Werewolf Post Game Feedback Thread

Mollyb60 · 23-02-2019 12:43am

I did NOT understand that characters were flavour only. My PM said something about how I was 'currently' NRV so I thought at some point I'd be activated. Which is why I didnt role play as Dog at all. Kinda bummed now. From what I know he's a bit of an obnoxious ****. Could've given Gordon a run for his money.

kitten_k · 23-02-2019 1:40am

I really enjoyed the game. Thought the newbies done great and enjoyed the CL aspect. I liked the prizes but the only thing I didn’t like was that the wolves could win them too. With the village not having any roles and with not being able to guarantee the prizes going to the village - if the wolves won a good few of them (and anything is possible in this game) then it could have unbalanced the game.

sKeith · 23-02-2019 2:20am

Mollyb60 wrote: »

I did NOT understand that characters were flavour only. My PM said something about how I was 'currently' NRV so I thought at some point I'd be activated. Which is why I didnt role play as Dog at all. Kinda bummed now. From what I know he's a bit of an obnoxious ****. Could've given Gordon a run for his money.

I would have really enjoyed not being the only loud obnocious c*nt in the game

I think i got the same pm as you though, about currently being NRV, but you do not have any initial powers, but i ran with it, didnt hide from what may happen, and embraced what i had at the time.

sKeith · 23-02-2019 2:27am

The irony is not totally lost, that i embraced the nrv completely and actually got turned, therefore getting some powers afterall.

sKeith · 23-02-2019 2:28am

and my luck for prizes was abismal!

Bounty Hunter · 23-02-2019 5:46am

Great game mods, dying before the even voting once allowed me to get some work done this week but read through the whole thing about a day or so behind the action.

If roles didn’t matter... I should have been Dog The Bounty Hunter

quickbeam · 23-02-2019 7:56am

sKeith wrote: »

and my luck for prizes was abismal!

Mine is worse. I got a prize and gave the enemy a new player!! Negative prizing. At least yours is neutral prizing.

Necro · 23-02-2019 7:58am

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Great game mods, dying before the even voting once allowed me to get some work done this week but read through the whole thing about a day or so behind the action.

If roles didn’t matter... I should have been Dog The Bounty Hunter

I would have claimed Hulk Hogan straight off the bat, even if I wasn't him. Could have been hilarious if things still played out as they did and sully/Hogan died night 0 - not sure how I'd explain that one away :pac::pac:

duffman13 · 23-02-2019 11:25am

Mollyb60 wrote: »

I did NOT understand that characters were flavour only. My PM said something about how I was 'currently' NRV so I thought at some point I'd be activated. Which is why I didnt role play as Dog at all. Kinda bummed now. From what I know he's a bit of an obnoxious ****. Could've given Gordon a run for his money.

Exactly the same, I was reading way more into that I should, I was Ryan Tubridy (NRV for now) sure in the knowledge if got elected I'd have some cool power to interview people or something.

Alas it didn't happen but I was quiet like Tubridy in that I also hadn't a clue what I was talking about this gsme

Mam of 4 · 23-02-2019 12:45pm

Well I was Twink , and the only thing I know about her is her phrase Zip Up Your ****** , which I couldn't really go around shouting in the camp

sKeith · 23-02-2019 1:58pm

Mam of 4 wrote: »

Well I was Twink , and the only thing I know about her is her phrase Zip Up Your ****** , which I couldn't really go around shouting in the camp

She's got a real potty mouth.

fixXxer · 23-02-2019 2:41pm

I had loads of posters ready for my character, they just wern't the character I was given :-/

Duffman robbed ye of that though so

sullivlo · 28-02-2019 5:44pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

Yeah.

So, ideally, we were hoping people might spend a little bit of Day 0 trying to figure out if characters were linked to powers; was Dog the Bounty Hunter the bodyguard, were the wolves like likes of OJ, etc. I'd also hoped that when people realized they weren't, that they might have had fun messing with the idea of role playing the characters. As far as I know, Keith did a bit early on as Gordon Ramsey, but that was kind of the extent of it. I think we had a note in the rules about staying in game world, as there usually is.

But it never quite kicked off.

It was on my to do list to use my character to claim a role. We discussed it in the BR. But then I was brutally murdered before my time.

Lord TSC · 28-02-2019 7:46pm

sullivlo wrote: »

It was on my to do list to use my character to claim a role. We discussed it in the BR. But then I was brutally murdered before my time.

Oh lordy, when I saw you thinking of claiming a role, I was getting very nervous but in a funny way. :pac:

Baggly · 14-03-2019 2:28pm

Mario Vs Sonic

I liked doing the split islands straight off the bat. Was a lot cleaner and easier modwise.

Doing the convert after the islands merged was preplanned, as it made sure the smaller numbers on each island didnt make finding the wolves a matter of claiming roles and whittling down the numbers. Would recommend. If we had more players, each wolf team may have gotten a convert, and the heroes probably would have had more goodies to play with. Worked out well imo the way it was anyway.

I was only saying to my comods - the 'play in the interests of your character' rule seems to have slipped off the slate. If Barney had decided to play for a village win after being converted, it wouldnt have strictly been against the rules. Slight oversight on my part. I wouldnt have expected Barney to do that as he is a good sport, but i wouldnt have blamed him if he did. Might want to put that rule back in.

I think the Sunday starts are a winner. Really takes the pressure off if a game is looking to carry into Thursday / Friday. Would especially work well with higher number games.

If i think of anything else ill throw it up. Any questions please fire away.

Digital Solitude · 14-03-2019 2:39pm

I like the islands but I think we need bigger numbers for it if we're going past 1 lynch as two groups, its disheartening that we did very well on our island and then missing our final kill ended up being a help for us as there were 7 choose 3 instead of 6 choose 3. With 2 wolves a team, or 12/14 players per island it probably would have been 100%. I can see how the split helps and hinders both sides depending on the setup, in this case I think we were a little too limited by the size of the wolves in comparison to their islands.

It very easy to settle into the game with split numbers though, way easier to follow and i find it much easier to read people with the smaller groups, wouldn't like it every game either.

I'm taking it as a good mechanic though because I'm not totally mad on it and I think I'd rather play without but I still don't want it to go away, so fair play mods, ye designed it well

Necro · 14-03-2019 2:48pm

I loved the split islands, think it was well planned and executed. Just to comment re: Digi's above notes, I think a reduction of original wolves might have made things much more difficult. Three in ten (original wolves) is much easier to spot than two amongst the votes.

6 wolves (eventually 7) in a 20 player game seemed overkill to me but I think it actually harmed the wolf teams more than the village when the numbers got tighter.
Also not that it mattered massively but why no role reveal with no priests? Just curious.

Other than that slight caveat, I loved the game. Tasks were brilliant, posting, an FFA and a vote was very clever so kudos on that.

The powers worked well and overall the game was well designed. Fair play folks.

Digital Solitude · 14-03-2019 2:52pm

Necro wrote: »

I loved the split islands, think it was well planned and executed. Just to comment re: Digi's above notes, I think a reduction of original wolves might have made things much more difficult. Three in ten (original wolves) is much easier to spot than two amongst the votes.

6 wolves (eventually 7) in a 20 player game seemed overkill to me but I think it actually harmed the wolf teams more than the village when the numbers got tighter.
Also not that it mattered massively but why no role reveal with no priests? Just curious.

Other than that slight caveat, I loved the game. Tasks were brilliant, posting, an FFA and a vote was very clever so kudos on that.

The powers worked well and overall the game was well designed. Fair play folks.

I figured the no role reveals was to balance the wolves only having half the amount of roles to claim, so we could always claim NRV as there was always an undisclosed amount alive.

I'm not sure what you mean about the reduction, do you think 2 in 10 would have been unfair on the village?

Necro · 14-03-2019 2:55pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I figured the no role reveals was to balance the wolves only having half the amount of roles to claim, so we could always claim NRV as there was always an undisclosed amount alive.

I'm not sure what you mean about the reduction, do you think 2 in 10 would have been unfair on the village?

No it would have been better for both sides, sorry. Votes of two infinitely more harder to analyse than 3, especially with all good flips on your island

Baggly · 14-03-2019 3:12pm

So did i stack it for or against the wolves this time?

sKeith · 14-03-2019 3:38pm

Regarding Sonic v Mario Game:

During day 1, a warning appeared, do not talk about the goings on of the folk on the other thread.

Maybe in future, consider running game on COP and hiding threads from the other sets of players, as a more practical way of getting the environment you are seeking.

I'm am very puzzled as to why I was also told not to mention the other thread in my private backroom.
Was there a mechanic that would make my backroom visible to another player, and you wanted them to be able to figure out which thread i was in from my musings but if I was musing about the whole game, then they would not be able to figure it out?

Can some light be shed on the moratorium of musing about the other thread on COP

duffman13 · 14-03-2019 3:56pm

Pter wrote: »

So did i stack it for or against the wolves this time?

So after lynch 1 and munch one, there was 8 people on our island of which 3 were wolves, a Succesful protect meant there were 7 players left at the merger, two of which knew each other.

I was already thinking when we moved to the other island that we'd be fish in a barrel really, especially with a potential seer in play. Numbers of 6 in 20 is ok on one big island but by yesterday morning after 1 day together, it was pretty clear who the 5 remaining wolves were and was just a matter of picking them off.

Despite all that we could have easily won with better moves however I honestly thought on the rejoining of the islands, if it was 3 in 6 we were done for but a BG protect gave us a fighting chance which is weird when you think about it.

I really enjoyed split islands, like loved it cause it was way more manageable but I reckon you would need more people to make it viable in future. Also I didn't bother looking at the other thread

cause I'd no idea when we'd merge or anything, so just thought might aswell listen to mods

*Enjoyed the game and I mean the above purely in terms of being constructive

Baggly · 14-03-2019 3:57pm

COP is having enough slow down issues as it is without moving the game there tbh.

Moratorium was put in place because cross island accusations were being fired across the islands, which effectively made having to read both islands essential for all players (lest they be accused on the other thread and not be able to rebut).

BR moratorium was put in place so that players would hopefully put all their attention into their own island, and not try to game the system and prepare for a merge that you didnt actually know was coming.

We couldnt stop you from reading the other thread, so this would come under the 'spirit of the game' tbh.

If mods go to the trouble of splitting the game in 2, i think its respectful to mods and fellow players for players not to ignore that and analyse both islands.

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 4:04pm

This then is a valid question (not answered)

Princess Peach wrote:

But more importantly... Questions.... Mod note last night said we are to ignore the other island, well not to concern ourselves with it. Why am I being given powers for the other island then?

Necro · 14-03-2019 4:04pm

Pter wrote: »

If mods go to the trouble of splitting the game in 2, i think its respectful to mods and fellow players for players not to ignore that and analyse both islands.

Agree with this, but one of Peaches powers was a peek from the other island which kind of contradicts that whole point!

sKeith · 14-03-2019 4:10pm

Pter wrote: »

COP is having enough slow down issues as it is without moving the game there tbh.

Fair enuff.

Moratorium was put in place because cross island accusations were being fired across the islands, which effectively made having to read both islands essential for all players (lest they be accused on the other thread and not be able to rebut).

Cross island accusation was part of an on island discussion. Turns out, both me and necro were reading the other island, but he was saying that he was ignoring it, which we wasn't and saying that we had zero influence over it, which i proved wrong by making a cross island accusation which was read over there, proving that they were not seperate entities. The mod instructions came later, so there was no rule breaking done.

BR moratorium was put in place so that players would hopefully put all their attention into their own island, and not try to game the system and prepare for a merge that you didnt actually know was coming.

Didn't know was coming? It was in the OP.

We couldnt stop you from reading the other thread, so this would come under the 'spirit of the game' tbh.

It just made me use pen & paper instead of using COP

If mods go to the trouble of splitting the game in 2, i think its respectful to mods and fellow players for players not to ignore that and analyse both islands.

Maybe they should mention in the OP what they expect the players to do and not expect the players to mind read the mods intentions.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:17pm

sKeith wrote: »

Didn't know was coming? It was in the OP.It just made me use pen & paper instead of using COP

Maybe they should mention in the OP what they expect the players to do and not expect the players to mind read the mods intentions.

Where did it say ye were going to be merged for definite?

Ah come on now sKeith - you yourself advised players to ask the mods questions, did you not?

It should probably go in the OP in fairness....but what is in the OP is that if something isnt in the OP and you have a query, PM the mods.

14-03-2019 4:18pm

Necro wrote: »

Agree with this, but one of Peaches powers was a peek from the other island which kind of contradicts that whole point!

My prize was to deflect a vig shot but we had no vig. Pesky mods only gave me a cryptic answer so I was full sure that I had deflected Angus vig shot on Steve. Had Steve pegged as good right up to his death.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:20pm

quickbeam wrote: »

This then is a valid question (not answered)

That power was put in place before the moratorium was made. We thought there was an easy distinction to be made between discussing the island on thread and having info for later in the game. As the game got going, it appeared that distinction was not so easy, so we removed discussing the other island from the equation.

Necro wrote: »

Agree with this, but one of Peaches powers was a peek from the other island which kind of contradicts that whole point!

See above.

In retrospect, we could have changed the power, but i think there could have been balancing issues down the line after the merge, so we didnt.

If we were doing it again, maybe a different call would be made.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:21pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

My prize was to deflect a vig shot but we had no vig. Pesky mods only gave me a cryptic answer so I was full sure that I had deflected Angus vig shot on Steve. Had Steve pegged as good right up to his death.

Some of the prizes were intended for after the merge. So there were hints at the merge, but IIRC, we didnt explicitly tell ye it was coming.

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 4:21pm

Yeah, on that point a Vig blocker for a wolf prize wasn’t really comparable with a munch blocker for a Villager prize. Maybe that was deliberate but did seem unfair on the MK wolves who didn’t have a Vig and only a little less unfair on the SW wolves though it was arbitrary as we didn’t win the prize anyway.

sKeith · 14-03-2019 4:23pm

Pter wrote: »

Where did it say ye were going to be merged for definite?

For the baddies to win the game they have to ensure any other evil sides are dead and gain parity with the village.

Ah come on now sKeith - you yourself advised players to ask the mods questions, did you not?

Not sure what the point is here.

It should probably go in the OP in fairness....but what is in the OP is that if something isnt in the OP and you have a query, PM the mods.

I had zero idea that the mods would get all strict about cross island chatter, it was a surprise to me.

Asking me not to muse about the other island in my private musings was stunning. I just never expected that, and couldn't for the life of me figure out why.

Necro · 14-03-2019 4:26pm

Pter wrote: »

That power was put in place before the moratorium was made. We thought there was an easy distinction to be made between discussing the island on thread and having info for later in the game. As the game got going, it appeared that distinction was not so easy, so we removed discussing the other island from the equation.

See above.

In retrospect, we could have changed the power, but i think there could have been balancing issues down the line after the merge, so we didnt.

If we were doing it again, maybe a different call would be made.

If you have a moratorium though it defeats the purpose of giving a peek on the other island, as the player concerned has to read it or is basically just lucky dipping between 10 players.

I've no issue with the powers or the split btw, just that specific power contradicts the whole idea of a moratorium.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:27pm

sKeith wrote: »

For the baddies to win the game they have to ensure any other evil sides are dead and gain parity with the village.Not sure what the point is here.
I had zero idea that the mods would get all strict about cross island chatter, it was a surprise to me.

Asking me not to muse about the other island in my private musings was stunning. I just never expected that, and couldn't for the life of me figure out why.

Fair enough! Hadnt read it like that. Why wouldnt you clarify with us or bring that to our attention sK? You were very quiet in the last game in the BRs as well. Just curious - you dont have to answer if you dont want to.

Ah doesnt matter, we plainly dont agree on this so agree to disagree.

Well simple answer was we wanted you to focus your attention on the island you were on.

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 4:28pm

Suppose this kinda belongs here too:

quickbeam wrote: »

I actually don’t think the gift peek should have been subject to the same rules as the seer peek but I probably would say that considering it blew back in my face.

Aw well.

All minor enough points. I still hugely enjoyed the game.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:28pm

Necro wrote: »

If you have a moratorium though it defeats the purpose of giving a peek on the other island, as the player concerned has to read it or is basically just lucky dipping between 10 players.

I've no issue with the powers or the split btw, just that specific power contradicts the whole idea of a moratorium.

Im agreeing with you. Im saying the power was created before the moratorium....maybe we should have changed it, but im reluctant to change powers after the game starts, even if a moratorium is put in place.

And lucky dip peeking is a legit seer peek method anyway.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:29pm

quickbeam wrote: »

Suppose this kinda belongs here too:

All minor enough points. I still hugely enjoyed the game.

Why do you think that QB?

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 4:30pm

IMO, Boards chatter about the other islands is right to be banned.

Back room chatter should be allowed.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:36pm

I more meant about the gift peek.

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 4:38pm

Pter wrote: »

Why do you think that QB?

Because gift peek and seer peek are different. They’re results are even different.

Gift peek I presume was alignment only. Take Wario being peeked. You’d not have returned the result: ‘Wario, good’. Because that would have made no sense to the ‘backwards’ nature of the gift peek. Because Wario is listed under the evils. Presumably you’d just have said ‘good’.

In my case a gift peek for me (or Robotnik) should have been good. First seer peek on us should be good. Second seer peek in us should be bad. No matter what order they happened in.

The fact that I gave the gift to the actual seer and they peeked me is kinda just a coincidence. I don’t know how they knew I was Bowser anyway as that made no more sense than saying Wario was good.

I’m on the phone so possibly not explaining as well as I might typing properly ona PC. I hope you get my gist.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 4:50pm

I get you. No we were giving a full peek for the gift.

If he had peeked a wolf buddy, it would have come back as NRV, good.

Baggly · 14-03-2019 5:20pm

Im sorry - people prob want to give feedback without me answering everything (including things that arent questions

)

Ill let ye feedback uninterrupted now!

Necro · 14-03-2019 5:24pm

I don't want folks to think I'm being too critical btw, I really enjoyed this game as can probably be seen from my post count.

I think I've fallen in love with wagonomics though, my gut feelings lead to Sonic getting lynched :pac:

Thanks for running it folks.

When's the next one?

Kolido · 14-03-2019 5:28pm

How did folk like the early start, did it suit players?

beakerjoe · 14-03-2019 5:39pm

I enjoyed the game. Thanks Mods

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 5:44pm

Kolido wrote: »

How did folk like the early start, did it suit players?

Was working Sunday so didn’t get in much the first day. I do get I’d be in the minority on that though. I also prefer games to start with a munch not a lynch.

quickbeam · 14-03-2019 5:52pm

Pter wrote: »

Im sorry - people prob want to give feedback without me answering everything (including things that arent questions )

Ill let ye feedback uninterrupted now!

Well my personal opinion is the gift peek should be separate to the seer peek and should show all wolves as good and all non wolves as bad no matter if and when the seer has peeked. I also think where misinformation is being given it should be just alignment. You say a wolf would have come back NRV but that would have precluded them from claiming a role later on if so.

But to reiterate, it’s a minor thing and didn’t effect the result or my enjoyment. But dealing with false reads needs to be handled super carefully. IMO.

Necro · 14-03-2019 6:00pm

Kolido wrote:

How did folk like the early start, did it suit players?

Loved it. Sunday was the day I was able to play the most (before the storm gave me Tuesday as well) so was perfect. I don't mind the game starting on a lynch either so that was cool too!

beakerjoe · 14-03-2019 6:34pm

I dont have a perference for lynchs or munches begining a game

sKeith · 14-03-2019 6:38pm

Pter wrote: »

You were very quiet in the last game in the BRs as well. Just curious - you dont have to answer if you dont want to.

Just going to check this comment for validity.

Sonic v Mario: Vig, Restriction on what can or can't be mused.

I'm A Celebrity Werewolf: NRV - no back room.

Super easy & quick vanilla cake - a Werewolf recipe: NRV - no back room

Lord of the Rings: Saruman 65/350 , 4 wolf team, average = 87.5
While quieter than average, 65 posts in back room is not very quiet.

A Werewolf Christmas Carol: Dickens Priest NK0

Vanilla is a flavour: nrv no back room

The Game Show: sat that one out

Sopranos: co ran that one.

Vanillarama II: NRV no back room.

Sherlock: Mycroft Shot by vig prior to d2 lynch 10 posts in backroom.
Thats the game where i messed up the next letter up the aphabet, thinking that up an alphabet was down, the exact same mistake i had made in a previous game. after dead i had 37 of the deadroom posts only jack and duffman had more.

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