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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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    #2402
    Podge_irl
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    billr67 wrote: »
    Bell over the run of his entire contract would have made far more with the Steelers and this piddling narative that guaranteed money was the issue is just getting old at this stage. That is the way the Steelers do contracts and they always come through. Once you sign your deal they front load your money each season into bonuses as that's just the way they work their cap.

    They don't cut players mid way through second contracts even after injury so just because you don't get a lot of guarentees means nothing when it comes to the Steelers because they will always do right by their players.

    Anyone who simply trusts an NFL organisation to "do good by them" is a fool, no matter who the organisation is.


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    #2403
    billr67
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭billr67


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Anyone who simply trusts an NFL organisation to "do good by them" is a fool, no matter who the organisation is.

    That might be true for most NFL franchises but find me a single player that the Steelers cut two years into their second contract due to injury? I just need one name....

    I can save you the bother looking because you won't find one.

    Trust as you say is important but sometimes having an agent that simply won't do his homework is criminal.


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    #2404
    The_Honeybadger
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    billr67 wrote: »
    That might be true for most NFL franchises but find me a single player that the Steelers cut two years into their second contract due to injury? I just need one name....

    I can save you the bother looking because you won't find one.

    Trust as you say is important but sometimes having an agent that simply won't do his homework is criminal.

    I think the Shazier situation adds credence to this. Very few franchises would keep him on the books and keep paying him after that injury.

    Bell got a fair offer from the Steelers imo but he overvalued himself and also may have wanted to leave for reasons other than money. If Conner and Samuels continue to develop they are better off without him, Bell held out twice and was also suspended twice in just a couple of years with the team. As brilliant as he is good luck to him.

    Brown will be harder to replace and as you say may make them look at how they manage the cap and player contracts going forward. Very few players would do what he did though, I can’t see it becoming a trend.


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    #2405
    billr67
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭billr67


    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    Brown will be harder to replace and as you say may make them look at how they manage the cap and player contracts going forward. Very few players would do what he did though, I can’t see it becoming a trend.

    I'd agree but at the end of the day he got what he wanted and he helped the Raiders get him at a discount by acting like a jerk. I'd hate to see it become a trend but there may be players who'll look at what happened and take notice.


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    #2406
    Paully D
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    How do you feel about the cost? I know everyone is overpaying but $22m in the first 9 months looks a lot given his history.

    Do you have a lot of cap space coming off letting all those guys go?

    It’s a huge risk but after losing so much defensive leadership and having the opportunity to add the best safety in the game to a team in a division with the likes of Green, JuJu and Odell it’s probably too tempting to not make the move.

    Worst case scenario he’s a shell of his former self and can be cut nice and cleanly at the end of 2020 after paying $32m for 2 seasons. It would be sickener but wouldn’t be something that will kill us for years to come.

    Cap space (taking into account Earl and Ingram’s hit) should be around $17m left. There should even be enough there to add a FA rusher if they want. Someone like Houston would be ideal if the price isn’t mad.

    The Ravens secondary looks absolutely fantastic now: Thomas, Jefferson, Humphrey, Smith (if he can get back to any sort of form), Young. However, they’ll be well tested!


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    #2407
    The_Honeybadger
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    billr67 wrote: »
    I'd agree but at the end of the day he got what he wanted and he helped the Raiders get him at a discount by acting like a jerk. I'd hate to see it become a trend but there may be players who'll look at what happened and take notice.

    It was despicable behaviour and I am sure other players and even owners have taken notice, the league will not want to see this becoming a regular occurrence. I’m all for players getting paid but what Brown did was not right, it was genius on his part, but still not right. Only a really elite player would get away with it because somebody will always take a chance on you when you are that good.


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    #2408
    Shedite27
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well bell holding out last season seems a bad move in hindsight. All that unnecessary off the field distraction and he lost whatever the franchise tag was and got maybe $2 million more. Say what you want about AB but at least he bothered his ass to play last season
    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    He got an additional €2m guaranteed by the looks of it, and was lucky to get it if reports are to be believed as the Jets were the only team left talking to him.

    Sitting out last year looks like a terrible decision that benefitted nobody.
    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    Oh yeah it cost him a fortune. He should have signed the Steelers very fair offer last year.
    New contract will be in tax-free Nevada tho, so he'll be up money


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    #2409
    The_Honeybadger
    Registered Users Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    New contract will be in tax-free Nevada tho, so he'll be up money

    Since when is New York in Nevada?

    And in bells case state taxes are significantly higher in New York than Pennsylvania


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    #2410
    billr67
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭billr67


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    New contract will be in tax-free Nevada tho, so he'll be up money

    He's in New York not Nevada :confused:


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    #2411
    OOnegative
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    New contract will be in tax-free Nevada tho, so he'll be up money

    He’s going to the New York Jets not the Las Vegas Jets.


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    #2412
    Foxtrol
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    billr67 wrote: »
    That might be true for most NFL franchises but find me a single player that the Steelers cut two years into their second contract due to injury? I just need one name....

    I can save you the bother looking because you won't find one.

    Trust as you say is important but sometimes having an agent that simply won't do his homework is criminal.

    Find me a single time that the Steelers made an RB the highest paid player in their position and they blew out their knee during the first season of that contract, potentially never to be the same player again. I just need one name…

    As Podge pointed out, a player and an agent is a fool if they think an NFL organization is going to do what is best for them at the expense of their team.


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    #2413
    Christy42
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    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    billr67 wrote: »
    That might be true for most NFL franchises but find me a single player that the Steelers cut two years into their second contract due to injury? I just need one name....

    I can save you the bother looking because you won't find one.

    Trust as you say is important but sometimes having an agent that simply won't do his homework is criminal.

    I think the Shazier situation adds credence to this. Very few franchises would keep him on the books and keep paying him after that injury.

    Bell got a fair offer from the Steelers imo but he overvalued himself and also may have wanted to leave for reasons other than money. If Conner and Samuels continue to develop they are better off without him, Bell held out twice and was also suspended twice in just a couple of years with the team. As brilliant as he is good luck to him.

    Brown will be harder to replace and as you say may make them look at how they manage the cap and player contracts going forward. Very few players would do what he did though, I can’t see it becoming a trend.
    As you say very few franchises would do it. Is it worth taking the risk that the Steelers franchise will always be different to the rest. Or that they would always show the same loyalty to all players. To begin with as soon as they announcer the tag it was obvious the plan was run Bell into the ground.

    Franchises are there for the money. Look at how quick they are to shaft cities whenever they feel like they haven't been given enough money.

    Bell wanted to see what he was worth on the market and the Steelers fought tooth and nail to prevent him from doing so. Hardly loyalty endearing stuff. You win some and you lose some on the market but I will never begrudge a player from wanting to test the market when they are out of contract (out a year at that point).

    He is not exactly out very much and reduces the risk of an injury destroying him as well.

    Trust any of the franchises, even the ones looking relatively clean, at your own peril.


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    Foxtrol
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    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    I think the Shazier situation adds credence to this. Very few franchises would keep him on the books and keep paying him after that injury.

    Shazier situation has absolutely nothing to do with this unless Bell’s injury was one where he was potentially paralyzed for life. I don’t think there was a team out there that is scummy enough and would have risked the potential fan and media backlash to cut a guy like that. It is completely different to a guy blowing out their knee.
    Bell got a fair offer from the Steelers imo but he overvalued himself and also may have wanted to leave for reasons other than money. If Conner and Samuels continue to develop they are better off without him, Bell held out twice and was also suspended twice in just a couple of years with the team. As brilliant as he is good luck to him.

    It is debatable about whether the Steelers offer was fair or not but it was a foul move for them to tag him for a second time. They were within their rights to do it, just like Bell was to sit out, but tag is supposed to be used with the aim of signing a long term deal and it was obvious that the Steelers were never going to give him the guaranteed money he wanted. I think if he was let go last year, he would have made the type of money he expected, however there was a near perfect storm in devaluing RB contracts since then (UDFAs taking RB jobs, Gurley’s knee injury after getting paid, cheap veterans stepping in for big names, less teams in the market).
    Brown will be harder to replace and as you say may make them look at how they manage the cap and player contracts going forward. Very few players would do what he did though, I can’t see it becoming a trend.

    There are very few players who have the leverage to do it, but I think we’re likely to see more guys do it, now that they’ve seen it work.

    Aside from the two things you point out, I would hope it would also make them look at how they treat (or mistreat) their players. I don't think it is a surprise that the two teams that are blowing up this year are those who are pandering to their aging QBs to the detriment of other players


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    billr67
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Find me a single time that the Steelers made an RB the highest paid player in their position and they blew out their knee during the first season of that contract, potentially never to be the same player again. I just need one name…

    As Podge pointed out, a player and an agent is a fool if they think an NFL organization is going to do what is best for them at the expense of their team.

    That's an incedibly stupid argument, the Steelers were trusting Bell and all he needed to do was trust them in return. To prove that trust, they could point to the fact that they'd never done exactly what you're suggesting above.

    The Steelers never give a lot of guarenteed money never have, however they are the best organisation in NFL history for paying out the full value of contracts. So saying that I don't have enough guarenteed money was meaningless history should have told Bell that the Steelers would back him.
    Hell they'd already backed him through injuries and suspensions already.

    I get him not wanting to sign the tag but the contract he was offered works out worse per year and not a lot better in guarentees to go to an organisation which will play second or third fiddle to the Patriots until the devil decides it's time to collect Brady or Belichick's soul (depending on who made the deal with him).


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    OOnegative
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    The whole Bell situation could well be he wanted out of Pittsburgh as it just wasn’t for him, New York is a much better audience for his rap music career also. I get the whole trust argument being a Steelers fan but it’s business at the end of the day.


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    billr67
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    Bell wanted to see what he was worth on the market and the Steelers fought tooth and nail to prevent him from doing so. Hardly loyalty endearing stuff.

    I don't quite get this, they tagged him to work out a long term deal (lots of teams do this). When he wouldn't sign the tag they retained his rights and freed him the following year so that they retained his comp pick value (probably a third rounder next year).

    I don't think many teams would just free a guy who refused to sign the tag but "tooth and nail and loyalty endearing stuff" not sure what you mean.

    Either way he backed himself and lost, I guess he wasn't to know that Connor and Samuels would work out, or that the Gurley arthritis situation would make teams change their minds on running back value but the 17.5 million he's missed out on he'll never get back.


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    billr67
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    OOnegative wrote: »
    The whole Bell situation could well be he wanted out of Pittsburgh as it just wasn’t for him, New York is a much better audience for his rap music career also. I get the whole trust argument being a Steelers fan but it’s business at the end of the day.

    :) That might work out for the best, but honestly if Buffalo had offered him 16 or 17 million a season he'd have gone there instead. Let's not kid ourselves this was all about money not the destination.


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    #2419
    Foxtrol
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    billr67 wrote: »
    That's an incedibly stupid argument, the Steelers were trusting Bell and all he needed to do was trust them in return. To prove that trust, they could point to the fact that they'd never done exactly what you're suggesting above.

    They were never faced with putting so much money in a RB and them a career altering injury before. He eventually signed the franchise tag the year before (which again is supposed to be used to give more time to come to a deal), they then ran him into the ground, and franchise tagged him for a second time, when it was clear they were going to come to a deal.

    How were they trusting him? Are you saying they included no voids to his guarantees if he was banned?
    The Steelers never give a lot of guarenteed money never have, however they are the best organisation in NFL history for paying out the full value of contracts. So saying that I don't have enough guarenteed money was meaningless history should have told Bell that the Steelers would back him.
    Hell they'd already backed him through injuries and suspensions already.

    They backed him when he was under his rookie contract, where he was vastly underpaid for his out put.

    ‘This is how we always do it’ is one of the worst phrases to hear in business. Times are changing when it comes to what players demand and they may have to now change too.
    I get him not wanting to sign the tag but the contract he was offered works out worse per year and not a lot better in guarentees to go to an organisation which will play second or third fiddle to the Patriots until the devil decides it's time to collect Brady or Belichick's soul (depending on who made the deal with him).

    He is joining a team which looks to be moving in the right direction and has the opportunity to be one of the biggest names in NY sport (especially with OBJ gone). That might be an upgrade on what looks to be a toxic Steelers organization, where the FO abused the tag on him twice, coaches ran him into the ground, gave the team free reign (FO/coaches possibly encouraging) his ‘teammates’ to call him out, allowed his ‘teammates’ to raid his locker, and being treated like one of Big Ben’s ’52 kids’.


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    #2420
    The_Honeybadger
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    Foxtrol wrote: »

    There are very few players who have the leverage to do it, but I think we’re likely to see more guys do it, now that they’ve seen it work.

    Aside from the two things you point out, I would hope it would also make them look at how they treat (or mistreat) their players. I don't think it is a surprise that the two teams that are blowing up this year are those who are pandering to their aging QBs to the detriment of other players

    Don’t disagree with most of what you say, Bell is gone now and I think it worked out for the best although they should have released him last year no doubt about it and iirc Colbert has admitted as much.

    The Brown situation was badly handled although he is clearly a very difficult character and the whole thing seems to have been brewing a while. Ben is no saint and no doubt causes issues but nobody outside the team knows the full story.

    As for the organisation blowing up let’s wait and see. They are ageing in places but still have a good QB, good Oline, decent pass rush and not that many holes in the roster compared to many other teams. If they have a good draft things may not be as bad as they seem. Removing all the drama of recent seasons may be just what they need.


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    #2421
    billr67
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭billr67


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    They were never faced with putting so much money in a RB and them a career altering injury before. He eventually signed the franchise tag the year before (which again is supposed to be used to give more time to come to a deal), they then ran him into the ground, and franchise tagged him for a second time, when it was clear they were going to come to a deal.

    How were they trusting him? Are you saying they included no voids to his guarantees if he was banned?



    They backed him when he was under his rookie contract, where he was vastly underpaid for his out put.

    ‘This is how we always do it’ is one of the worst phrases to hear in business. Times are changing when it comes to what players demand and they may have to now change too.



    He is joining a team which looks to be moving in the right direction and has the opportunity to be one of the biggest names in NY sport (especially with OBJ gone). That might be an upgrade on what looks to be a toxic Steelers organization, where the FO abused the tag on him twice, coaches ran him into the ground, gave the team free reign (FO/coaches possibly encouraging) his ‘teammates’ to call him out, allowed his ‘teammates’ to raid his locker, and being treated like one of Big Ben’s ’52 kids’.

    I said injury not discipline so if he was banned all bets were off, and by the way his New York contract is void if he's banned too quote "$28 million of that number was guaranteed for skill, injury, and cap, which is another way of saying that it’s fully guaranteed (can only be voided due to suspension or discipline)."

    Again I don't get this abuse the tag nonsense if players don't like the tag get rid of it in a new CBA but don't rag on teams for using what you negotiated and what do you mean by "franchise tagged him for a second time, when it was clear they were going to come to a deal." When was it clear he was going to sign the Steelers deal? are you saying this is part of the reason he held out?

    Your last paragraph is funny, "toxic organisation" don't believe everything you read in the papers and it also got a whole lot less toxic with Brown gone. "Teammates calling him out" then don't lie to your teammates who trusted you to show up when you said you would. "Teammates raiding his locker" even Bell thought that was funny and liked Bud Dupree's picture of him wearing his shoes, and the 52 kids thing was a stupid thing that Colbert should never have said, use inexperienced or lacking in Superbowl experience (which was what he was really getting at).

    That's a stick that's been used by Brown ever since, although I have to say it was really funny in his press conference yesterday when he said that Gruden is like a dad to him (don't call him kid or son Jon), or when Mike Mayock said “I mean, Jon had 400 clips of Antonio in the office. I walked in this morning, the two of them were sitting in there like little KIDS watching 400 cut ups of Antonio. Everything he did, everything. I mean, they were like little KIDS in a laboratory and that’s why we’re so excited.” Amazing how easy it is to use the word kids isn't it.


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    OOnegative
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    https://es.pn/2HgTq6l

    Might be a one way feeling this one!!


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    billr67
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭billr67


    OOnegative wrote: »
    https://es.pn/2HgTq6l

    Might be a one way feeling this one!!

    He bought a billboard in downtown Pittsburgh with a "Thank You Pittsburgh" message on it.

    Well that makes up for everything then! :rolleyes:


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    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Paully D wrote: »
    Redskins releasing Zach Brown.

    He’d make a lot of sense for the Ravens.
    Knex. wrote: »
    Why are they doing that? He's a fantastic player and only signed a contract last year. Would love him with the Giants.
    jack presley wrote: »
    Like a lot of teams, cap space.

    He's also a bit of a nutjob and pretty overrated as a player imo. Probably not worth the headache.


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    Foxtrol
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    The_Honeybadger wrote: »
    Don’t disagree with most of what you say, Bell is gone now and I think it worked out for the best although they should have released him last year no doubt about it and iirc Colbert has admitted as much.

    The Brown situation was badly handled although he is clearly a very difficult character and the whole thing seems to have been brewing a while. Ben is no saint and no doubt causes issues but nobody outside the team knows the full story.

    As for the organisation blowing up let’s wait and see. They are ageing in places but still have a good QB, good Oline, decent pass rush and not that many holes in the roster compared to many other teams. If they have a good draft things may not be as bad as they seem. Removing all the drama of recent seasons may be just what they need.

    Alongside Ben they also let AB away with far too much over the years. I feel the media in Steelers is much more team friendly than other markets and drama isn’t as sensationalized.

    Chris Simms mentioned it on PFT that the Raiders could have tampered with AB and I’m starting to believe it. Since the trade he has completely toned back on all the borderline mental breakdown stuff.

    Blowing up is an overstatement by me for the Steelers, but I do see similarities with the Giants as far as bending over backwards to keep an aging QB happy to the detriment of the team.


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    OOnegative
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Blowing up is an overstatement by me for the Steelers, but I do see similarities with the Giants as far as bending over backwards to keep an aging QB happy to the detriment of the team.

    When Ben starts sucking at Eli’s level we’ll start worrying. Ben hasn’t been no angel over the years and has had plenty of controversy himself but he’s the face of the organisation still, multiple SuperBowl winner(apart from Eli & Brady the only active multiple QB winner in the NFL). He led the league in passing yards last year, he’s not on the wane yet.


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    Shedite27
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    New contract will be in tax-free Nevada tho, so he'll be up money

    Sorry, thought we were talking bout Brown


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    Foxtrol
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    billr67 wrote: »
    I said injury not discipline so if he was banned all bets were off, and by the way his New York contract is void if he's banned too quote "$28 million of that number was guaranteed for skill, injury, and cap, which is another way of saying that it’s fully guaranteed (can only be voided due to suspension or discipline)."

    What were the Steelers ‘trusting’ him with then? How would giving him a minimal guarantee show it was trust not to get injured? That concept doesn’t even make sense, how do you even trust someone not to get injured, when no player makes a choice to get injured?
    Again I don't get this abuse the tag nonsense if players don't like the tag get rid of it in a new CBA but don't rag on teams for using what you negotiated and what do you mean by "franchise tagged him for a second time, when it was clear they were going to come to a deal." When was it clear he was going to sign the Steelers deal? are you saying this is part of the reason he held out?

    He was clear for over 2 years that he wanted sizeable guarantees in case of injury and the Steelers best offer was $10m fully guaranteed and clearly wouldn’t budge. As you said they don’t normally give big guarantees, so it was clear after all that time neither side was budging. They played chicken and it looks like both sides lost.

    If you understand the origins of the franchise tag, it wasn’t brought in so teams could repeatedly tag a player and run them into the ground. There’s nothing in the CBA to say the Steelers couldn’t do it, but similarly Bell was within his rights to sit out for the year and a large portion of Steelers fans lost their minds over it.


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    The_Honeybadger
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Alongside Ben they also let AB away with far too much over the years. I feel the media in Steelers is much more team friendly than other markets and drama isn’t as sensationalized.

    Chris Simms mentioned it on PFT that the Raiders could have tampered with AB and I’m starting to believe it. Since the trade he has completely toned back on all the borderline mental breakdown stuff.

    Blowing up is an overstatement by me for the Steelers, but I do see similarities with the Giants as far as bending over backwards to keep an aging QB happy to the detriment of the team.

    I saw that on PFT too and it had crossed my mind before that given the way he seemingly batted away any other suitors. If so, it was executed perfectly.

    Call me crazy but as talented as the Browns are now I still think the Steelers can win that division for at least another year or two. Once Ben retires and the Oline are all well on the wrong side of 30 it may get ugly for a while but I believe they’ll be more competitive than a lot of people think for a while yet.


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    Foxtrol
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    OOnegative wrote: »
    When Ben starts sucking at Eli’s level we’ll start worrying. Ben hasn’t been no angel over the years and has had plenty of controversy himself but he’s the face of the organisation still, multiple SuperBowl winner(apart from Eli & Brady the only active multiple QB winner in the NFL). He led the league in passing yards last year, he’s not on the wane yet.

    Yeah, if his performances start falling off there’ll be an even bigger issue for the team. At least Eli does his complaining to the media behind closed doors unlike Ben who instead goes in front of cameras to throw people under the bus for mistakes that he himself made. Never know when he is going to follow through on his threats to quit, maybe it’ll be if he finds next year tougher without Bell and AB.


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    billr67
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    What were the Steelers ‘trusting’ him with then? How would giving him a minimal guarantee show it was trust not to get injured? That concept doesn’t even make sense, how do you even trust someone not to get injured, when no player makes a choice to get injured?

    You're misunderstanding me, the trust from the Steelers side wasn't that he wasn't going to get injured, it was that they'd stand by him if he did. As they had always done for every other player on their second contract. With that history why do you think they'd suddenly turn around and dump him just because it was Bell who got injured.

    Contract details show that he'd have made $33 million over the first two years of his Steelers deal, yes only £10 million guarenteed but that's still more that this new Jets deal. As I said his agent will have to do a serious spin job to make this sound good. He's also Tevin Coleman's agent and he's done a pretty lousy job there too.


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