AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Polar101

'Magic wrote:

;110640677']I see some of ye ordered 3700x from amazon uk but I'm getting this msg: This item does not ship to Ireland. Any other ryzen3000 available except 3700x

Yeah, looks like it does say that now but only for 3700x. On Sunday shipping to Ireland was still fine.

BloodBath

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

What memory should I be looking at. Ideally I want some 3200 CL14 but it seems expensive. Can you up the voltage a bit on CL16 and run it at CL14? I see 3466 as the maximum on the mobos I'm looking at but they say 3466+ so do they support 3600 does anyone know? Looking at the B450 Tomahawk at the moment.

3200 CL14 still seems to be the sweet spot. The 3600 stuff tends to be CL17 and around the same price with the same performance as 3200/CL14. That's on x570 though. They are all massively overpriced though and not worth it. They are double the price of the cheap Corsair 3200/CL16 stuff.

All the low timing stuff is Samsung B-die which isn't even in production anymore so prices aren't going to improve until A-die comes out. It's possible that they will be DDR-5 though.

You would be better off putting that extra money towards a better gpu for more performance.

Be interested to see if you can get the timings down closer to CL14 on the cheap Corsair vengeance CL16 kits with an overclock. Even CL15 would be fine for the price.

Is there still RAM compatibility issues on B450??

Samuel T. Cogley

BloodBath wrote: »

3200 CL14 still seems to be the sweet spot. The 3600 stuff tends to be CL17 and around the same price with the same performance as 3200/CL14. That's on x570 though. They are all massively overpriced though and not worth it. They are double the price of the cheap Corsair 3200/CL16 stuff.

All the low timing stuff is Samsung B-die which isn't even in production anymore so prices aren't going to improve until A-die comes out. It's possible that they will be DDR-5 though.

You would be better off putting that extra money towards a better gpu for more performance.

Be interested to see if you can get the timings down closer to CL14 on the cheap Corsair vengeance CL16 kits with an overclock. Even CL15 would be fine for the price.

Does that linked HyperX kit look okay for a 3600 with a B450 Tomahawk build?

wotzgoingon

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

What memory should I be looking at. Ideally I want some 3200 CL14 but it seems expensive. Can you up the voltage a bit on CL16 and run it at CL14? I see 3466 as the maximum on the mobos I'm looking at but they say 3466+ so do they support 3600 does anyone know? Looking at the B450 Tomahawk at the moment.

Edit: What do you reckon I should sell a 4790K, 16GB RAM (1333Mhz but OCs) and an Asus Z97-P for?

This is a good price I think anyway for 3200MHz CL14. It is cherry picked RAM that is tested at those speeds and timings.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-dark-pro-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-25600c14-3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html

K.O.Kiki

Anandtech went & analyzed 35 motherboards!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-motherboard-overview

Serephucus

Looks like the X570-WS doesn't have IPMI any more? That's extremely irritating.

BloodBath

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Does that linked HyperX kit look okay for a 3600 with a B450 Tomahawk build?

Would be fine I'd say. The CL14 stuff linked there is a decent price. Not so bad if you're only getting 16gb. 32-64 starts getting expensive.

savemejebus

Some decent ram deals on amazon.de

32gb Ballistix 3200 CL16 in Red. If you can wait a bit for delivery This will come to 147 delivered

32gb Ballistix 3200 CL16 in camo. Immediately available but E15 more

z0oT

The Overclock3d review of the 3900X & 3700X is well worth a watch/read.
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_x470_vs_x570_review/1

He's one of the few who did all the testing on both an X570 & X470 motherboard. Negligible difference between them.

Interestingly enough too, he tested a PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD on both motherboards and found it to run at the same speed on both. Granted both boards were high-end Asus ROG Crosshair's. I'd be more curious to see what the PCIe 4.0 M.2 drive would do on B450 boards.

Mr Crispy

If I was able to buy now, I'd probably be looking at the 3700X on a good B450 board.

Polar101

savemejebus wrote: »

Some decent ram deals on amazon.de

32gb Ballistix 3200 CL16 in Red. If you can wait a bit for delivery This will come to 147 delivered

32gb Ballistix 3200 CL16 in camo. Immediately available but E15 more

I got Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB CL16 3200 MHz for €160.51 delivered, just because I have those Ballistix sticks in my old computer (not 3200MHz though) and wanted something different this time. Amazon.de seems to be cheaper for memory than UK.

Same RAM as i've had for years. Not had one single problem with either stick.

K.O.Kiki

Interesting sidenote from eteknix review of X570 boards:
https://www.eteknix.com/msi-meg-x570-godlike-motherboard-review/5/

Some mobos are definitely better than others right now.

H3llR4iser

z0oT wrote: »

The Overclock3d review of the 3900X & 3700X is well worth a watch/read.
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_x470_vs_x570_review/1

He's one of the few who did all the testing on both an X570 & X470 motherboard. Negligible difference between them.

Interestingly enough too, he tested a PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD on both motherboards and found it to run at the same speed on both. Granted both boards were high-end Asus ROG Crosshair's. I'd be more curious to see what the PCIe 4.0 M.2 drive would do on B450 boards.

Yeah, saw that - also there seems to be a small issue with the new CPUs drawing more power on x570 chipsets for whatever reason; Surely it's something that'll get fixed / modified as new bios revisions become available.

As my main issue with my current setup lays in the fact I'm not 100% satisfied with the mainboard (an Asus Prime B350-Plus, one of the very first revisions - it's not bad but quite a bit "entry level"), I'm seriously considering getting an Aorus X470 Ultra Gaming now, use it with the current CPU until R9 hits the market in numbers (at the moment there's still a 7-10 days SHIPPING WAIT on Amazon, which means they don't really have these...).

It may not sound like the smartest move in terms of "future proofing" but...really, building PCs for 20 years has taught me there is no such thing as "future proofing". Whatever you get now will be pretty much obsolete in 2 years time in any case.

.G.

z0oT wrote:

The Overclock3d review of the 3900X & 3700X is well worth a watch/read.

He's one of the few who did all the testing on both an X570 & X470 motherboard. Negligible difference between them.

Interestingly enough too, he tested a PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD on both motherboards and found it to run at the same speed on both. Granted both boards were high-end Asus ROG Crosshair's. I'd be more curious to see what the PCIe 4.0 M.2 drive would do on B450 boards.

Interesting indeed. Maybe no need to buy x570, just get an x470 mobo and avoid the annoying little fan altogether.

Polar101

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, looks like it does say that now but only for 3700x. On Sunday shipping to Ireland was still fine.

It's now shipping to Ireland for anyone interested.

Samuel T. Cogley

Pulled the trigger on that HyperX RAM a B450 Tomahawk and a 3600.

May not be able to get to 3200 though:

jebidiah

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Pulled the trigger on that HyperX RAM a B450 Tomahawk and a 3600.

May not be able to get to 3200 though:

Saw this earlier. Hopefully other b350 mobos perform as well

z0oT

12 cores on a low end budget B350 motherboard. Impressive that it's handled just fine at stock. Probably means that the 3900X or 3950X will actually be handled okay in an ITX system with a good motherboard.

The above makes me hope somebody will try a 3950X (when it comes out) on an A320 motherboard just for giggles. :P

Subcomandante Marcos

z0oT wrote: »

12 cores on a low end budget B350 motherboard. Impressive that it's handled just fine at stock. Probably means that the 3900X or 3950X will actually be handled okay in an ITX system with a good motherboard.

The above makes me hope somebody will try a 3950X (when it comes out) on an A320 motherboard just for giggles. :P

I saw one of the techtubers was ordering an a320 go try the 3900x to **** around with as they didn't have one. If you could get the 3600 running stock with it's stated boost clock stable that would be incredible value for money for someone on a strict budget.

Throw in an RX 570 and you could build a 1080p high graphics 60fps entry level machine for much less than €500.

K.O.Kiki

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I saw one of the techtubers was ordering an a320 go try the 3900x to **** around with as they didn't have one. If you could get the 3600 running stock with it's stated boost clock stable that would be incredible value for money for someone on a strict budget.

Throw in an RX 570 and you could build a 1080p high graphics 60fps entry level machine for much less than €500.

You can do that with a 2600 right now.

Subcomandante Marcos

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

You can do that with a 2600 right now.

But why settle for a 2600 when the 3600 out performs it massively?

TerrorFirmer

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

But why settle for a 2600 when the 3600 out performs it massively?

Because it's miles cheaper and is still a good CPU. That's like saying why settle for a 9400F when the 9600K out performs it.

On a strict budget, you'd be better off with a 2600 and 1660 versus say a 3600 and 570.

shootermacg

What would you guys suggest as a good PSU/CPU/Mainboard/RAM combo for a 3700x? Getting good bang for the buck?

Samuel T. Cogley

shootermacg wrote: »

What would you guys suggest as a good PSU/CPU/Mainboard/RAM combo for a 3700x? Getting good bang for the buck?

B450 tomahawk for the mainboard let you know on the rest when it arrives. Is this gaming, productivity or both?

K.O.Kiki

PSU: anything above 500W Gold should do. Best value right now is Riotoro Enigma G2 650W Fully modular - £73 on CCL

Motherboard wise, you can pick up the X370 ASUS Crosshair VI Hero for ~120, or a MSI B450 motherboard with BIOS Flashback. Get DDR4-3200 CL16 at the minimum - crosscheck with QVL lists but a 16Gb kit should be less than £70.

Still unsure on X570 motherboards but once prices settle, the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) or ASUS Prime X570-P might be the best bet.

2Mad2BeMad

Just ordered my new build

Ryzen 3600 with rtx2060 super I'm so hyped xD I'm an Intel fan boy but had to pick the amd CPU really is alot of bang for buck

shootermacg

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

B450 tomahawk for the mainboard let you know on the rest when it arrives. Is this gaming, productivity or both?

Mostly gaming to be honest.

Samuel T. Cogley

shootermacg wrote: »

Mostly gaming to be honest.

If it's anything over 1080p you might also consider the 3600. Not much between it and the 3700x in games, but there is a question over if it will support 3200 memory.