The glorious 12th

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 10:46pm

downcow wrote: »

I think this case, ridiculous as it is, could have serious repercussions for the Irish language plans.
This civil servant, working for the queen, got offended because her photo was up in the workplace and he had to walk past it. He was paid £10,000 out of court and was consulted on what photo he would like in its place.
What does this mean for Irish language signs if they offend people? The law up here says that there should be nothing on display that offends people.
If I work in a bar that has fir on the door will I get £10,000 and will it be removed.
I think it has opened a can of worms
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servant-queen-portrait-northern-ireland-lee-hegarty-lord-maginnis-nio-a9002086.html%3famp

Maybe the result will be that we get rid of everything that offends. Can we start with this, a statue to a man who was instrumental in bringing the gun back into Irish politics?

This is the kind of cul de sac that Unionism keeps disappearing into in their never ending Never Never Never give an inch hideboundness.
I would sacrifice Irish roadsigns if it resulted in a shoot themselves in the foot again stunt like in the linked article.

Imreoir2 · 16-07-2019 10:48pm

downcow wrote: »

I think this case, ridiculous as it is, could have serious repercussions for the Irish language plans.
This civil servant, working for the queen, got offended because her photo was up in the workplace and he had to walk past it. He was paid £10,000 out of court and was consulted on what photo he would like in its place.
What does this mean for Irish language signs if they offend people? The law up here says that there should be nothing on display that offends people.
If I work in a bar that has fir on the door will I get £10,000 and will it be removed.
I think it has opened a can of worms
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servant-queen-portrait-northern-ireland-lee-hegarty-lord-maginnis-nio-a9002086.html%3famp

On the face of t it seems absurd, I'm sure the person in question did not object too greatly to the face of the queen being on the money they got in their payout. It seems likely to me that there is some nuance that has not been made public than would cast greater light on this incident.

Do you think it would be reasonable for someone to be offended by a sign in Irish at their workplace?

downcow · 16-07-2019 10:49pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

Let's just bring this back on topic here a bit....

OK I'm directing this post at Downcow.

It seems you are trying to make the point that us southerners don't get your culture surrounding the 12th and have got it all wrong.

When we make the point that it is disgusting seeing multiple bonfires burning our national flag on this day, you just say that it is just something that goes on both sides of the community.
You have posted random isolated examples of where this has happened in the past.

But the problem with your argument and something you still have not answered is that on the 12th this burning of our flag happens on a massive scale in NI orchestrated by members of the OO and loyalists.
There is nothing that comes close to comparing to it.

Can you give me one example of where this kind of thing happens in the ROI on the same scale?

It is going to be very hard for anyone down this side of the border to have any respect for your culture while this kind of thing happens every year, I just don't see how you could think any different? Try and put yourself in our shoes and imagine how you would feel about it?

Thank you. I genuinely want to engage and learn.
My problem with your post , and I quote “on the 12th this burning of our flag happens on a massive scale in NI orchestrated by members of the OO”.
Now can you give me one single example of this. I have been to the twelfth every year from age 1 to 54 and I have never seen this happen. Now if it is on a massive scale I guess you will easily educate me with a link or two.

_blaaz · 16-07-2019 10:52pm

downcow wrote: »

Thank you. I genuinely want to engage and learn.
My problem with your post , and I quote “on the 12th this burning of our flag happens on a massive scale in NI orchestrated by members of the OO”.
Now can you give me one single example of this. I have been to the twelfth every year from age 1 to 54 and I have never seen this happen. Now if it is on a massive scale I guess you will easily educate me with a link or two.

Yous trying to.claim.that no tricoulers are burnt on july 11th bonfires and want evidence of it occuring

Your fooling noone mate,even orange order members i knpw dont trt defend it....no mind try drag people down rabbithole of saying it deosnt happen

Your gas craic

downcow · 16-07-2019 10:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe the result will be that we get rid of everything that offends. Can we start with this, a statue to a man who was instrumental in bringing the gun back into Irish politics?

This is the kind of cul de sac that Unionism keeps disappearing into in their never ending Never Never Never give an inch hideboundness.
I would sacrifice Irish roadsigns if it resulted in a shoot themselves in the foot again stunt like in the linked article.

If you are asking honestly. Yes I would certainly forgo that statue if it meant I wouldn’t have my local town reminding me on every corner that the nationalists are in charge

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:00pm

downcow wrote: »

If you are asking honestly. Yes I would certainly forgo that statue if it meant I wouldn’t have my local town reminding me on every corner that the nationalists are in charge

And finally we have drilled down to the petty suprematist nonsense that this objection revolves around. 'Themums might seem to be in charge'. i.e. the cul de sac Unionism cannot resist turning into.

You do know what an equal society involves?

Pedro K · 16-07-2019 11:01pm

downcow wrote: »

If you are asking honestly. Yes I would certainly forgo that statue if it meant I wouldn’t have my local town reminding me on every corner that the nationalists are in charge

What if the signs had both English and Irish on them?

janfebmar · 16-07-2019 11:02pm

downcow wrote: »

I think this case, ridiculous as it is, could have serious repercussions for the Irish language plans.
This civil servant, working for the queen, got offended because her photo was up in the workplace and he had to walk past it. He was paid £10,000 out of court and was consulted on what photo he would like in its place.
What does this mean for Irish language signs if they offend people? The law up here says that there should be nothing on display that offends people.
If I work in a bar that has fir on the door will I get £10,000 and will it be removed.
I think it has opened a can of worms
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servant-queen-portrait-northern-ireland-lee-hegarty-lord-maginnis-nio-a9002086.html%3famp

I wonder if someone here in the 26 counties complained of some religous thing in a public building would the complainant get the euro equivalent of £10,000.

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:03pm

_blaaz wrote: »

Yous trying to.claim.that no tricoulers are burnt on july 11th bonfires and want evidence of it occuring

Your fooling noone mate,even orange order members i knpw dont trt defend it....no mind try drag people down rabbithole of saying it deosnt happen

Your gas craic

I am pointing out that the twelfth is a very different animal than 11th night bonfires.
Don’t be disingenuous be linking all loyalist culture as one.
The twelfth is grannies kids youths all together in amazing harmony with ice cream bands flags and fun.
The 11th night Many fires are lit at midnight after the pubs empty. The crack is great but it is unquestionably boisterous. Flutes drums carryouts dancing singing big fire
The two things are like day and night
11th night is a big youth extravaganza and all the issues and positives that go with that.
On a minority of fires they burn all the stuff that they think represents those who want to exterminate their culture. Wrong but understandable.
If the OO was gone tomorrow the 12th would disappear but the 11th night would not be in the slightest effected. Indeed I think it would mushroom to fill the vacuum

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:08pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

On the face of t it seems absurd, I'm sure the person in question did not object too greatly to the face of the queen being on the money they got in their payout. It seems likely to me that there is some nuance that has not been made public than would cast greater light on this incident.

Do you think it would be reasonable for someone to be offended by a sign in Irish at their workplace?

Fair play imreoir. You may be right.
That’s a difficult question. You may not like my answer but if I went in to McDonald’s and they had their toilet signs in Irish then I would probably just use kfc in the future.
Having said that, I would love to see a truly shared society where orange and Irish culture were equally welcome. Ie if McDonald’s put up some stuff to celebrate the 12th then I would completely support them to have Irish signs up.

janfebmar · 16-07-2019 11:08pm

downcow wrote: »

I am pointing out that the twelfth is a very different animal than 11th night bonfires.
Don’t be disingenuous be linking all loyalist culture as one.
The twelfth is grannies kids youths all together in amazing harmony with ice cream bands flags and fun.
The 11th night Many fires are lit at midnight after the pubs empty. The crack is great but it is unquestionably boisterous. Flutes drums carryouts dancing singing big fire
The two things are like day and night
11th night is a big youth extravaganza and all the issues and positives that go with that.
On a minority of fires they burn all the stuff that they think represents those who want to exterminate their culture. Wrong but understandable.

Talking of flag burning, I remember seeing pictures of union flags being burnt at anti-internment anniversary bonfires ( in Derry I think ) and do not forget one Charles Haughey ( who some decades later became our Taoiseach ) infamously burnt a Union Jack back in 1945 in Dublin.

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:08pm

downcow wrote: »

I am pointing out that the twelfth is a very different animal than 11th night bonfires.
Don’t be disingenuous be linking all loyalist culture as one.
The twelfth is grannies kids youths all together in amazing harmony with ice cream bands flags and fun.
The 11th night Many fires are lit at midnight after the pubs empty. The crack is great but it is unquestionably boisterous. Flutes drums carryouts dancing singing big fire
The two things are like day and night
11th night is a big youth extravaganza and all the issues and positives that go with that.
On a minority of fires they burn all the stuff that they think represents those who want to exterminate their culture. Wrong but understandable.
If the OO was one tomorrow the 12th would disappear but the 11th night would not be in the slightest effected. Indeed I think it would mushroom to fill the vacuum

11th night is as much a part of the OO season of events as the 12th is.

The tradition is believed to have started to commemorate the lighting of fires on hilltops in Antrim and Down that helped Williamite forces navigate through the Belfast Lough at night during the Williamite Wars in Ireland.

Junkyard Tom · 16-07-2019 11:09pm

downcow wrote: »

This civil servant, working for the queen,

Working for the the Queen? :pac:

got offended because her photo was up in the workplace and he had to walk past it.

Fair play to the guy.

There are very strict employment laws in the north that were designed to help dismantle the sectarianism ingrained in the environment unionists created for themselves.

The workplace must remain a neutral place free from tribal symbolism and rightly so. I'd imagine some 'patriot' decided to hang portraits of Mrs Windsor around the gaff to 'piss on the lampposts', as it were.

No more of that nonsense downcow. Those days are over.

_blaaz · 16-07-2019 11:09pm

downcow wrote: »

I am pointing out that the twelfth is a very different animal than 11th night bonfires.
Don’t be disingenuous be linking all loyalist culture as one.

It literally is,and more i read of your posts the more im.near certain yous arent what.you claim to be....i know quite a wide section of unionist commuinty and none have the contempt of me to try and tell outright utter lies to me like the rest of this post

The twelfth is grannies kids youths all together in amazing harmony with ice cream bands flags and fun.
The 11th night Many fires are lit at midnight after the pubs empty. The crack is great but it is unquestionably boisterous. Flutes drums carryouts dancing singing big fire
The two things are like day and night
11th night is a big youth extravaganza and all the issues and positives that go with that.
On a minority of fires they burn all the stuff that they think represents those who want to exterminate their culture. Wrong but understandable.
If the OO was one tomorrow the 12th would disappear but the 11th night would not be in the slightest effected. Indeed I think it would mushroom to fill the vacuum

Bonfires are light well before 12 o clock....yous are a joke,cant even lie realisitically.......like i said i know a wide variety from ex soldiers to former paramilitaries and fair bit inbetween of unionists,from blackest of prods to complete athesits....one thing shines through is none would put up with bull/chancers representing them that yous are pedeling here

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

11th night is as much a part of the OO season of events as the 12th is.

It might be for you francie but most people who go to the twelfth will never attend a bonfire after the pas age 20

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:14pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Working for the the Queen? :pac:

Fair play to the guy.

There are very strict employment laws in the north that were designed to help dismantle the sectarianism ingrained in the environment unionists created for themselves.

The workplace must remain a neutral place free from tribal symbolism and rightly so. I'd imagine some 'patriot' decided to hang portraits of Mrs Windsor around the gaff to 'piss on the lampposts', as it were.

No more of that nonsense downcow. Those days are over.

So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones

Imreoir2 · 16-07-2019 11:15pm

downcow wrote: »

Fair play imreoir. You may be right.
That’s a difficult question. You may not like my answer but if I went in to McDonald’s and they had their toilet signs in Irish then I would probably just use kfc in the future.
Having said that, I would love to see a truly shared society where orange and Irish culture were equally welcome. Ie if McDonald’s put up some stuff to celebrate the 12th then I would completely support them to have Irish signs up.

I can fully support the idea of there been a difference between Civic Unionsm celebrating the 12th in a peaceful way and the hooliganism that burns flags. I have no problem with McDonalds having an orange milkshake for the 12th, for example, like they have a green milkshake down here for Paddy's day.

Hopefully you can see the difference between Irish speakers wanting their language to be part of a shared society and a scumbag shouting "Tiocfaidh ár lá".

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:15pm

downcow wrote: »

It might be for you francie but most people who go to the twelfth will never attend a bonfire after the pas age 20

So the OO and Unionist politicians can wash their hands off it? Rubbish.

firemansam4 · 16-07-2019 11:15pm

downcow wrote:

Thank you. I genuinely want to engage and learn. My problem with your post , and I quote â€œon the 12th this burning of our flag happens on a massive scale in NI orchestrated by members of the OOâ€. Now can you give me one single example of this. I have been to the twelfth every year from age 1 to 54 and I have never seen this happen. Now if it is on a massive scale I guess you will easily educate me with a link or two.

OK so you are splitting hairs on the point, maybe these fires are actually lit on the 11th but does that really matter? It is all still associated with the same celebrations of your culture.

Now can you please tell me why you think we should find this acceptable this side of the border? And tell me is there any equivalents of this showing of hate on a massive scale here in ROI?

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:17pm

downcow wrote: »

So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones

The language of the island telling you themuns are in charge would not be a legitimate cause for complaint. You would need counselling help for that.

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:19pm

_blaaz wrote: »

It literally is,and more i read of your posts the more im.near certain yous arent what.you claim to be....i know quite a wide section of unionist commuinty and none have the contempt of me to try and tell outright utter lies to me like the rest of this post

Bonfires are light well before 12 o clock....yous are a joke,cant even lie realisitically.......like i said i know a wide variety from ex soldiers to former paramilitaries and fair bit inbetween of unionists,from blackest of prods to complete athesits....one thing shines through is none would put up with bull/chancers representing them that yous are pedeling here

Now blazz a simple check of the facts will enlighten you.
There has been an attempt to bring a few fires forward to 9 or 10 pm to suit kids and ensure better control.
The vast majority are lit at exactly 12 midnight after people have been partying all iffy in local pubs.
So you are simply wrong blaaz. I would imagine francie etc can confirm this

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:20pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

I can fully support the idea of there been a difference between Civic Unionsm celebrating the 12th in a peaceful way and the hooliganism that burns flags. I have no problem with McDonalds having an orange milkshake for the 12th, for example, like they have a green milkshake down here for Paddy's day.

Hopefully you can see the difference between Irish speakers wanting their language to be part of a shared society and a scumbag shouting "Tiocfaidh ár lá".

Yeah that’s helpful. Thanks

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The language of the island telling you themuns are in charge would not be a legitimate cause for complaint. You would need counselling help for that.

:-)

Junkyard Tom · 16-07-2019 11:25pm

downcow wrote: »

So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones

Speaking it? Or Irish language signage?

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:30pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Speaking it? Or Irish language signage?

Signage

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:32pm

downcow wrote: »

Signage

On what grounds?

downcow · 16-07-2019 11:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

On what grounds?

You want the context?

This was the statement by a poster

“Fair play to the guy.

There are very strict employment laws in the north that were designed to help dismantle the sectarianism ingrained in the environment unionists created for themselves.

The workplace must remain a neutral place free from tribal symbolism and rightly so. I'd imagine some 'patriot' decided to hang portraits of Mrs Windsor around the gaff to 'piss on the lampposts', as it were.

No more of that nonsense downcow. Those days are over.”

And this was my question

“So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones”

Junkyard Tom · 16-07-2019 11:56pm

downcow wrote: »

Signage

I'm not sure to be honest. What's the story with it in Wales?

Edit: Just had a look. Why not follow the Welsh example?

FrancieBrady · 16-07-2019 11:57pm

downcow wrote: »

You want the context?

This was the statement by a poster

“Fair play to the guy.

There are very strict employment laws in the north that were designed to help dismantle the sectarianism ingrained in the environment unionists created for themselves.

The workplace must remain a neutral place free from tribal symbolism and rightly so. I'd imagine some 'patriot' decided to hang portraits of Mrs Windsor around the gaff to 'piss on the lampposts', as it were.

No more of that nonsense downcow. Those days are over.”

And this was my question

“So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones”

Irish is spoken by sections of both communities and seen as important by both. Unionists think it is important enough to include it in an act with Scots Irish.

So on what grounds is it or could it be 'offensive' in a workplace?

Pedro K · 17-07-2019 12:03am

downcow wrote: »

You want the context?

This was the statement by a poster

“Fair play to the guy.

There are very strict employment laws in the north that were designed to help dismantle the sectarianism ingrained in the environment unionists created for themselves.

The workplace must remain a neutral place free from tribal symbolism and rightly so. I'd imagine some 'patriot' decided to hang portraits of Mrs Windsor around the gaff to 'piss on the lampposts', as it were.

No more of that nonsense downcow. Those days are over.”

And this was my question

“So do you think Irish should be kept out of the workplace also? Or is this another case of , if it offends my ones”

I'll ask again. What if the signage had both English and Irish? Equal prominence. Surely a happy compromise?

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 12:14am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So on what grounds is it or could it be 'offensive' in a workplace?

In N. Ireland the Irish language is associated with Republicanism. As another poster said, if he went in to McDonalds and it had "Fir" on the toilet door, he would go to KFC or Burgerking next time.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 12:22am

janfebmar wrote: »

In N. Ireland the Irish language is associated with Republicanism. As another poster said, if he went in to McDonalds and it had "Fir" on the toilet door, he would go to KFC or Burgerking next time.

Do you think that is a reasonable attitude? Some unionists want to politicise the language because they see it as a threat. Other unionists do not see the language as a threat and are happy to see Irish used as part of a shared society.

FrancieBrady · 17-07-2019 12:27am

janfebmar wrote: »

In N. Ireland the Irish language is associated with Republicanism. As another poster said, if he went in to McDonalds and it had "Fir" on the toilet door, he would go to KFC or Burgerking next time.

Unionists think the Irish language is important enough to protect it in a Minority Languages Act.

There seems to be some confusion here.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 12:33am

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Some unionists want to politicise the language because they see it as a threat.

The Irish language was politicised already because of those who chose to use it and why. Many saw those who use it as a threat. A bit like how the Irish tricolour was hijacked by the Republican community and used to drape the coffins of pira members. Some people associated the Irish tricolour then as a threat because it was used by members who threatened their community.

What do you think of the civil servant, working for the queens shilling, who got offended because her photo was up in the workplace and he had to walk past it? He was paid £10,000 out of court and was consulted on what photo he would like in its place. Do you think people who have to walk past RC statues or pictures or crosses, or pictures of 1916 leaders, should get 10k each too?

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 12:38am

janfebmar wrote: »

The Irish language was politicised already because of those who chose to use it and why. Many saw those who use it as a threat. A bit like how the Irish tricolour was hijacked by the Republican community and used to drape the coffins of pira members. Some people associated the Irish tricolour then as a threat because it was used by members who threatened their community.

The Eglish language was used by the soldiers who murdered people on bloody sunday, is English a threat to nationalists as a result? That unionist polititions choose to associate the Irish language with a small minority of those who use it was a choice they made. This after they took significant steps to marganilse the use of the language in NI before the troubles ever started. The language was politicised by those who tried to kill it, not a handfull of terrorists who used it.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 12:42am

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The Eglish language was used by the soldiers who murdered people on bloody sunday, is English a threat to nationalists as a result?

Everyone uses English. It is not associated mostly with a particular community or political outlook.

FrancieBrady · 17-07-2019 12:46am

janfebmar wrote: »

The Irish language was politicised already because of those who chose to use it and why. Many saw those who use it as a threat.

Like this lassie?

As usual you are talking rubbish. Many people from all communities use Irish, and nobody finds it offensive.

Unionists themselves consider it important enough to include in a Minority Languages Act.

There are no grounds therefore to find it arbitrarily 'offensive', unless of course it reminds you that 'themuns are running the place'.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 12:52am

janfebmar wrote: »

Everyone uses English. It is not associated mostly with a particular community or political outlook.

Neither is Irish, except in the minds of Unionist propagandists and their hangers on. Irish is part of the shared herritage of NI and does not belong to one community or the other. You were as likely to find Irish speakers on the Shankill Road as on the Falls in the recent past. Protestants faced a lot of pressure to not speak Irish when political leaders decided to see it was a threat to Britishness.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 12:54am

A few token words now and again, fine. I use a cupla focail myself sometimes. A different matter to wanting Irish language signs up in the UK where everyone understands English.

Maybe you should advocate Boards.ie to make its home page headings bi-lingual?

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 12:56am

janfebmar wrote: »

A few token words now and again, fine. I use a cupla focail myself sometimes. A different matter to wanting Irish language signs up in the UK where everyone understands English.

Maybe you should advocate Boards.ie to make its home page headings bi-lingual?

Boards is a private company and can do what it wants, NI is not. A language act is a matter of enshrining protection for peoples rights in law.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 1:00am

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Boards is a private company and can do what it wants, NI is not.

It would not be practical or cost effective or look right to have the headings on boards.ie bi-lingual. Same as government signs. The only people who promote Irish in N. Ireland do so for political reasons. A generation or 2 ago in N. Ireland Irish was virtually never heard of at all.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 1:07am

janfebmar wrote: »

It would not be practical or cost effective or look right to have the headings on boards.ie bi-lingual. Same as government signs. The only people who promote Irish in N. Ireland do so for political reasons. A generation or 2 ago in N. Ireland Irish was virtually never heard of at all.

There is nothing impractical about having bilingual signage. Bilingual/multilingual signage is the norm in most of the world, perhaps you should try to broaden your horizons.

As for Irish not being widely heard in public in NI, that was for fear of getting your head bashed by the RUC and facing what was entrenched discrimination from the Orange state.

FrancieBrady · 17-07-2019 1:09am

janfebmar wrote: »

It would not be practical or cost effective or look right to have the headings on boards.ie bi-lingual. Same as government signs. The only people who promote Irish in N. Ireland do so for political reasons. A generation or 2 ago in N. Ireland Irish was virtually never heard of at all.

According to the 2001 Census, 658,103 people (36% of the population) had "some knowledge of Irish" – of whom 559,670 were Catholics and 48,509 were Protestants and "other Christians".

You are again talking ill informed rubbish.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 1:13am

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Bilingual/multilingual signage is the norm in most of the world

No it is not. Everyone in the UK understands English, no need for the extra expense of bi-lingual signage.

Maybe you should ask Ryanair to make all its info and signage bi-linguial in Irish and English?

Charles Babbage · 17-07-2019 1:15am

janfebmar wrote: »

A few token words now and again, fine. I use a cupla focail myself sometimes. A different matter to wanting Irish language signs up in the UK where everyone understands English.

Maybe you should advocate Boards.ie to make its home page headings bi-lingual?

So you think the Irish government is sectarian then? And the Scottish?

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 1:16am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to the 2001 Census, 658,103 people (36% of the population) had "some knowledge of Irish" – of whom 559,670 were Catholics and 48,509 were Protestants and "other Christians".

"Tiocadh ar La" that is some knowledge of Irish. Means nothing.

FrancieBrady · 17-07-2019 1:21am

janfebmar wrote: »

"Tiocadh ar La" that is some knowledge of Irish. Means nothing.

An anti Irish person assumes and denegrates Irish speakers. What a surprise.

Like SSM and abortion rights Unionists have turned into a cul de sac. An ILA is coming as a result, as sure as SSM and abortion rights are coming, as we approach equality in northern Ireland, even if some belligerent Unionists have to be dragged kicking and screaming to it.

Imreoir2 · 17-07-2019 1:23am

janfebmar wrote: »

No it is not. Everyone in the UK understands English, no need for the extra expense of bi-lingual signage.

Maybe you should ask Ryanair to make all its info and signage bi-linguial in Irish and English?

Yes, it is. Most of the world is bi/multi-lingual. Monolingualism is not very common.

Again you seem to not understand the difference between a private company and the state. There is need to provide bilingual sigange. The British state has an obligation under the European Charter on Minority and Regional Languages to do this, not to mention the obligation to provide an Irish language act under the Belfast Agreement.

What is the basis of your claim of an extra expence by the way? There is no additional signage, just the same number of signs that have both languages.

janfebmar · 17-07-2019 1:29am

Imreoir2 wrote: »

. There is need to provide bilingual sigange.

If there was a need to go to the expense and trouble of providing ugly, confusing signage, you can be sure progressive private and public quoted companies like boards.ie and Ryanair would be among the first to adopt or change its signage.

17-07-2019 2:27am

BTW how many protestants does this happen to?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/catholic-man-left-for-dead-in-kilkeel-after-brutal-sectarian-attack-says-family-38317501.html

Seems to be this sort of vile attack tends to happen to catholics in Northern Ireland.

Orange fever?

The glorious 12th

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