Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It isn't disrespectful to say, even using that language, that someone is attractive to you.

Similarly, nobody should be alarmed or disquieted by the common expression that some woman gives a man 'the horn'.

So what?

Who exactly are the snowflakes here? Some people upset themselves over the most trivial things.

The issue isn’t about “snowflakes” and it’s tiresome when that term is used in every debate in order to deflect. I’m not in any way disquieted or alarmed :rolleyes: This isn’t about me.
I’ve reared 2 independent strong daughters both of whom travelled the world on their own and learned how to deal with any kind of situation. They’re far from snowflakes.
I’m merely pointing out the inconsistencies in Ciara Kelly’s arguments.
Men can’t be vilified for everything . Not everything should be out there and in your face. There’s no difference between men and women anymore if women act like lads on a night out. There’s no mystery, no class.

I don’t watch Love Island so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. But if you’re rearing young girls to be respectful of themselves and able to deal with men as equals and for those same men to respect them, then I’d
advise against certain anatomical terminologies to begin with.
I’m no prude and have had many relationships, but I’m an adult.

I know this is a TV show and not real life but from what I’ve heard kids as young as 10 are watching it. In light of a very tragic case here dealing with juvenile boys raping and murdering another child I’d be quite concerned about the impact something like Love Island has on young minds.........everyone is basically seen as a sex object. Terminology like “fanny flutters” and “getting the horn” will be in the playground next. Kids brains are like sponges, they’re absorbing all this.

I’m just surprised that Ciara Kelly who is a doctor and a mother wouldn’t see this too? As a society we can’t have it every way. Anyway the above is only my opinion and maybe I’m completely out of touch.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't watch this rubbish either but there is a 9pm watershed. If people want to watch this rubbish then they should be able to watch it. The real issue here is what are parents doing letting kids watch it. It's on after 9pm so it's deemed not suitable for family viewing.

True, I’ve no problem with people watching it but even with 9pm watershed especially as school holidays are here I’d say plenty of 10-14 year olds see it .......then again maybe they see worse on their smartphones. Maybe I’m just out of touch but I find it quite depressing.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The issue isn’t about “snowflakes” and it’s tiresome when that term is used in every debate in order to deflect.

I agree. But let's be consistent. The views that are often espoused by Kelly are usually dismissed as being sympathetic to snowflakes.

I’m merely pointing out the inconsistencies in Ciara Kelly’s arguments.
Men can’t be vilified for everything .

Hold your horses. Who has ever said that men ought to be vilified for everything?

Ciara Kelly specifically stated on Fridays show that men had enjoyed sexual libération since the year dot (I'd add a caveat to that, gay men and trans men haven't, but this is to digress...), and now it's women's turn. Nobody was attacking men.

Not everything should be out there and in your face. There’s no difference between men and women anymore if women act like lads on a night out. There’s no mystery, no class.

Clearly you think class is a good thing. I disagree. I see it as an obnoxious cancer on normal human behaviour, heavily rooted in (guess what? ) social class and class markers.

If such a thing as class exists in any figurative sense, it's the ability to get beyond small-minded assumptions about how others should behave or live their lives.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Apologies ..... maybe it was the wrong choice of word in this context , by class I mean ‘self - respect’ ........the same as the popular phrase “stay classy”.
I’m not talking about socio economic groups. Anyone can act with class , to me it means manners and self respect.

Oh I totally get where you're coming from about manners, I didn't mean to insinuate the you were in favour of social classism.

What I mean is that manners are themselves trash. They're a social construct, which cannot be distinguished from social class norms.

So-called coarse language (aka Anglo saxon) is banned on this website for example, for reasons that are beyond my comprehension. As far as I care, such rules are nothing more than a social code which intends to determine who belongs in which economic class, or category.

The same goes for language like calling someone "crass" or an "oaf". It might not automatically seem like classism, but the implication is there alright.