Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

meeeeh

Murdoc90 wrote: »

but its so edgy and off the cuff! WHO KNOWS WHATS COMING NEXT!! Certainly not Ciara!! :rolleyes:

While I thought today's show was a bit boring I think this type of constant whinging is infinitely tedious. It stopped being original last year.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

While I thought today's show was a bit boring I think this type of constant whinging is infinitely tedious. It stopped being original last year.

It's bewildering. What does it matter if Ciara Kelly prompts the callers at the outset for possible topics. The show can and does change course multiple times on a Friday.

You can't have a host just sitting silently by the mic, waiting for the phone to ring. And obviously Ciara Kelly has to be informed by her producer what the next topics are, because some people can't navigate the key points of a story or an opinion without prompts, especially when nervous.

For the record, I don't even like the Unscripted programme as much as the ordinary one, so this isn't a defence of the show itself. Just that some of the criticism is a bit strained.

Edit, not saying that as a mod, feel free to criticise this aspect of the show (obviously!)

givyjoe

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's bewildering. What does it matter if Ciara Kelly prompts the callers at the outset for possible topics. The show can and does change course multiple times on a Friday.

You can't have a host just sitting silently by the mic, waiting for the phone to ring. And obviously Ciara Kelly has to be informed by her producer what the next topics are, because some people can't navigate the key points of a story or an opinion without prompts, especially when nervous.

For the record, I don't even like the Unscripted programme as much as the ordinary one, so this isn't a defence of the show itself. Just that some of the criticism is a bit strained.

Edit, not saying that as a mod, feel free to criticise this aspect of the show (obviously!)

I think you're missing the point, the criticism is probably motivated by how Ciara markets it herself. Every week on twitter she makes as out its going to be mad roller coaster where anything could happen. She is very eagerly promoting the show based on it being 'unscripted' when clearly it's absolutely nothing of the sort.

sydthebeat

givyjoe wrote: »

I think you're missing the point, the criticism is probably motivated by how Ciara markets it herself. Every week on twitter she makes as out its going to be mad roller coaster where anything could happen. She is very eagerly promoting the show based on it being 'unscripted' when clearly it's absolutely nothing of the sort.

Agreed

at this stage there is pretty much no external difference to listeners between a weekday show and a Friday show.

its portrayed as "live and unscripted" ... yet they do not tell us what sections of the weekday shows arent live... so how are we supposed to differentiate? isnt the show always "live"?

also, its not unscripted as she often takes follow-on calls on different issues during the week which obvious arent "scripted" in that sense.

The main difference i see with the friday show is all internal to the production. While the editors can still pick what subjects to tackle... they ultimately are picking from what callers offer during the week.... so the callers can control the agenda as such. But thats about it.... the production team still sets the schedule of topics, length of time given to each... with some "throw back" time near the end of the show to revisit some points.


Ultimately however.... The Friday shows continue appear to have little difference to the other weekday shows.

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givyjoe wrote: »

I think you're missing the point, the criticism is probably motivated by how Ciara markets it herself. Every week on twitter she makes as out its going to be mad roller coaster where anything could happen. She is very eagerly promoting the show based on it being 'unscripted' when clearly it's absolutely nothing of the sort.

I don't see Ciara being any different to any other presenter on how they market their show with short snippets for playing on other shows or on Twitter.
This frustration that 'anything can happen' should mean absolutely no filtering of content whatsoever is just not going to happen in todays world.
I think some people are just using this as a stick to beat her with because they want to beat her with something.

If you are so annoyed, why are you following her on Twitter?

givyjoe

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I don't see Ciara being any different to any other presenter on how they market their show with short snippets for playing on other shows or on Twitter.
This frustration that 'anything can happen' should mean absolutely no filtering of content whatsoever is just not going to happen in todays world.
I think some people are just using this as a stick to beat her with because they want to beat her with something.

If you are so annoyed, why are you following her on Twitter?

She doesn't market her show the same as any other presenter on Newstalk that I can see, in so far as they don't bleat on about a particular aspect of their show and market it almost exclusively on this fact, when it bears no resemblance to the reality. It's odd.

I don't follow her or the shows twitter page, I follow Newstalk. Also, how do you make out that I'm 'so annoyed'? Merely making an observation on why others are so frustrated with the same shtick being rolled out, week after week. Why do so many folks here, get so defensive on her behalf?

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givyjoe wrote: »

She doesn't market her show the same as any other presenter on Newstalk that I can see, in so far as they don't bleat on about a particular aspect of their show and market it almost exclusively on this fact, when it bears no resemblance to the reality. It's odd.

I don't follow her or the shows twitter page, I follow Newstalk. Also, how do you make out that I'm 'so annoyed'? Merely making an observation on why others are so frustrated with the same shtick being rolled out, week after week. Why do so many folks here, get so defensive on her behalf?

Because, speaking for myself, am sick of every topic with potential for discussion becoming a "OMG She's f*ckin terrible" within 1-3 posts.

I'm not defensive on her behalf, I'm defensive on behalf of the reality of what is happening and the purpose/intent of a discussion forum.

givyjoe

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Because, speaking for myself, am sick of every topic with potential for discussion becoming a "OMG She's f*ckin terrible" within 1-3 posts.

I'm not defensive on her behalf, I'm defensive on behalf of the reality of what is happening and the purpose/intent of a discussion forum.

The reality of what is happening? Tell me, what is happening other than folks discussing the topic of the thread? People are complaining about a specific part of the show that irritates them, that the presenter does with vigor week in week out. You like her, others don't and people are here discussing the why's of each, so remind me again what you're defending?

Scott Tenorman

I don't mind Ciara but i too find the marketing of this annoying and bizarre.

They obviously pre-choose suggested topics (Ciara even comes on Pat's show and tells us what the topics are going to be FFS) and that is the correct and proper way to run the show.

So why keep up this whole "this-is-mad-we-have-no-idea-whats-next" crap?

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givyjoe wrote: »

The reality of what is happening? Tell me, what is happening other than folks discussing the topic of the thread? People are complaining about a specific part of the show that irritates them, that the presenter does with vigor week in week out. You like her, others don't and people are here discussing the why's of each, so remind me again what you're defending?

We'll try again.

the reality of what is happening and the purpose/intent of a discussion forum.

givyjoe

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We'll try again.

Perhaps you should look inwards with regard to defending a discussion or forum, I don't really think you're meeting your own standard with such posts.

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givyjoe wrote: »

Perhaps you should look inwards with regard to defending a discussion or forum, I don't really think you're meeting your own standard with such posts.

Great time to become interested in discussing something. I'm out now.
Can continue next week maybe.

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Scott Tenorman wrote: »

I don't mind Ciara but i too find the marketing of this annoying and bizarre.

They obviously pre-choose suggested topics (Ciara even comes on Pat's show and tells us what the topics are going to be FFS) and that is the correct and proper way to run the show.

So why keep up this whole "this-is-mad-we-have-no-idea-whats-next" crap?

Pat does this on the breakfast show, Ciara does it on Pat's show, Ivan does it on Moncrieff etc.

The Friday show is the only time they try to communicate that topics can be discussed which the listeners focus.

Scott Tenorman

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Pat does this on the breakfast show, Ciara does it on Pat's show, Ivan does it on Moncrieff etc.

The Friday show is the only time they try to communicate that topics can be discussed which the listeners focus.

I think you are missing the point, she is simultaneously telling us it is unscripted while telling us what the script is!

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Scott Tenorman wrote: »

I think you are missing the point, she is simultaneously telling us it is unscripted while telling us what the script is!

Because they have accumulated the topics from people contacting them throughout the week. The unscripted element is that the show/production team/Ciara isn't the primary instigator of creating the topics of conversation for the Friday.

redbuck

meeeeh wrote: »

I think it was clear there could be legal implications if she continued.

If you're running an unscripted show you have to be prepared for anything.

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redbuck wrote: »

If you're running an unscripted show you have to be prepared for anything.

Say someone called John texts in that they want to talk about how the bin collectors in their region have all raised their price by 30% within 6 months of each other meaning there is some sort of price fixing going on. The producer thinks that that may be an interesting topic and calls John to verify the story and to ask if he is willing to discuss on air. John convinces the producer it is a true story and says he'd love to discuss with Ciara on Friday.

Ciara announces the topic coming up after the break is John discussing Refuse Company Cartels and then says "Joining us now to discuss is John". John says, "No, this is Paul, and I want to discuss that the local Garda sergeant is a recreational drug user"(or whatever. What else can they do only halt the conversation immediately?

The show does the 'Unscripted Fridays' but I think that everyone should realise that it cannot be taken as literally as this.

meeeeh

redbuck wrote: »

If you're running an unscripted show you have to be prepared for anything.

You can't defame someone or possibly interfere with the investigation. Being prepared for anything also means not to be stupid enough to follow the caller into the hole they want to drag you in.

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Tell me how wrote: »

Because they have accumulated the topics from people contacting them throughout the week.

I don't even understand what the supposed conspiracy is here. Of course the production team are interested in what listeners want to talk about, because that's how you maintain relevance.

Newstalk can't rely on a licence fee. They can't afford to engage in projects that interest them personally but have no relevance to listeners. If people tune out, the lights will eventually go off (Denis O'Brien, rich as he is, isn't interested in funding a radio station for the craic).

Can someone therefore explain this theory, that Lunchtime Live producers are... what, sitting around a meeting room, presumably drinking the blood of straight white men, and orchestrating a sham caller-driven show? Why? And how?

redbuck

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Say someone called John texts in that they want to talk about how the bin collectors in their region have all raised their price by 30% within 6 months of each other meaning there is some sort of price fixing going on. The producer thinks that that may be an interesting topic and calls John to verify the story and to ask if he is willing to discuss on air. John convinces the producer it is a true story and says he'd love to discuss with Ciara on Friday.

Ciara announces the topic coming up after the break is John discussing Refuse Company Cartels and then says "Joining us now to discuss is John". John says, "No, this is Paul, and I want to discuss that the local Garda sergeant is a recreational drug user"(or whatever. What else can they do only halt the conversation immediately?

The show does the 'Unscripted Fridays' but I think that everyone should realise that it cannot be taken as literally as this.

Are you an employee of Newstalk?

You derail every thread where someone dares have a negative opinion on one of your beloved shows. You can't honestly think that every part of these shows is brilliant can you?

Why do you feel the need to constantly defend them all the time over the most minute criticisms?

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redbuck wrote: »

Are you an employee of Newstalk?

You derail every thread where someone dares have a negative opinion on one of your beloved shows. You can't honestly think that every part of these shows is brilliant can you?

Why do you feel the need to constantly defend them all the time over the most minute criticisms?

Let's try once again redbuck.

Tell me how wrote: »

Because, speaking for myself, am sick of every topic with potential for discussion becoming a "OMG She's f*ckin terrible" within 1-3 posts.

I'm not defensive on her behalf, I'm defensive on behalf of the reality of what is happening and the purpose/intent of a discussion forum.

Also, you see me on post on a lot of NT threads. Which means you are on those threads. Which means that you listen to those shows. And yet, all you post is negativity. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to challenge it.

Mod: Redbuck banned.

Bit of civility, please? Everyone is equally entitled to express a relevant opinion, whether in favour of programme content, or against.

This is not a platform for personal attacks

jeremyj1968

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Because they have accumulated the topics from people contacting them throughout the week. The unscripted element is that the show/production team/Ciara isn't the primary instigator of creating the topics of conversation for the Friday.

Unscripted to me means that a call comes in and you take it on the air. If you take calls during the week and then cherry pick which ones you want to call back, then this is scripted. Same as Joe Duffy, I think nearly all the callers at some stage say "Well Joe, your researcher called me to speak about this". (Then he sighs, gets angry that the curtain has been pulled back from the little charade, and goes to a break)

Unscripted - said or delivered without a prepared script; impromptu.


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Deleted User wrote: »

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Not at all sensitive thank you.

I'm related to Ciara about as much as you were related to Gerry Ryan, ditto in terms of working for the show or the station.

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jeremyj1968 wrote: »

Unscripted to me means that a call comes in and you take it on the air. If you take calls during the week and then cherry pick which ones you want to call back, then this is scripted. Same as Joe Duffy, I think nearly all the callers at some stage say "Well Joe, your researcher called me to speak about this". (Then he sighs, gets angry that the curtain has been pulled back from the little charade, and goes to a break)

Unscripted - said or delivered without a prepared script; impromptu.


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What you are looking for can simply not happen on any station without inevitable legal implications.

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Back on topic

the_pen_turner

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What you are looking for can simply not happen on any station without inevitable legal implications.

nobody really believes or wants that too happen. too dangerous and unpredictable.
the problem is that they claim it is when it clearly isnt. its just marketing BS



i dont see why they couldnt do it with a 5 minute delay . all these shows are delayed by a small amount since the jerry ryan 'where would you like to be buried' hilarity

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the_pen_turner wrote: »

nobody really believes or wants that too happen. too dangerous and unpredictable.
the problem is that they claim it is when it clearly isnt. its just marketing BS



i dont see why they couldnt do it with a 5 minute delay . all these shows are delayed by a small amount since the jerry ryan 'where would you like to be buried' hilarity

But, isn't that what all shows/stations do?

"Tune in tonight for all you need for your weekends entertainment"
"Bringing you the best matches in the EPL" - like they are responsible for the quality of the game.
"Asking all the hard questions!" - (which have been vetted and approved)
"Bringing you the most interesting guests" - (if you missed them a month ago)

All of these are used to entice listeners. In this case, (which is only one show a week) people can't seem to hack that it is not literal.

Sleeper12

the_pen_turner wrote:

i dont see why they couldnt do it with a 5 minute delay . all these shows are delayed by a small amount since the jerry ryan 'where would you like to be buried' hilarity

"up to my b##### in BB". I nearly choked when I head that. Even poor Gerry was stunned.

I loved the Gerry Ryan show and for the most part I like this show. This claim to live & unscripted drives me insane each time I hear it. Gerry was live & unscripted BUT he had the luxury of playing a few songs when the calls dried up or he could waffle on about Thunderbirds and Airfix model airplanes. Ciaras show can never be truly unscripted with or without a 5 minutes delay & I don't have a problem with that. It is the marketing of the roller-coaster anything can happen that annoys me. False advertising for sure.

FreudianSlippers

redbuck wrote: »

Dr Kelly said that the next caller was Dermot to talk about the local elections and when the caller came on he said his name was Rob and he wanted to talk about sexual abuse in some institution, I can't remember the name unfortunatley.

Dr Kelly said that she wasn't prepared for this call she was supposed to talk about the local election and basically hung up on the guy.

She proceeded to move on to a harder hitting issue, the Spice Girls concert tonight.

Completely the correct decision there by Kelly (or more likely her producer) as there were serious defamation concerns with that call.