How long does it usually take for a first time gun license to be approved?

Mr. Speedy · 07-06-2019 8:31pm #1

Howya guys,

Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.

And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible

Thanks in advance!

meathstevie · 07-06-2019 8:46pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Howya guys,

Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.

And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible

Thanks in advance!

Entirely dependent on how quick your local district moves. In some district it can be as quick as two or three weeks, in other districts it can be several months.....

tac foley · 07-06-2019 9:37pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Howya guys,

Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.

And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible

Never going to happen for a rifle. Especially for a first application.

Live with it.

Mr. Speedy · 07-06-2019 11:21pm

tac foley wrote: »

Never going to happen for a rifle. Especially for a first application.

Live with it.

Which is never going to happen? The gardai coming for a cup of tea and a biscuit, or the license itself

JohnFitz2332 · 07-06-2019 11:42pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Which is never going to happen? The gardai coming for a cup of tea and a biscuit, or the license itself

They won't come out to check it. But you should have everything in order anyway. Safe securely fixed to a wall or floor etc

Cass · 07-06-2019 11:59pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.

Just a little tip, never use 5.56 in a 223 rifle. They are not the same cartridge.

And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)?

No one can answer that correctly. It's at the Super's discretion so you may get a visit or you may not.

I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled

Statistically you're at higher risk as isolation provides a quiet place and little to no traffic to disturb a wood-be burglar.

and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible

Then i'd advise avoiding being a gun owner.

It might not happen when you apply, but chances are you will get a visit at some point in your shooting life and shooting as a sport is not the thing to be in if you want to avoid An Gardaí as they are an intricate part of the life style.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 12:12pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

They won't come out to check it. But you should have everything in order anyway. Safe securely fixed to a wall or floor etc

Don't worry my post made me sound like a complete tool and I apologize for any loss of brain cells

But yes its very very secure (Back of a cabinet, steel backplated to whats essentially an RSJ just for reinforcement in the house)

To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe

I and some others just have this sort of stigma around the gardaí that they're always trying to find something to do you for but it's obviously not the case

But thank you very much for the replies!

Cass · 08-06-2019 12:32pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe

Correct.

The 5.56 is usually made to NATO spec (its why it's called a NATO round) and is usually "hotter" than your standard 223 round and as such it has much higher pressure than the 223.

There are other, subtle, differences. The 5,56 has a slightly different shoulder to the 223, and the freebore or leade on a 5.56 rifle is usally a little more than a 223 rifle.

What that all means. A 5.56 round in a 223 rifle would produce about 15,000 psi more than a 223 round. The round is "longer" than the 223 and hence the free bore is lessened which can increase pressure, and because the case (of 5.56) has not the room to expand properly in a 223 all this can lead to catastrophic failure of the rifle. Best case, and by best i mean non life threatening, is the case gets stuck in your barrel, but as a rule it's best to just not shoot them (5.56) in a 223 rifle).

In the reverses (223 in a 5.56) its all the opposite. The 223 has loads of free bore, less pressure, more room to expand, etc. Meaning the 223 can be safely fired from any 5.56 rifle. The only issue is most 5.56 rifles are fast twist rate which are designed to fire a very specific bullet (usually 62-64gr with the occasional 77gr thrown in) and so anything other than these bullets will result in poor performance.

I and some others just have this sort of stigma around the gardaí that they're always trying to find something to do you for but it's obviously not the case

We give out about AGS on this forum, we slag them, and it can be frustrating dealing with them considering the attitudes of some members of the force however i don't think i've ever seen or read anyone be outright disrespectful or condemning of them. We know they have a job to do and we know we must work with them.

cookimonster · 08-06-2019 12:35pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

.....To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe .....

A good explanation here:

https://youtu.be/70unU8ntKO4

Nobelium · 08-06-2019 12:36pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible

why ? . . and you want a gun ??

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 12:46pm

Out of interest, do AGS just call to your house or will they give you notice? I'd want to have the place hoovered and tidied at least

Cass · 08-06-2019 12:47pm

cookimonster wrote: »

A good explanation here:

https://youtu.be/70unU8ntKO4

At 7:13

"Read your instructions, DON'T just read the crap you hear online".

Coming from a man doing an ONLINE video.

Cass · 08-06-2019 12:52pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

Out of interest, do AGS just call to your house or will they give you notice?

Every time they have called, and by they i mean the CPO (one guy) i've got advanced notice. Usually only a few hours, but once a days notice.

I'd want to have the place hoovered and tidied at least

I have a "natural" early warning system if anyone comes to the gates:

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JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 12:54pm

Cass wrote: »

Every time they have called, and by they i mean the CPO (one guy) i've got advanced notice. Usually only a few hours, but once a days notice.

I have a "natural" early warning system if anyone comes to the gates:

hahaha they look they're about to drop a serious hiphop album

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 2:05pm

Would it be appropriate for me to call into the station to check on the progress of the application? I didn't get my PULSE receipt in the mail or anything and it has been quite a while.

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 2:29pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Would it be appropriate for me to call into the station to check on the progress of the application? I didn't get my PULSE receipt in the mail or anything and it has been quite a while.

There's no harm. I'm always chasing up with them and I have never received a receipt letter either. Seems pretty random as to whether you'll get one or not.

How long ago did you drop in the FCA1? Have you met the FO in the station?

Cass · 08-06-2019 2:31pm

Don't forget we are now in "holiday season". That combined with June to Sept being the busy period for renewals means waiting times may increase.

So by all means stay on top of your application, but allow a little more time and if its within the three month time frame they still have time left to process it.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 4:06pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

There's no harm. I'm always chasing up with them and I have never received a receipt letter either. Seems pretty random as to whether you'll get one or not.

How long ago did you drop in the FCA1? Have you met the FO in the station?

Little over a month ago and yeah the FO went over the entire application with me.

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 4:22pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Little over a month ago and yeah the FO went over the entire application with me.

Unfortunately, that's not quite a while. They have up to 3 months. Probably won't take that long but there's no way of telling how long it will take beyond speculation and conjecture. Best thing is to just try and forget about it til the letter comes through the letterbox. Trust me; I nearly drove myself mad trying to find out how long things take and sending emails to the FO whose stock response was "it's still with the Super"

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 8:01pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

Unfortunately, that's not quite a while. They have up to 3 months. Probably won't take that long but there's no way of telling how long it will take beyond speculation and conjecture. Best thing is to just try and forget about it til the letter comes through the letterbox. Trust me; I nearly drove myself mad trying to find out how long things take and sending emails to the FO whose stock response was "it's still with the Super"

I suppose the fact that they havent called my referees yet probably isnt a good sign

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 8:06pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

I suppose the fact that they havent called my referees yet probably isnt a good sign

Sometimes they don't call your referees at all

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 9:09pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

Sometimes they don't call your referees at all

You'd imagine they would 100% call them just to make sure you're not a complete nutcase or maybe they make that judgement when they see you in the station;)

I saw a post earlier that said for someone to just apply for the 'normal amount' of ammunition of 1000 rounds i think. I put down 300 on my application and the FO said, and I quote "Jesus christ are ya planning on carrying out a mass shooting"

Scribbled it out and threw down 150 he was satisfied with that.

solarwinds · 08-06-2019 9:14pm

So he altered your application. I would stick to my guns if you want 300 ask for it and if you have a good enough reason you should get it and if not get them to tell you why.

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 9:25pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

You'd imagine they would 100% call them just to make sure you're not a complete nutcase or maybe they make that judgement when they see you in the station;)

I saw a post earlier that said for someone to just apply for the 'normal amount' of ammunition of 1000 rounds i think. I put down 300 on my application and the FO said, and I quote "Jesus christ are ya planning on carrying out a mass shooting" Scribbled it out and threw down 150 he was satisfied with that.

Did the FO really make that comment? That's incredibly inappropriate if so. 300 rounds is not a lot. At all.

And regarding referees, yeah I'm not sure what the exact protocol is, but you're probably right in that they can make a judgement call on that based on meeting you. A character reference is never going to give you a bad reference regardless.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 9:32pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

Did the FO really make that comment? That's incredibly inappropriate if so. 300 rounds is not a lot. At all.

And regarding referees, yeah I'm not sure what the exact protocol is, but you're probably right in that they can make a judgement call on that based on meeting you. A character reference is never going to give you a bad reference regardless.

He did indeed but there was a sort of lightheartedness behind it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's exactly what I thought because aren't shell casings classified as ammunition as well because with the rest of the tools and ingredients you can reload your own bullets?

thinking of them judging you in their own mind ort of reminds me of this certain video https://youtu.be/kpZbaz3Wlfw?t=87

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 9:38pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

He did indeed but there was a sort of lightheartedness behind it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's exactly what I thought because aren't shell casings classified as ammunition as well because with the rest of the tools and ingredients you can reload your own bullets?

thinking of them judging you in their own mind ort of reminds me of this certain video https://youtu.be/kpZbaz3Wlfw?t=87

Spent cartridges are indeed classed as ammunition. It should be mandatory for every FO and Super to spend one day on a range firing a 22 and another day clay shooting so they can see how quickly you get through ammo. Also they'd quickly see how class it is and stop being gowls about granting licenses.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 9:43pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

Spent cartridges are indeed classed as ammunition. It should be mandatory for every FO and Super to spend one day on a range firing a 22 and another day clay shooting so they can see how quickly you get through ammo. Also they'd quickly see how class it is and stop being gowls about granting licenses.

A lot of them actually have some 'Blue Card' authorization or whatever that allows them to sign weapons out from the station armoury if theres no actual armed gardai in a big emergency i believe, but AGS started to take them away because they gardai with them weren't able to do the firearm qualification test (The one where they check your yearly or monthly competence with a firearm) AFAIK.

You ever experienced the dangers of cut shells?:mad:

The Bishop Basher · 08-06-2019 9:51pm

I’ve had / have multiple licenses for pistols, shotguns and rifles and never had a visit from the Guards.

Like OP I wouldn’t want one either. Not for any reason other then I don’t particularly want anyone going through my stuff.

That’s said, we’re blessed with a decent FO who’s efficient and knows his stuff so there's never any messing around.

Don’t think I’ve ever waited longer then a couple of weeks for the approval to come through.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 9:55pm

Rennaws wrote: »

I’ve had / have multiple licenses for pistols, shotguns and rifles and never had a visit from the Guards.

Like OP I wouldn’t want one either. Not for any reason other then I don’t particularly want anyone going through my stuff.

That’s said, we’re blessed with a decent FO who’s efficient and knows his stuff so there's never any messing around.

Don’t think I’ve ever waited longer then a couple of weeks for the approval to come through.

Did you get any PULSE receipts in the post?

The Bishop Basher · 08-06-2019 10:08pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Did you get any PULSE receipts in the post?

No.

I just drop down with the forms and usually receive an approval notice in the post within a week or 2. Then I pay down the PO and have the license in hand within another week or so.

Never had any hassle but like I say, the FO is a shooter himself so he knows his stuff and is on the ball.

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 11:22pm

Rennaws wrote: »

No.

I just drop down with the forms and usually receive an approval notice in the post within a week or 2. Then I pay down the PO and have the license in hand within another week or so.

Never had any hassle but like I say, the FO is a shooter himself so he knows his stuff and is on the ball.

Ahh but wouldn't it be many times quicker if they already have you on the system?

JohnFitz2332 · 08-06-2019 11:35pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Ahh but wouldn't it be many times quicker if they already have you on the system?

No

Mr. Speedy · 08-06-2019 11:46pm

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

No

Oh sure fair enough so, Ill run into the station tomorrow and ask them how the progress is on it

Cass · 08-06-2019 11:51pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

You'd imagine they would 100% call them just to make sure you're not a complete nutcase or maybe they make that judgement when they see you in the station;)

The referees are only a last stop measure. The back ground checks they'll do will be on you, your name, any info on PULSE such as previous convictions, etc.

So if they are not contacted it's not uncommon.

I put down 300 on my application and the FO said, and I quote "Jesus christ are ya planning on carrying out a mass shooting"

Yeah, just ignore that ignorance.

Scribbled it out and threw down 150 he was satisfied with that.

Then it's no longer your application.

FOs, even Supers are not allowed to alter an application. They can contact you as it's being processed and inform you they won't authorise 1,000, but will grant 300 however for anyone bar you to change or write something on the form makes it no longer your application and would put it in the arena of fraudulent application.

You asked for 300 not 150. I personally wouldn't let it go, but that is your choice.

The Bishop Basher · 09-06-2019 3:29am

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

Ahh but wouldn't it be many times quicker if they already have you on the system?

I had the same experience with my first gun. Even the pistol didn’t raise an eyebrow and was approved in a week.

I agree with other posters here though, 150 ammo limit is way too low and will be very restrictive.

I wouldn’t let that go.

Mr. Speedy · 09-06-2019 10:43am

Rennaws wrote: »

I had the same experience with my first gun. Even the pistol didn’t raise an eyebrow and was approved in a week.

I agree with other posters here though, 150 ammo limit is way too low and will be very restrictive.

I wouldn’t let that go.

Maybe it was a superintendent of my district that was caught in that corruption scandal and thats why its taking a while

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 11:00am

Absolutely agree with the point being made about the GS changing your form, shouldn't be happening.
Now if they decide to not grant you the amount asked for than that to me is a totally different kettle of fish and something you can debate or argue at a latter date.

But lets be honest if your not target shooting / competing then the amont of ammo is relative to your intended purpose.

For example:

Shotgun for hunting : 500/1000 cartridges - realistic even for pigeon decoying; game bird season sees me buying just 1 slab and maybe share an other specificaly for ducks.

.22 Rimfire for hunting : 200 rounds, even in the heady days of 30+ rabbits a bag you'd be hard pushed to go through 50 odd rounds. Now a box of 50 would last me several outings.

Centre fire Deer Calibres: 100/200, even on a really good season with zeroing maybe 25/30 & another box or so throughout the year for foxs.

I don't keep brass and both the cartridges and spent rimfire casings are disposed of in the bin.
You could argue batch buying but lets face it for general hunting accuracy is it warranted. Then, for me any how, laying out €160.00 - €350.00 for stalking ammo at one go is a non flyer when realisticly its more like €70 -€80 for my season and then some.

As I inferred different horses for different courses, but somtimes, especially new shooters get fixated on, or more precisely the restriction to, the amount of ammo they can have in hand.

Peppa Cig · 09-06-2019 11:23am

solarwinds wrote: »

So he altered your application. I would stick to my guns if you want 300 ask for it and if you have a good enough reason you should get it and if not get them to tell you why.

On the subject of ammo volumes. If your licensed for say 500 rounds what controls are in place to stop you accumulating 1000 rounds. Am I right to say nothing?

**not advocating breech of conditions (I appreciate the consequences).

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 11:50am

Other then the local lad dropping out to you there's no checks and balances.

But I've just spent the week commuting back and forth to work and the usual daily run around and did not encounter one Garda. So hypotheticaly let's say I have no insurance / tax on my car then who was there to check, no one, but I'm still breaking the law. Like most legal aspects of life we are expected to work within the limits of said law and contrary to what some think, with out big brother constantly looking over your shoulder.

Having said that, I have regularly encountered GS check points while going to and from hunting trips and thankfully never had an issue with them. I believe if your going to get into shooting then you'd better have your i's dotted and t's crossed and not bring yourself to the attention of the Gaurds in a negative light.

solarwinds · 09-06-2019 12:16pm

Theres nothing stopping you buying as much ammo as you want. But if you are got with it say goodbye to your shooting sport. Personally its not worth the risk as I have too much money invested in my sport to go taking chances.

As for another poster not wanting interaction with AGS, I'm afraid that is unavoidable. I have a good relationship with all the gaurds on the ground its better to be on good terms with them than not as they are your first point of contact. Also if out at night and they are called out because you are shooting then they will know what you are at as they know you. Its only higher up the food chain you start to experience problems.

Mr. Speedy · 09-06-2019 12:18pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

On the subject of ammo volumes. If your licensed for say 500 rounds what controls are in place to stop you accumulating 1000 rounds. Am I right to say nothing?

**not advocating breech of conditions (I appreciate the consequences).

I can always write a letter with a new application amending the amount ammunition though can i not?

Mr. Speedy · 09-06-2019 12:19pm

solarwinds wrote: »

Theres nothing stopping you buying as much ammo as you want. But if you are got with it say goodbye to your shooting sport. Personally its not worth the risk as I have too much money invested in my sport to go taking chances.

As for another poster not wanting interaction with AGS, I'm afraid that is unavoidable. I have a good relationship with all the gaurds on the ground its better to be on good terms with them than not as they are your first point of contact. Also if out at night and they are called out because you are shooting then they will know what you are at as they know you. Its only higher up the food chain you start to experience problems.

I'm 100% not trying to be a pain in gluteus maximus for AGS and I have no problem with them calling over it's just that I would PREFER if they didn't

tac foley · 09-06-2019 12:52pm

cookimonster wrote: »

I don't keep brass and both the cartridges and spent rimfire casings are disposed of in the bin.

I didn't think that you could 'keep brass', unless you reload.

The Bishop Basher · 09-06-2019 1:16pm

cookimonster wrote: »

As I inferred different horses for different courses, but somtimes, especially new shooters get fixated on, or more precisely the restriction to, the amount of ammo they can have in hand.

Fair enough.

Given the caliber I assume the OP is hunting.

A day at the range is a different story though where a couple of hundred rounds would be gone in an afternoon.

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 1:43pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

I'm 100% not trying to be a pain in gluteus maximus for AGS and I have no problem with them calling over it's just that I would PREFER if they didn't

But you are applying for a gun licence and they CAN call out to you, not only for your initial application but for subsiquent renewals, change of FO or local Superintendent or for what ever reason they deem fit.

.....so no matter what, make sure you have clean underwear on!

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 1:48pm

tac foley wrote: »

I didn't think that you could 'keep brass', unless you reload.

They are counted in on your ammo limit, so if you are limited to 150 rounds and you have 50 empty casings and 100 live rounds then your at your limit.

Its been debated here many times, but component parts of rounds count against your ammo limit.

Cass · 09-06-2019 5:36pm

tac foley wrote: »

I didn't think that you could 'keep brass', unless you reload.

You can. As was said above:

cookimonster wrote: »

They are counted in on your ammo limit,............................................., but component parts of rounds count against your ammo limit.

Bullets and brass are component parts the same as propellant and primers, but unlike brass and bullets, propellant and primers afre classed as explosives so require separate authorisation to possess in their "individual" parts (IOW when not in a complete round).

Mr. Speedy · 09-06-2019 6:10pm

To the ammunition limit argument, I was present with him when he scribbled out the 300 and signed his initials above it, I agreed with him because a) i was sort of nervous being that I was applying for a gun and I didn't want to annoy him by arguing because first impressions are everything, b) because I didnt think to say that it is an inconvenience to have to travel a fair distance to the dealer and because of the spent casings thing. His comment probably would've been inappropriate but because of the tip on the nose atmosphere at the time I didn't think much of it. Yes I'll be on the foxes for the most part but I'll most likely invest in a .308 in the future because I wouldn't say a .223 is the most appropriate bullet for deer.

I went into the station and the FO said that they're very slow to process because its renewals season. AND that if i did receive a PULSE receipt that it usually meant something was or went wrong with my application. I was told to wait another month and if nothing came through to go back to them.

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 6:31pm

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

.... because I wouldn't say a .223 is the most appropriate bullet for deer.

The .223 is not deer legal in this country.

Mr. Speedy wrote: »

.....AND that if i did receive a PULSE receipt that it usually meant something was or went wrong with my application. I was told to wait another month and if nothing came through to go back to them.

When you say PULSE receipt, do you mean the letter sent out by the District HQ acknowledging your application and saying it is being processed. If so then this 'receipt' is standard practice if not a bit redundant when it arrives days before, with or after your grant letter. It's news to me that it would imply any potential issue with your application. To me its the other way around, not receiving one would get my alarm bells ringing.
To be honest for a first time application you haven't even begin the waiting process. Some lads here will tell you they get theirs processed as fast as the post can deliver the paperwork others wait well beyond the recommended time line. My average wait is three weeks, before that the incompetent Guard handling the paperwork for an painful couple of years regularly let everything lapse, go missing etc etc, thank the Sweet Jesus he's moved on.

cookimonster · 09-06-2019 7:12pm

For your information:

The Garda Commissioner's Guidelines as to the Practical Application and Operation of the Firearms Acts, 1925-2009.
Issued in accordance with section 3A of The Firearms Act, 1925 as inserted by section 31 of the Criminal Justice Act, 2006.

CHAPTER 2: APPLICATIONS FOR FIREARMS CERTIFICATES - APPEALS TO DISTRICT COURT - REVOCATIONS

Each application for a firearm certificate shall be made on the application form FCA 1 at the applicant's local Garda station and two recently taken passport size photographs of the applicant shall be attached to this form. The application form will be reviewed against a checklist by the receiving Garda (in the presence of the applicant if possible) to ensure that it is completed in full. The identity of the applicant will be confirmed. The application will then be forwarded by the receiving Garda as soon as is practicable to the superintendent or chief superintendent (if the application refers to a restricted firearm). All applications shall be examined at the district office (or divisional office if the application refers to a restricted firearm) to ensure their validity and written notification will be forwarded to the applicant of its validity within 10 working days of receipt.
Applicants will be informed that additional information may be required of them.

COMMUNICATION OF THE DECISION ON THE GRANTING OF A FIREARMS CERTIFICATE
Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 as amended, provides that a decision on an application for a firearms certificate or its renewal shall be given within 3 months from the date on which the applicant submitted a completed application. However, every effort shall be made by issuing persons to ensure that all new applications and applications to renew are processed as soon as is practicable. If a decision on an application is not made within 3 months, then under section 15A of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 this is deemed to be a refusal.

..... so as you can see there are a few desks and hands your paper work must pass before its granted or refused. The previous Garda re-org in relation to shifts, rosters etc and the staffing levels have thrown a spanner in some of the works.

BattleCorp · 09-06-2019 7:18pm

Rennaws wrote: »

A day at the range is a different story though where a couple of hundred rounds would be gone in an afternoon.

You'd want deep pockets if you are shooting a couple of hundred .223 rounds in an afternoon. Especially if they are decent quality.

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