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AMD Zen Discussion Thread

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    #1292
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Are there NVME SSD's on the market yet than can make use of PCIe4?

    I know of a Gigabyte one with a copper heat sink. OC3D done testing of it on X570 and also X470. I'm only watching the video now so I do not know the performance difference yet.


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    #1293
    BloodBath
    Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Updated my last post with a link to a test. I'll link it again in case you missed it.

    Found a link testing a PCIe4 SSD. 4Gb's sequential read, 4.2 write going up to 4.8/4.4 with faster memory. That's around 10 times faster than my current SATA SSD's.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ss...vme,38418.html


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    #1294
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 53,927 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I currently have a Aorus X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING and thinking of getting the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X

    idk should I get a new mobo or will the Aorus be sufficient?


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    #1295
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Headshot wrote: »
    I currently have a Aorus X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING and thinking of getting the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X

    idk should I get a new mobo or will the Aorus be sufficient?

    It would be sufficient if it was the Ryzen 7 3700X but those 12 cores might push it as it was never a high end X470 board. You could sell the board to off set the cost.


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    #1296
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Gonna go the 3600 route and retain my H100i V2 just ordered the bracket. For the Tomahawk given the info above I take it the BIOS can be flashed with a USB key - I wont need a Zen+ processor?


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    #1297
    Redfox25
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    Which of the new Zen processors is the sweet spot for gaming?

    Have the upgrade itch........


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    #1298
    deceit
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    Has anyone seen the Gigabyte X570 Aorus extreme in stock anywhere? Looking to order it but most places don't have it.
    Novatech have it on order for 770 sterling and mindfactory have it due in on the 10th for 780 euro. So far would make sense to try mindfactory if no where else is in stock but would have to tell the missus I'm buying it then as she would help me with the translation to buy it (She's German). The less expensive pc purchases I make she see's the better :pac:


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    #1299
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Redfox25 wrote: »
    Which of the new Zen processors is the sweet spot for gaming?

    Have the upgrade itch........


    Personally I reckon the 3600 with a (compatible) B450 motherboard. The 3700X and an X570 board are a massive jump in price especially if like me you have to buy the RAM too.


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    #1300
    AlmightyCushion
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Personally I reckon the 3600 with a (compatible) B450 motherboard. The 3700X and an X570 board are a massive jump in price especially if like me you have to buy the RAM too.

    Can a 3700x be paired with a b450? I thought it could. If so it reduces the price difference considerably.


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    #1301
    [Deleted User]
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    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Can a 3700x be paired with a b450? I thought it could. If so it reduces the price difference considerably.

    Yes it can once the BIOS is updated.


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    #1302
    [Deleted User]
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    I have a 8600k OC'd to 4.7ghz. Is there any point going the 3600 route or am i just wasting my time? I like shiny :D


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    #1303
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have a 8600k OC'd to 4.7ghz. Is there any point going the 3600 route or am i just wasting my time? I like shiny :D

    3600 is just behind the 9600K for gaming beats it for productivity.


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    #1304
    [Deleted User]
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    An 8600k though? I purely use the machine for gaming.

    Nevermind. Just read that the 9600k is more or less the same as the 8600k but soldered.


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    #1305
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Can a 3700x be paired with a b450? I thought it could. If so it reduces the price difference considerably.

    Still near €150 in the difference. Which is quite a bit at that price point.


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    #1306
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    An 8600k though? I purely use the machine for gaming.

    Nevermind. Just read that the 9600k is more or less the same as the 8600k but soldered.

    Aren't the 8600K and 9600K almost identical apart from the 9600K clocks higher?

    3600 will probably have more longevity though as it has SMT. Also it may have better frame time consistency now. Pretty much a side grade IMHO.


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    #1307
    [Deleted User]
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Aren't the 8600K and 9600K almost identical apart from the 9600K clocks higher?

    Yea. You're right. Think i'll hold off for a while.


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    #1308
    AlmightyCushion
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Still near €150 in the difference. Which is quite a bit at that price point.

    I didn't realise it was that much in the difference. It's a big jump in price alright.


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    #1309
    cherryghost
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    I have a 6800k that doesn't really show any signs of slowing down but my upgrading itch needs scratching. Think I will wait for more mini atx options as I would like to downsize my pc in the next upgrade


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    #1310
    Headshot
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    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    It would be sufficient if it was the Ryzen 7 3700X but those 12 cores might push it as it was never a high end X470 board. You could sell the board to off set the cost.

    I've been reading up on this and found a very helpful link

    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3900x-3700x-tested-on-x470/

    I think I might be okay.


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    #1311
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Wow, AMD delivers in a big way, first time since X2


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    #1312
    shootermacg
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    Bit worried about the PCIE 4 boards needing a fan for cooling. I might hold off and see if a passive solution comes.

    Where do you guys buy your parts these days?


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    #1313
    BloodBath
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Bit worried about the PCIE 4 boards needing a fan for cooling. I might hold off and see if a passive solution comes.

    Where do you guys buy your parts these days?

    It shouldn't be a problem unless you're hammering the PCI lanes. Most of them only spin up when loaded.


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    #1314
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Well, let's see how this goes. Ordered a 3700x and a MSI B450M Mortar from Amazon - hopefully the BIOS flashback thingy works. X570 prices are crazy, and I have a mATX case as well, high-end AMD doesn't seem to like mATX too much. 410 pounds for the lot which is a bit cheaper than getting an i7-9700k, cooler and motherboard. i7-9700 non-K was an option, but it seems Intel only made about two of them.

    My last AMD CPU was a X2 4600 I think, been a while.


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    #1315
    Canis Lupus
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    I see a 3600x in my near future. My 3570k served me well, the 3770k cheapo upgrade I got recently has served me better but it's time to modernise I think.


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    #1316
    Icyseanfitz
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    shootermacg wrote: »
    Bit worried about the PCIE 4 boards needing a fan for cooling. I might hold off and see if a passive solution comes.

    Where do you guys buy your parts these days?

    think gigabyte have an aorus x570 board with passive pcie4 cooling


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    #1317
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Screw it, 10% off ebay. Pulled trigger on 3600x, msi tomohawk b450 and 16gb ram. $654 Australian dollary doos. That's me done for some time now or else my missus will disown me.


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    #1318
    jebidiah
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    Exciting stuff! I'm tempted to go from a 1600 & b350 to the new platform. Would I need to upgrade to a b450 board to get the most out of the new CPU?


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    #1319
    K.O.Kiki
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    jebidiah wrote: »
    Exciting stuff! I'm tempted to go from a 1600 & b350 to the new platform. Would I need to upgrade to a b450 board to get the most out of the new CPU?

    I'd avoid B350, they just didn't have any good motherboards in general & the value isn't there compared to X370/B450.


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    #1320
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    jebidiah wrote: »
    Exciting stuff! I'm tempted to go from a 1600 & b350 to the new platform. Would I need to upgrade to a b450 board to get the most out of the new CPU?

    Check your manufacturer website for the board and see if they have a new bios to support Zen 2 CPUs. If they do you'd be fine using it for a 3600/x or even 3700x for the time being. If you're looking at going for a big overclock down the line you could always ways upgrade that later but it's not really necessary right now.

    I wouldn't buy a b350 new right now, but I also wouldn't brother upgrading if I had one and wasn't going for one of the higher end Zen 2 chips or looking at a massive overclock.

    You'll be grand with your current bored, people are obsessed with vram and **** and to be honest, it makes feck all difference for 99.99999% of consumers.


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    #1321
    jebidiah
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Check your manufacturer website for the board and see if they have a new bios to support Zen 2 CPUs. If they do you'd be fine using it for a 3600/x or even 3700x for the time being. If you're looking at going for a big overclock down the line you could always ways upgrade that later but it's not really necessary right now.

    I wouldn't buy a b350 new right now, but I also wouldn't brother upgrading if I had one and wasn't going for one of the higher end Zen 2 chips or looking at a massive overclock.

    You'll be grand with your current bored, people are obsessed with vram and **** and to be honest, it makes feck all difference for 99.99999% of consumers.

    Good point. I've been running my 1600 OC'd to 3.8GHz since I got it with no problems to VRM temps. Board is a Gigabyte B350 m gaming 3 which seems to be supported (bios download available with "3rd Gen AMD Ryzen CPU full support").

    Although it might be easier to sell board and chip as a bundle and upgrade from there.


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