's true Iran back militant groups and fair play to them because the militant groups they support are resistance movements against the axis of evil.

specky4eyes · 04-08-2019 5:31pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Iran has seized another foreign tanker in the Gulf, Iranian state media say.

A Revolutionary Guard Corps commander was quoted as saying its naval forces had "seized a foreign tanker in the Persian Gulf that was smuggling fuel for some Arab countries".

It said the tanker was carrying 700,000l of fuel, adding that seven sailors had been detained.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49225916

Tanzania flagged tanker- only details i got right now.

And rightfully so, if I were Iran I'd seize a lot more tankers and block all oil transiting through the strait of Hormuz, if Iran is not "allowed" export oil, then they should stand their ground and not allow anybody export oil through their waters, the world would be fucked, the petrodollar wouldn't be worth the dirty money it's printed on, I'd love to see Russia, China and Iran exercising their freedom of navigation up and down the east and west coasts of America, not that they'd have the ability but anybody who knows anything about aircraft carriers and Russia, Iran and China's advanced carrier destroyers knows they are sitting ducks kind of like shooting fish in a barrel.

Gatling the armchair general will obviously disagree, I'd say he barely leaves his home through fear of the real world and his constant posting here, spouting USA propaganda that he really believes, he probably has a couple of windows open on his computer constantly one for boards, another for another for cnn, then fox, bbc, roger ramjet,first blood up to rambo last blood.

The Late Late Show · 04-08-2019 7:43pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Gilead? How about joining us in the real world.

Trump's view of Bolton isn’t rose colored... he probably views Bolton as a calculated negotiating tool. Having Bolton on his team improves his bargaining position and gives him a psychological advantage over enemies such as Iran and North Korea. When Trump has finally decided Bolton is more a liability than an asset, you can take it to the bank he’ll be told ‘You’re Fired!”

Gilead became real on 9th April 2018 or didn't you bleedin' notice. John Bolton for God's sake???!!! Margaret Atwood would not even have invented such Gilead. Let's hope what you say is true and Trump is using Bolton rather than the opposite way around. We will find out if Trump is in control or Gilead.

Jimmy Garlic · 06-08-2019 11:55am

Where is your post about America making "mistakes" gone Gatling, second thoughts and you deleted it huh? Surprised you even said that, you're defence is usually to the hilt.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 11:56am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Where is your post about America making "mistakes" gone

Haven't deleted anything ...

CIA

Jimmy Garlic · 06-08-2019 11:59am

Gatling wrote: »

I wonder Iran will help al-Qaeda too

Not a chance. They are supported by the medieval kingdom of headchoppers, Khazarland, and the United Snakes.

Jimmy Garlic · 06-08-2019 12:00pm

Gatling wrote: »

Haven't deleted anything ...

CIA

Yes you did.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 12:00pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Yes you did.

No

nthclare · 06-08-2019 12:41pm

Look at what all this hassle the world police has created.

Before all this tanker's were free to go up through the straight, now Iran are catching pirate's left right and centre.

Looks like Iran are doing a great job at stopping the illegal export of the black gold.

Personally myself I think the Persians are very clever at this international game of chess, like the Russians they are able to circumvent any obstacles which are put in front of them.

Karma is a wonderful thing, they've seen the damage the West has committed in the east.
They counted their egg's before they hatched, and I'd say they're well fortified and their potential enemies know dam well, that Iran isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not one for war, but Iran are a very powerful nation and potentially could make life a lot easier for us in the West

Imagine paying 85cent for a litre of diesel, well if Iran could export oil I'd say our economy would be better....

nthclare · 06-08-2019 12:42pm

Cheap fuel and organic fruit let alone the potential of their tourism industry..

Stevieluvsye · 06-08-2019 12:49pm

nthclare wrote: »

Look at what all this hassle the world police has created.

Before all this tanker's were free to go up through the straight, now Iran are catching pirate's left right and centre.

Looks like Iran are doing a great job at stopping the illegal export of the black gold.

Personally myself I think the Persians are very clever at this international game of chess, like the Russians they are able to circumvent any obstacles which are put in front of them.

Karma is a wonderful thing, they've seen the damage the West has committed in the east.
They counted their egg's before they hatched, and I'd say they're well fortified and their potential enemies know dam well, that Iran isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not one for war, but Iran are a very powerful nation and potentially could make life a lot easier for us in the West

Imagine paying 85cent for a litre of diesel, well if Iran could export oil I'd say our economy would be better....

There is no problem with the supply of Oil and even if Iran did start exporting the price would drop maybe by 1%

Also, the US could take Iran out (or anyone else) in less than a week.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 1:06pm

nthclare wrote: »

Look at what all this hassle the world police has created.

Before all this tanker's were free to go up through the straight, now Iran are catching pirate's left right and centre.

Looks like Iran are doing a great job at stopping the illegal export of the black gold.

Personally myself I think the Persians are very clever at this international game of chess, like the Russians they are able to circumvent any obstacles which are put in front of them.

Karma is a wonderful thing, they've seen the damage the West has committed in the east.
They counted their egg's before they hatched, and I'd say they're well fortified and their potential enemies know dam well, that Iran isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not one for war, but Iran are a very powerful nation and potentially could make life a lot easier for us in the West

Imagine paying 85cent for a litre of diesel, well if Iran could export oil I'd say our economy would be better....

There is no such thing as cheap oil or low priced diesel (talking about dreaming)
Regardless of what Iran does or doesn't do oil prices would not change , Iran gambled hopefully to get a better deal first sabotage , didn't work ,now siezing small tankers (claims of smuggling oil) from other oil producting countries (still nothing) no American military responses ,no oil prices increases 30 + years ago prices would have gone through the roof ,
But now no panic no rapid price increases so what did iran gain so far nothing ,they now will have foreign military vessels off their coastal areas in international waters ,
They have limited or little support for attacking and siezing ships ,
And sanctions getting tighter sooner or later the Iranian people will demonstrate and demand change ,the mad mullahs will send in the army again .

Before you start on the whole Iran are powerful beyond supporting hizbolla ,Assad and the houtis in Yemen they don't exactly have a lot to offer,
They have an aging military service most of their equipment is 40+ years old ,
They have limited aerial capability , limited naval forces and yes they have missles (are they capable of hitting heavily defended targets?)
Can they hit targets with any real accuracy ?

I'm sure someone will be along to tell us all about their missles ,cruise missiles and mountains ,
But that's mostly propaganda most of which is all nonsense ,

Can Iran be hit from the sea -yes
Can Iran be hit from the air -yes
Can Iran be hit by multiple countries -yes
Can Iran win a war -no
Can Iran support terrorism yeah especially in Iraq .

cnocbui · 06-08-2019 1:46pm

I think you may have spoken too soon. If China decides to buy Iranian oil when the mentally challenged toxic president decides on a typically stupid and miscalculated response to the currency devaluation thing, the pundits expect a $30 pb price drop for oil.

Long term, a significant shift to EVs should see a significant drop in oil and refined fuel prices, ironically.

nthclare · 06-08-2019 1:56pm

Gatling wrote: »

nthclare wrote: »

Look at what all this hassle the world police has created.

Before all this tanker's were free to go up through the straight, now Iran are catching pirate's left right and centre.

Looks like Iran are doing a great job at stopping the illegal export of the black gold.

Personally myself I think the Persians are very clever at this international game of chess, like the Russians they are able to circumvent any obstacles which are put in front of them.

Karma is a wonderful thing, they've seen the damage the West has committed in the east.
They counted their egg's before they hatched, and I'd say they're well fortified and their potential enemies know dam well, that Iran isn't Iraq or Afghanistan.

I'm not one for war, but Iran are a very powerful nation and potentially could make life a lot easier for us in the West

Imagine paying 85cent for a litre of diesel, well if Iran could export oil I'd say our economy would be better....

There is no such thing as cheap oil or low priced diesel (talking about dreaming)
Regardless of what Iran does or doesn't do oil prices would not change , Iran gambled hopefully to get a better deal first sabotage , didn't work ,now siezing small tankers (claims of smuggling oil) from other oil producting countries (still nothing) no American military responses ,no oil prices increases 30 + years ago prices would have gone through the roof ,
But now no panic no rapid price increases so what did iran gain so far nothing ,they now will have foreign military vessels off their coastal areas in international waters ,
They have limited or little support for attacking and siezing ships ,
And sanctions getting tighter sooner or later the Iranian people will demonstrate and demand change ,the mad mullahs will send in the army again .

Before you start on the whole Iran are powerful beyond supporting hizbolla ,Assad and the houtis in Yemen they don't exactly have a lot to offer,
They have an aging military service most of their equipment is 40+ years old ,
They have limited aerial capability , limited naval forces and yes they have missles (are they capable of hitting heavily defended targets?)
Can they hit targets with any real accuracy ?

I'm sure someone will be along to tell us all about their missles ,cruise missiles and mountains ,
But that's mostly propaganda most of which is all nonsense ,

Can Iran be hit from the sea -yes
Can Iran be hit from the air -yes
Can Iran be hit by multiple countries -yes
Can Iran win a war -no
Can Iran support terrorism yeah especially in Iraq .

You're posting is like a bot, no balance or facts just blatantly negative towards Iran.

Not a clue about economics so I wouldn't apply for a position as an actuary if I were you.

You're banging the same drum throughout the whole conversation....

And Gatling is a gun isn't it, so it's ok to suggest that you're on the Americans side...

You'll say something positive about the Iranians going against their leadership for freedom...

We all know about how this so called freedom and strident hostility behind the veil works out for countries....

I've nothing against American either, I drink Coca-Cola, buy American fishing gear because it's the best there is.
Love their diverse landscapes and climate, I meet a lot of Americans in my area of expertise

Love to go tour the states meet the people etc

I've nothing really bad to say about trump either because I'm not a liberal or leftie sjw type of person...

I see where you are coming from, but you're all about war and how Iran are all bad which is far from the truth.....

BloodBath · 06-08-2019 2:51pm

It's the American way. Brainwashed into supporting the imperialist war machine.

Spending more and more on it every year while American people suffer the consequences.

Afraid of socialism/communism when a reasonable military budget would free up funds for healthcare and education for all.

Things that actually benefit the citizens of the US, not the military industrial complex.

Jimmy Garlic · 06-08-2019 3:06pm

Gatling talks as if Iran would be all on its own if a war broke out. It wouldn't be , at the very minimum it would be supplied by Russia with the latest anti air and shipping missiles, the Chinese too. Ironically it would be the US on its own, a bit of token support from the British and of course the medieval kingdom, Khazaria won't be much help either.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 3:09pm

nthclare wrote: »

You're posting is like a bot, no balance or facts just blatantly negative towards Iran.

(No your wrong )

Not a clue about economics so I wouldn't apply for a position as an actuary if I were you.(I'm actually right when it comes to oil prices )

You're banging the same drum throughout the whole conversation....
(I stick to my point i known exactly what I'm talking about )

And Gatling is a gun isn't it, so it's ok to suggest that you're on the Americans side...
(Yes a Gatling is a gun your right there )
Your wrong about being pro America repeatedly stated it )

You'll say something positive about the Iranians going against their leadership for freedom...
(Iranians are fine people but there religious and military revolutionary guard (are getting rich while the country is stuck in the the 1970s and getting worse )
We all know about how this so called freedom and strident hostility behind the veil works out for countries....(oppression through religious ideology and harsh military crackdowns dont work either unless you like that kind of thing)

I've nothing against American either, I drink Coca-Cola, buy American fishing gear because it's the best there is.
Love their diverse landscapes and climate, I meet a lot of Americans in my area of expertise

Love to go tour the states meet the people etc

I've nothing really bad to say about trump either because I'm not a liberal or leftie sjw type of person...
Trump is a scumbag of the highest order )

I see where you are coming from, but you're all about war and how Iran are all bad which is far from the truth.....

(Again your wrong - Iranians are fine it's the religious and military revolutionary guard that have ruined the country and its prospects)

Answers some of your comments - ( attacks)

So the facts currently are oil prices are stable and likely to stay that way ,
Yes trump pulled out of the previous agreement over nuclear weapons.
Iran did try to sabotage multiple vessels ,
Iran siezed several vessels.
American and other foreign military vessels will now actively patrol the area,
Leaving Iran to keep escalating till they get a reaction and face military consequences,

The other facts are America and several other countries would make short work of the Iranian military with out ever having to put boots on Iranian soil .
You might not like it but it's fact

nthclare · 06-08-2019 3:31pm

Gatling wrote: »

nthclare wrote: »

You're posting is like a bot, no balance or facts just blatantly negative towards Iran.

(No your wrong )

Not a clue about economics so I wouldn't apply for a position as an actuary if I were you.(I'm actually right when it comes to oil prices )

You're banging the same drum throughout the whole conversation....
(I stick to my point i known exactly what I'm talking about )

And Gatling is a gun isn't it, so it's ok to suggest that you're on the Americans side...
(Yes a Gatling is a gun your right there )
Your wrong about being pro America repeatedly stated it )

You'll say something positive about the Iranians going against their leadership for freedom...
(Iranians are fine people but there religious and military revolutionary guard (are getting rich while the country is stuck in the the 1970s and getting worse )
We all know about how this so called freedom and strident hostility behind the veil works out for countries....(oppression through religious ideology and harsh military crackdowns dont work either unless you like that kind of thing)

I've nothing against American either, I drink Coca-Cola, buy American fishing gear because it's the best there is.
Love their diverse landscapes and climate, I meet a lot of Americans in my area of expertise

Love to go tour the states meet the people etc

I've nothing really bad to say about trump either because I'm not a liberal or leftie sjw type of person...
Trump is a scumbag of the highest order )

I see where you are coming from, but you're all about war and how Iran are all bad which is far from the truth.....

(Again your wrong - Iranians are fine it's the religious and military revolutionary guard that have ruined the country and its prospects)

Answers some of your comments - ( attacks)

So the facts currently are oil prices are stable and likely to stay that way ,
Yes trump pulled out of the previous agreement over nuclear weapons.
Iran did try to sabotage multiple vessels ,
Iran siezed several vessels.
American and other foreign military vessels will now actively patrol the area,
Leaving Iran to keep escalating till they get a reaction and face military consequences,

The other facts are America and several other countries would make short work of the Iranian military with out ever having to put boots on Iranian soil .
You might not like it but it's fact

Well obviously from your point of view it would take America and several other countries to get the Job done.

That's a lot of firepower and lives obliterated for the sake of a parliamentary committee and a few religious leaders.

Sounds about right alright.

I cannot see the native people who will loose loved one's are going to forgive the West and spray the pavements of Tehran with rose oil and cover it with rose petals to welcome their liberator's....

I can see it where the Islamic world will have enough of this bullsh1t and the attacker's will be on their own, but America doesn't want another war Trump isn't interested in loosing American lives, not sure about his administration.
But he'd happily make peace with the Iranian leadership.

For all we know it could be a big game, and there's lots of deals going on behind closed doors.

An aul tweet here and a tweet there but behind it all they'll make a deal and hopefully the Islamic world will do their own thing and we'll do ours in the West.

I seriously think it can be done.

Do you Gatling think it'll be sorted out amicably ?

Gatling · 06-08-2019 4:17pm

nthclare wrote: »

For all we know it could be a big game, and there's lots of deals going on behind closed doors.

An aul tweet here and a tweet there but behind it all they'll make a deal and hopefully the Islamic world will do their own thing and we'll do ours in the West.

I seriously think it can be done.

Do you Gatling think it'll be sorted out amicably ?

Will it happen amicably it's possible , I've always said on here there will be no war ,at most limited strikes against military infrastructure if Iran kept on its course ,
Do I want war no i do not ,but like America Iran has meddled in other countries to the point they may end up facing a backlash of their own making .

It's very likely deals are being done behind the scenes someone has to come out and top and say they won ,
Trump won't take 2nd place and it's likely some Iranian cleric's and Revolutionaries won't take it well if trump gets to walk way saying he beat Iran and got a better deal and vice versa ,

The question should be will this be the end of all of these spats absolutely not if anything they may get worse

smurfjed · 06-08-2019 5:59pm

“The Islamic Republic of Iran favors talks and negotiations and, if the US really wants to talk, before anything else it should lift all sanctions,” Rouhani said in remarks aired live on state television.

I guess that the sanctions are hurting, but surely the concept of negotiation is to sit down and see what Iran is willing to do in order to have the sanctions removed.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 6:09pm

smurfjed wrote: »

I guess that the sanctions are hurting, but surely the concept of negotiation is to sit down and see what Iran is willing to do in order to have the sanctions removed.

That's the idea

Shows of goodwill goes a long way too ,

I don't see trump sending a plane full of cash or gold

Cheerful Spring2 · 06-08-2019 9:32pm

smurfjed wrote: »

I guess that the sanctions are hurting, but surely the concept of negotiation is to sit down and see what Iran is willing to do in order to have the sanctions removed.

Speech on the internet. Remove the sanactions we might talk and rejoin the nuclear deal, if not, we don't care. Nothing changed. Iran and US are still on a collision course.

North Korea now playing up too, and has carried out four missile launches in the last two weeks. So far it only short range missiles, but i think North Korea may getting closer to start launching ICBMs again in a few months. North Korea got no sanaction relief from Trump, and talks have stalled.

Gatling · 06-08-2019 10:54pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

North Korea now playing up too, and has carried out four missile launches in the last two weeks. So far it only short range missiles, but i think North Korea may getting closer to start launching ICBMs again in a few months. North Korea got no sanaction relief from Trump, and talks have stalled.

North Korea has been launching missles for 40 odd years nothing will change , China won't allow change to come about in NK ,
You can fire all the missles you want into the sea it doesn't get you anywhere ,
Trump just keeps ignoring him and eventually start with the rocketman jibes Kim get laughed at
Nothing changes nk stays in 1950 ,
Meanwhile China wants the whole South China to itself maybe they might consider annexation of nk and drag it into the future.

Meanwhile Iran is the same fire a few missles into the sea , make a few threats go away for a few years and groundhog Day .

specky4eyes · 09-08-2019 6:13pm

Gatling wrote: »

There is no such thing as cheap oil or low priced diesel (talking about dreaming)
Regardless of what Iran does or doesn't do oil prices would not change , Iran gambled hopefully to get a better deal first sabotage , didn't work ,now siezing small tankers (claims of smuggling oil) from other oil producting countries (still nothing) no American military responses ,no oil prices increases 30 + years ago prices would have gone through the roof ,
But now no panic no rapid price increases so what did iran gain so far nothing ,they now will have foreign military vessels off their coastal areas in international waters ,
They have limited or little support for attacking and siezing ships ,
And sanctions getting tighter sooner or later the Iranian people will demonstrate and demand change ,the mad mullahs will send in the army again .

Before you start on the whole Iran are powerful beyond supporting hizbolla ,Assad and the houtis in Yemen they don't exactly have a lot to offer,
They have an aging military service most of their equipment is 40+ years old ,
They have limited aerial capability , limited naval forces and yes they have missles (are they capable of hitting heavily defended targets?)
Can they hit targets with any real accuracy ?

I'm sure someone will be along to tell us all about their missles ,cruise missiles and mountains ,
But that's mostly propaganda most of which is all nonsense ,

Can Iran be hit from the sea -yes
Can Iran be hit from the air -yes
Can Iran be hit by multiple countries -yes
Can Iran win a war -no
Can Iran support terrorism yeah especially in Iraq .

You fucking idiot, after 2001 oil prices went up sky high, so did petrol/diesel, when they came back down that didn't and never has registered on the billboards outside the garages.

Iran can hit back in a lot of asymmetrical ways, and they will, never doubt that, the USA will need to buy oil and gas from Russia or Venezuela, the petro blabber is ****ed, the world is entering a new stage, US influence is in decline, China and Russia designed and upgraded carrier killers since the 80's, they now have improved and perfected them to do what it says on the tin, I fear you are one day going to look like a dejected kid walking home crying with his stars and stripes flag between his legs.

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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