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  • #7322
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    Keep driving like that and one person won't be going home.


  • #7323
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Bus lane cameras badly needed - or just a Garda standing at the side of the road for a few mornings
    people were talking about spikes or bollards that pop up from the road. This would wreck the car and maybe leave a big cleanup job of oil and have a car stuck in the lane for hours, and could injure a driver. They could possibly get an insurance claim out of it raising everybodies premiums.

    My dream would be those bollards to detect cars and spray paint them, with high viz paint of course. So they go off "branded", and if anybody complained about it the reasoning is not simply to vandalize the car but you are doing other roadusers a good service. This person is obviously a lawbreaker and could be getting up to dangerous activities, it makes them more visible but also acts like a learner sticker, warning others that they are to be more alert around them.

    Only problem is once painted and branded they might not bother cleaning it up and just get painted everyday.

    Fines are definitely the way to go, as at least you do not have money being wasted on repairs.


  • #7324
    hesker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭hesker


    You should get on a bike for a few months and then come back to tell us if you still think it works both ways.


  • #7325
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Rave.ef wrote: »

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    It works both ways but you’re not going to slow down. Ok cool thanks man appreciate it.


  • #7326
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    There you go! From the horses mouth! :eek:


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  • #7327
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    A recent post of yours...
    Was there an emergency? Was the whole world going to grind to a halt because you were held up a few seconds?

    Bet your a q jumper in slow moving traffic too aren't you....


    LINK


  • #7328
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    Thing is, if you hit a cyclist, chances are you'll get to home to family.
    Cyclist a lot less likely to do so.


  • #7329
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,279 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.
    DOES
    NOT
    COMPUTE


  • #7330
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    |Actually, it does. You're driving a 40 odd tonne vehicle approaching someone on a 10 kg vehicle from behind at high speed .What's difficult to understand about the higher duty of care you owe to a more vulnerable road user in this situation?
    Rave.ef wrote: »
    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    Unfortunately I've come a cross a good few truck drivers with this attitude. I guess it can be quite disconnecting sitting 10 fee above the road in a 40 tonne vehicle. You'll kill someone eventually with this behaviour. Only a matter of time.


  • #7331
    Rave.ef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    No q jumpers drive me insane wouldn't even dream of letting one in. And that's boards all out. I never said I wouldnt slow down. All I'm saying is it's a danger for me to rapidly decrease my speed.
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.


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  • #7332
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.
    Are you saying that a law abiding road user should get out of your way simply because you drive a 46ton vehicle?
    If there was someone pushing a pram walking along the road, would you treat them with as much contempt?


  • #7333
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No q jumpers drive me insane wouldn't even dream of letting one in. And that's boards all out. I never said I wouldnt slow down. All I'm saying is it's a danger for me to rapidly decrease my speed.
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.
    If your vehicle cannot slow down quickly and safely then it shouldn't be on the road!
    No ifs or buts!


  • #7334
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    Is it just the "lycra brigade" that you have a problem with, or all cyclists

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104091878


  • #7335
    xckjoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.


    Would you stand track side of the yellow line at a train station when a train is passing full speed? If not why not?


  • #7336
    Rave.ef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    Yer a bit slow on the pick up. My example is a main road. N road. 100pkh speed limit. I'm limited to 80. Your cycling on the hard shoulder. It's as much your duty to look out for yourself as it is mine to look out for you.


  • #7337
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No q jumpers drive me insane wouldn't even dream of letting one in. And that's boards all out. I never said I wouldnt slow down. All I'm saying is it's a danger for me to rapidly decrease my speed.
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.

    But you don't need to rapidly decrease your speed if driving appropriately, with appropriate sight lines you can take your foot off the accelerator and most of the speed will have scrubbed long before your near the cyclists. Where sight lines are poor, you should not be doing 80kmph. I have driven 8 wheelers and artics many years ago, the way you see some drive, you'd think they never had to break with a full load and had no concept of stopping distance or control.


  • #7338
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    Yer a bit slow on the pick up. My example is a main road. N road. 100pkh speed limit. I'm limited to 80. Your cycling on the hard shoulder. It's as much your duty to look out for yourself as it is mine to look out for you.
    It is but how can I stop an ignorant prick driving past me with no consideration at all?
    Hard Shoulders quite often are not suitable for cycling in. Try it and see!


  • #7339
    Rave.ef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Is it just the "lycra brigade" that you have a problem with, or all cyclists

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104091878

    No only a small minority are dicks.


  • #7340
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No q jumpers drive me insane wouldn't even dream of letting one in. And that's boards all out. I never said I wouldnt slow down. All I'm saying is it's a danger for me to rapidly decrease my speed.
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.

    Yeah, you might be unfortunate enough to meet someone like yourself.


  • #7341
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No only a small minority are dicks.
    In what way are they dicks?


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  • #7342
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No q jumpers drive me insane wouldn't even dream of letting one in. And that's boards all out. I never said I wouldnt slow down. All I'm saying is it's a danger for me to rapidly decrease my speed.
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.

    One thing I sometimes dislike about the cycling forum is when a user drops in with a genuine question, they can sometimes be ganged up on pretty quickly. I understand why it happens, but it can be a bit much.

    However, in this instance you're telling us you're driving at your maximum allowed speed but you wont 'rapidly decrease' your speed or 'drop the anchor' because well you're 46tons and you shouldn't have to. Why are you driving 46tons at 80kmh if you can't see a cyclist ahead until such time as normal braking won't suffice, but will require 'anchor dropping'?


  • #7343
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    There isn't a hope I'd get on a bike for a few days have way more respect my life then that.
    have you ever cycled on a road before? if so what made you see the light and cop on that it is too dangerous?

    As you appear to feel so strongly about it have you ever warned riends or family members who cycle or may potentially cycle?


  • #7344
    cjt156
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭cjt156


    A driver of a 40 ton truck who admits not slowing down or giving room for vulnerable road users; many of whom are killed by the drivers of these exact vehicles. But it's the cyclists who are dicks?

    I see.


  • #7345
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    On the hard shoulder topic. Let's say a lad on his own hugging the yellow line. Now i understand the whole debris factor but this 1.5 2m thing works both ways lads the responsibility doesn't just fall on the motorist.

    I drive for a living and most of our regional roads wouldn't be great but the majority have decent hard shoulders. I come along at 80kph and 46ton I'm taking up the whole lane with oncoming traffic. I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic. I'll give as much space as I can but like I said it works both ways. We all have family's to go home to at the end of the day.

    Was this you?

    https://www.facebook.com/THEAlanKelly/videos/vb.100000388997159/1392030257486594/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab


  • #7346
    Rave.ef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    Never said I wouldn't slow down. Yer missing the point. No one wants to go out and get hurt nor do anyone want to go out and hurt someone. When God forbid there is an accident were someone gets killed or hurt involving a truck the truck driver has to live with it, at fault or not.
    Ye seem to want to take a simple example way out of context witch is fine. This is the internet after all.

    My point was a cyclist needs to take as much care of themselves as the motorist needs to take care of them.

    Glad I gave ye the entertainment there for awhile.


  • #7347
    Steoller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Steoller


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    I'm not going to drop the anchors to wait to cross a lane of traffic.

    No, I think your point has come across loud and clear.


  • #7348
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    Never said I wouldn't slow down. Yer missing the point. No one wants to go out and get hurt nor do anyone want to go out and hurt someone. When God forbid there is an accident were someone gets killed or hurt involving a truck the truck driver has to live with it, at fault or not.
    Ye seem to want to take a simple example way out of context witch is fine. This is the internet after all.

    My point was a cyclist needs to take as much care of themselves as the motorist needs to take care of them.

    Glad I gave ye the entertainment there for awhile.

    And there was me, thinking " I'm not going to drop the anchors" meant not slowing or stopping

    It obviously means something else in Cloud Cuckoo Land


  • #7349
    xckjoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    Never said I wouldn't slow down. Yer missing the point. No one wants to go out and get hurt nor do anyone want to go out and hurt someone. When God forbid there is an accident were someone gets killed or hurt involving a truck the truck driver has to live with it, at fault or not.
    Ye seem to want to take a simple example way out of context witch is fine. This is the internet after all.

    My point was a cyclist needs to take as much care of themselves as the motorist needs to take care of them.

    Glad I gave ye the entertainment there for awhile.


    Don't really need you to entertain me mate. I need to get home to my family and not end up under your truck :D
    Just take it easy out there. Just because your truck can go 80 doesn't mean you need to drive that speed all the time. Slowing to safely overtake a bike or two will delay you far less than all the traffic you'll be sitting in.


  • #7350
    rushfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭rushfan


    Rave.ef wrote:
    Yer a bit slow on the pick up. My example is a main road. N road. 100pkh speed limit. I'm limited to 80. Your cycling on the hard shoulder. It's as much your duty to look out for yourself as it is mine to look out for you.


    Perhaps you should remember that 80km/hr is a limit, NOT a target.


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  • #7351
    daragh_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭daragh_


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Let me guess - you're driving round with four empty seats complaining about the space cyclists are taking up on the road, right?


    How much passing space were you planning of giving them when you pass them in the hard shoulder?

    Says it all. Entitled motorised armchair users have little time for being held up on the way to the next red light.


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