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How long does it usually take for a first time gun license to be approved?
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07-06-2019 8:31pm#1Howya guys,
Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.
And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible
Thanks in advance!0
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Mr. Speedy wrote: »Howya guys,
Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.
And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible
Thanks in advance!
Entirely dependent on how quick your local district moves. In some district it can be as quick as two or three weeks, in other districts it can be several months.....0 -
Mr. Speedy wrote: »Howya guys,
Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.
And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)? I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible
Never going to happen for a rifle. Especially for a first application.
Live with it.0 -
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Mr. Speedy wrote: »Which is never going to happen? The gardai coming for a cup of tea and a biscuit, or the license itself
They won't come out to check it. But you should have everything in order anyway. Safe securely fixed to a wall or floor etc0 -
Just a little tip, never use 5.56 in a 223 rifle. They are not the same cartridge.Mr. Speedy wrote: »Question in the title, its my first application for a 5.56 or .223 bolt action.
No one can answer that correctly. It's at the Super's discretion so you may get a visit or you may not.And will they send someone out to check the gun safe(what are the chances of it)?
Statistically you're at higher risk as isolation provides a quiet place and little to no traffic to disturb a wood-be burglar.I live way out in the countryside so theres a very low chance of my house being burgled
Then i'd advise avoiding being a gun owner.and I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible
It might not happen when you apply, but chances are you will get a visit at some point in your shooting life and shooting as a sport is not the thing to be in if you want to avoid An Gardaí as they are an intricate part of the life style.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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JohnFitz2332 wrote: »They won't come out to check it. But you should have everything in order anyway. Safe securely fixed to a wall or floor etc
Don't worry my post made me sound like a complete tool and I apologize for any loss of brain cells But yes its very very secure (Back of a cabinet, steel backplated to whats essentially an RSJ just for reinforcement in the house)
To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe
I and some others just have this sort of stigma around the gardaí that they're always trying to find something to do you for but it's obviously not the case
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Correct.Mr. Speedy wrote: »To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe
The 5.56 is usually made to NATO spec (its why it's called a NATO round) and is usually "hotter" than your standard 223 round and as such it has much higher pressure than the 223.
There are other, subtle, differences. The 5,56 has a slightly different shoulder to the 223, and the freebore or leade on a 5.56 rifle is usally a little more than a 223 rifle.
What that all means. A 5.56 round in a 223 rifle would produce about 15,000 psi more than a 223 round. The round is "longer" than the 223 and hence the free bore is lessened which can increase pressure, and because the case (of 5.56) has not the room to expand properly in a 223 all this can lead to catastrophic failure of the rifle. Best case, and by best i mean non life threatening, is the case gets stuck in your barrel, but as a rule it's best to just not shoot them (5.56) in a 223 rifle).
In the reverses (223 in a 5.56) its all the opposite. The 223 has loads of free bore, less pressure, more room to expand, etc. Meaning the 223 can be safely fired from any 5.56 rifle. The only issue is most 5.56 rifles are fast twist rate which are designed to fire a very specific bullet (usually 62-64gr with the occasional 77gr thrown in) and so anything other than these bullets will result in poor performance.
We give out about AGS on this forum, we slag them, and it can be frustrating dealing with them considering the attitudes of some members of the force however i don't think i've ever seen or read anyone be outright disrespectful or condemning of them. We know they have a job to do and we know we must work with them.I and some others just have this sort of stigma around the gardaí that they're always trying to find something to do you for but it's obviously not the caseForum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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Mr. Speedy wrote: ».....To Cass, you an fire 223 out of a 5.56 chambered firearm but not the otherway around i believe.....
A good explanation here:
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Mr. Speedy wrote: »I'd prefer not having a garda come into my house if atall possible
why ? . . and you want a gun ??0 -
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cookimonster wrote: »
At 7:13
"Read your instructions, DON'T just read the crap you hear online".
Coming from a man doing an ONLINE video. Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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Every time they have called, and by they i mean the CPO (one guy) i've got advanced notice. Usually only a few hours, but once a days notice.JohnFitz2332 wrote: »Out of interest, do AGS just call to your house or will they give you notice?
I have a "natural" early warning system if anyone comes to the gates:I'd want to have the place hoovered and tidied at leastForum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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JohnFitz2332 wrote: »Unfortunately, that's not quite a while. They have up to 3 months. Probably won't take that long but there's no way of telling how long it will take beyond speculation and conjecture. Best thing is to just try and forget about it til the letter comes through the letterbox. Trust me; I nearly drove myself mad trying to find out how long things take and sending emails to the FO whose stock response was "it's still with the Super"
I suppose the fact that they havent called my referees yet probably isnt a good sign
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Mr. Speedy wrote: »I suppose the fact that they havent called my referees yet probably isnt a good sign
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JohnFitz2332 wrote: »Sometimes they don't call your referees at all
You'd imagine they would 100% call them just to make sure you're not a complete nutcase or maybe they make that judgement when they see you in the station;)
I saw a post earlier that said for someone to just apply for the 'normal amount' of ammunition of 1000 rounds i think. I put down 300 on my application and the FO said, and I quote "Jesus christ are ya planning on carrying out a mass shooting" Scribbled it out and threw down 150 he was satisfied with that. 0 -
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Mr. Speedy wrote: »You'd imagine they would 100% call them just to make sure you're not a complete nutcase or maybe they make that judgement when they see you in the station;)
I saw a post earlier that said for someone to just apply for the 'normal amount' of ammunition of 1000 rounds i think. I put down 300 on my application and the FO said, and I quote "Jesus christ are ya planning on carrying out a mass shooting" Scribbled it out and threw down 150 he was satisfied with that.
Did the FO really make that comment? That's incredibly inappropriate if so. 300 rounds is not a lot. At all.
And regarding referees, yeah I'm not sure what the exact protocol is, but you're probably right in that they can make a judgement call on that based on meeting you. A character reference is never going to give you a bad reference regardless.0 -
JohnFitz2332 wrote: »Did the FO really make that comment? That's incredibly inappropriate if so. 300 rounds is not a lot. At all.
And regarding referees, yeah I'm not sure what the exact protocol is, but you're probably right in that they can make a judgement call on that based on meeting you. A character reference is never going to give you a bad reference regardless.
He did indeed but there was a sort of lightheartedness behind it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's exactly what I thought because aren't shell casings classified as ammunition as well because with the rest of the tools and ingredients you can reload your own bullets? thinking of them judging you in their own mind ort of reminds me of this certain video https://youtu.be/kpZbaz3Wlfw?t=87 0 -
Mr. Speedy wrote: »He did indeed but there was a sort of lightheartedness behind it so I wouldn't worry about it. That's exactly what I thought because aren't shell casings classified as ammunition as well because with the rest of the tools and ingredients you can reload your own bullets? thinking of them judging you in their own mind ort of reminds me of this certain video https://youtu.be/kpZbaz3Wlfw?t=87
Spent cartridges are indeed classed as ammunition. It should be mandatory for every FO and Super to spend one day on a range firing a 22 and another day clay shooting so they can see how quickly you get through ammo. Also they'd quickly see how class it is and stop being gowls about granting licenses.0 -
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