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HGV Versus Cyclist Road Rage

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Bushmanpm


    beauf wrote:
    Sounds like my normal route to work.

    beauf wrote:
    Is there something remarkable about this that I'm not getting.


    But you've ridden motorbikes so you're used to rear observations, life savers, anticipation and all round eyes up your backside!;-)
    Unfortunately a lot of road users don't have that gift, and I'm including ALL road users in that (but especially car drivers!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Everyone else driving seems to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    It's nice to see that the majority of people here have common since. Must really annoy the lycra brigade :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    The whole pack of cyclists had a death wish doing this

    If you see any form of HGV either get infront of him or behind him.... simple

    I drive HGV's and I'm also a cyclist and when ever I see anything bigger than a transit on the bike I always hold back and let them do their thing... better a minute late than in a box

    As both a HGV driver and a cyclist do you think it's about time that bicycles were equipped with a loud horn/siren/klaxon so as to alert a driver that something is the matter and he/she could apply brakes ?

    It seems strange that in the 21st century apart from useless tinkly bells and shouting which would largely be inaudible over traffic and engine noise anyway - cyclists have no means to warn other drivers of anything amiss, never mind an impending accident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭flatface


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    It's nice to see that the majority of people here have common since. Must really annoy the lycra brigade :D

    You mention common sense then make a huge generalization about an imaginary Lycra brigade. Who are they?
    Most posters here agree on the fault in the video despite the fabric they wear while transporting themselves. Please bring your ignorance elsewhere


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MOD VOICE: On this forum, we accept that your mode of transport says no more about you than the day you were born on. The next person to generalise anyone based on their mode of transport or what they wear will be taking a long holiday from the forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Rave.ef wrote: »
    No matter how many mirrors or cameras you can't watch every single one of them at the same time.

    Am I the only HGV driver ere
    That's why I mentioned an extra banksman too. If you're unable to take your equipment out onto the public road without putting people's lives at risk, you need to take whatever steps are necessary to fix this.
    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Why do cyclists bang on windows? its terribly annoying.
    Annoying? Somebody puts your life at risk to get to the back of the next queue of cars a few seconds early, and you're worried about 'annoying'?
    And attempted murder.
    And most importantly, seven years bad luck.
    Well no. Manslaughter at most. The cyclist should have made a complaint to the Guards, not taken the law into his own hands by breaking the law.
    It's a nice theory, but have you ever tried it? It is very difficult to get the Gardai to take safety of cyclists seriously. If you have helmetcam evidence, and there is a direct, immediate, specific breach of the law, you might get some action - but something anyway debateable like a close overtake is a waste of time.
    Rave.ef wrote: »
    It's nice to see that the majority of people here have common since. Must really annoy the lycra brigade :D

    Lycra brigade? Do you mean the mammies wearing lycra to Lidl and for the school run in their SUVs?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Lycra brigade? Do you mean the mammies wearing lycra to Lidl and for the school run in their SUVs?

    That comment has been addressed in the mod warning, lets leave it there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    That's why I mentioned an extra banksman too. If you're unable to take your equipment out onto the public road without putting people's lives at risk, you need to take whatever steps are necessary to fix this.


    Annoying? Somebody puts your life at risk to get to the back of the next queue of cars a few seconds early, and you're worried about 'annoying'?

    And most importantly, seven years bad luck.


    It's a nice theory, but have you ever tried it? It is very difficult to get the Gardai to take safety of cyclists seriously. If you have helmetcam evidence, and there is a direct, immediate, specific breach of the law, you might get some action - but something anyway debateable like a close overtake is a waste of time.


    Lycra brigade? Do you mean the mammies wearing lycra to Lidl and for the school run in their SUVs?

    You can't have it both ways, however difficult it might be to prove. If you expect motorists to respect the law then motorists are entitled to expect the same from cyclists. Unless you think it's ok for a cyclist to smash my mirror? In which case, you'll have no problem when a cyclist breaks the rules of the road and I get out and throw his bike over the wall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You can't have it both ways, however difficult it might be to prove. If you expect motorists to respect the law then motorists are entitled to expect the same from cyclists. Unless you think it's ok for a cyclist to smash my mirror? In which case, you'll have no problem when a cyclist breaks the rules of the road and I get out and throw his bike over the wall.

    I didn't make any comment about the rights or wrongs of mirror-smashing, except the '7 years bad luck' point. But please don't equate a cyclist breaking the rules of the road with a motorist endangering the cyclists' life. You don't hear of many cases of cars or drivers killed by cyclists breaking the rules of the road. It is a false equivalence.

    I was simply pointing out that enforcement of traffic law against motorist, and indeed cyclists is abysmal. We wouldn't have 82% of motorists breaking speed limits if they had any real expectation of being caught.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    I didn't make any comment about the rights or wrongs of mirror-smashing, except the '7 years bad luck' point. But please don't equate a cyclist breaking the rules of the road with a motorist endangering the cyclists' life. You don't hear of many cases of cars or drivers killed by cyclists breaking the rules of the road. It is a false equivalence.

    I was simply pointing out that enforcement of traffic law against motorist, and indeed cyclists is abysmal. We wouldn't have 82% of motorists breaking speed limits if they had any real expectation of being caught.

    I'm saying all road users should respect all laws. Would you agree?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm saying all road users should respect all laws. Would you agree?

    I will answer, but before I do, please clarify if you ever break a speed limit while driving?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    I will answer, but before I do, please clarify if you ever break a speed limit while driving?

    Sometimes. When I notice, I immediately slow down.


  • Posts: 12,548 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    After watching the clip again, it was an interesting video for the cyclist to upload. You can only assume that they were trying to put blame on the truck driver, but it looks a bit silly when the truck driver accuses the cyclist of coming from the left turning lane, and the cyclist denies that he was there....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Sometimes. When I notice, I immediately slow down.

    But you get my point, right? Isn't it strange how animated people get about those terrible cyclists breaking red lights, when most of those people speed, use their phone, break red lights (though in a slightly different way) when driving.

    82% of motorists break speed limits, and speed is a key factor in many road deaths, unlike cyclists breaking red lights.

    Which issue would you want the Gardai to focus on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    But you get my point, right? Isn't it strange how animated people get about those terrible cyclists breaking red lights, when most of those people speed, use their phone, break red lights (though in a slightly different way) when driving.

    82% of motorists break speed limits, and speed is a key factor in many road deaths, unlike cyclists breaking red lights.

    Which issue would you want the Gardai to focus on?

    I've never broken a red light. Getting up to 105km on a 100 km road for a few seconds doesn't usually constitute a major threat. So leave me out of it.

    Certainly I think the Gardaí should focus on motorists who endanger others.

    But it's a bit rich to hear about outrage from cyclists when I constantly see cyclists pedalling on footpaths. That seriously endangers children and old people who might step out onto the path.

    Cyclists who break lights (a norm now) are endangering themselves and are in danger of causing an accident if a motorist has to swerve suddenly.

    As I said, everyone should obey the rules. Do you think that person broke the law when smashing the driver's mirror? Do you condone what he did?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Hold on. You can't claim that your law breaking doesn't endanger others, and then claim the others definitely does.

    Anyway, this has turned into another mess of a thread and you and a few other posters are a part of the reason why. It was about the HGV and the cyclist. Go have a debate via pm ffs.

    It's the degree of endangerment that's being discussed. I think you missed that point. Unless you equate breaking a red light at 200kmph with a motorist going 105kmph for a few seconds on a dual carriageway. But you're not that stupid.

    Are you an undercover mod?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Weepsie wrote: »
    You didn't care a jot about the degree of endangerment until you were caught out about your own law breaking.

    And the degree of endangerments for the offences you list is a lot lower than you seem to think.

    An unexpected deacceleration on a dual carraigeway can be hazardous, even if it's only by a small amount.

    Go on, move the goal posts again.

    This is fun. How do you know i don't do care about the danger to the cyclist? How do you know I 'unexpectedly' decelerate from 105kmph to 100kmph?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Weepsie wrote: »
    And again, there you are trying to deflect.

    Your words "when I notice, I slow down" you also gave those figures not me.

    You never condemned the driver, condemning only the cyclists. Your posts give the impression that you only care about laws when cyclists, or rather people on bikes break them. Zero leeway, yet we should expect leeway for you. I've made my mind up through your various posts. As I said, I don't think your alone, and there are as bad on the other side of the argument too. You dress it up as I want the laws to be obeyed by all, but it's nothing more than faux concern to thinly veil your disregard and dislike of cyclists.

    I've already said, I think this thread should be locked, and I'm not helping by dragging this on with you. You've previous form in this spurious nonsense posting too, so I'm out.

    Wow! Previous form???? I think you're mistaking me for someone else. I've been on cycling forums maybe once or twice before.

    Actually I don't hate cyclists and give them as much leeway as possible and drive with all due consideration for them. Personally, I think Irish roads aren't safe for cyclists but it's a free country. However, I'd like to see roads made safer for cyclists primarily for their own sake and because it would stop them cycling on the pavement.

    I'm just trying to have a balanced discussion. My central point, which nobody seems to want to engage with, is that the cyclist should not have smashed the mirror and that all road users should obey all laws. I can't understand why that's a problem.

    Anyway, if you're off, bye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Rave.ef


    That's why I mentioned an extra banksman too. If you're unable to take your equipment out onto the public road without putting people's lives at risk, you need to take whatever steps are necessary to fix this.

    I wouldn't be against the idea of a banks man, be nice to have someone else to talk to during the day other then yourself😂 but it's not feesiable for most company's.
    On putting people's lives at risk is the wrong way to look at it. People have to look out for themselfs and each other regardless if your a cyclist hgv driver or a yummy mummy in a suv going to Lidl.
    Always give room even if you think the driver can see you. Who knows might have a load of new bikes to deliver🀣


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    However, I'd like to see roads made safer for cyclists primarily for their own sake and because it would stop them cycling on the pavement.

    Making roads safer for cyclists won't stop cyclists cycling on the pavement.
    A section of cyclists just do whatever is most expedient for them at any given moment and they will cycle on pavements whenever they feel doing so benefits them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    psinno wrote: »
    Making roads safer for cyclists won't stop cyclists cycling on the pavement.
    A section of cyclists just do whatever is most expedient for them at any given moment and they will cycle on pavements whenever they feel doing so benefits them.

    Well, they should be prosecuted. I saw a cyclist clatter into a woman on the pavement recently (abroad as it happens) and I thought the husband was going to kill the cyclist. If you think about it, the cyclist could have just pedalled off having possibly seriously hurt the woman (she seemed very shaken but was still standing). No number plate or way of identifying him. It's fine and innocent until a toddler steps out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭cython


    psinno wrote: »
    Making roads safer for cyclists won't stop cyclists cycling on the pavement.
    A section of cyclists society just do whatever is most expedient for them at any given moment and they will cycle on pavements flout the law whenever they feel doing so benefits them.

    FYP. Drove between Dublin 15 and Dublin 8 today, and saw as much of this carry on from drivers as cyclists, so it's not a shortcoming that is unique to cyclists. Chief among the drivers being the clown who decided to make this a two-lane slip from St John's Road onto SCR, and cut off the queue of traffic on his left


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    cython wrote: »
    FYP. Drove between Dublin 15 and Dublin 8 today, and saw as much of this carry on from drivers as cyclists, so it's not a shortcoming that is unique to cyclists. Chief among the drivers being the clown who decided to make this a two-lane slip from St John's Road onto SCR, and cut off the queue of traffic on his left

    Yup. It's not like cyclists and motorists are different species. There are ferocious gob****es in both camps and some with a foot in both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I've never broken a red light. Getting up to 105km on a 100 km road for a few seconds doesn't usually constitute a major threat. So leave me out of it.
    That's an interesting change in criteria and emphasis from "all road users should respect all laws" to "for a few seconds doesn't usually constitute a major threat". This really seems to expose your hypocrisy, that we hear outrage from you about cyclists on pavements and breaking red lights (which has killed zero people in the last 15 years in Ireland) while speeding (which is a significant factor in many road deaths each year) is not 'a major threat'. Do you really not see the issue here?
    And just for curiosity, if you've never broken a red light, have you ever driven through an amber light where you could have stopped safely?
    But it's a bit rich to hear about outrage from cyclists when I constantly see cyclists pedalling on footpaths. That seriously endangers children and old people who might step out onto the path.

    Cyclists who break lights (a norm now) are endangering themselves and are in danger of causing an accident if a motorist has to swerve suddenly.
    I'm curious as to why you treat cyclists as a collective group? Why do you get outraged about SOME cyclists not wanting to get killed on the road, while SOME cyclists break red lights? What is this collective responsibility all about? Should we take the same approach with motorists, and say all bets are off on all safety initiatives as long as we have 82% of motorists breaking speed limits?
    And if you think cyclists breaking red lights is the norm, check out the results of the Luas Red Light camera which will tell exactly who normally breaks red lights;
    http://kerrycyclingcampaign.org/but-all-drivers-break-the-lights/
    Rave.ef wrote: »
    I wouldn't be against the idea of a banks man, be nice to have someone else to talk to during the day other then yourself😂 but it's not feesiable for most company's.
    On putting people's lives at risk is the wrong way to look at it. People have to look out for themselfs and each other regardless if your a cyclist hgv driver or a yummy mummy in a suv going to Lidl.
    Always give room even if you think the driver can see you. Who knows might have a load of new bikes to deliver🀣
    Sorry, but you don't get away with ignoring safety risks by saying 'it's not feasible'. The legislation is very clear on the responsibilities of employers and business operators. And do you expect people with sight loss, people with intellectual disabilities and primary school children to 'look out for themselves' around HGVs?
    psinno wrote: »
    Making roads safer for cyclists won't stop cyclists cycling on the pavement.
    A section of cyclists just do whatever is most expedient for them at any given moment and they will cycle on pavements whenever they feel doing so benefits them.
    Probably won't stop motorists driving on pavements either, probably won't stop motorists killing 1 pedestrian each week on our roads.
    Well, they should be prosecuted. I saw a cyclist clatter into a woman on the pavement recently (abroad as it happens) and I thought the husband was going to kill the cyclist. If you think about it, the cyclist could have just pedalled off having possibly seriously hurt the woman (she seemed very shaken but was still standing). No number plate or way of identifying him. It's fine and innocent until a toddler steps out.
    I saw a guy on a skateboard clatter into somebody on the pavement recently - should they have registration numbers? I saw a mum with a buggy scrape against a car recently - should they have registration numbers? Do we need registration numbers for every possible, potential risk, or should we focus on the actual, real problems on the road that are killing and maiming people every day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    That's an interesting change in criteria and emphasis from "all road users should respect all laws" to "for a few seconds doesn't usually constitute a major threat". This really seems to expose your hypocrisy, that we hear outrage from you about cyclists on pavements and breaking red lights (which has killed zero people in the last 15 years in Ireland) while speeding (which is a significant factor in many road deaths each year) is not 'a major threat'. Do you really not see the issue here?
    And just for curiosity, if you've never broken a red light, have you ever driven through an amber light where you could have stopped safely?

    So finding yourself over the limit by 5 kmph on a dual carriageway and slowing down gently is a major threat? Don't be silly now. Regarding my 'we hear outrage', again you're being silly. Or maybe disingenuous. Please feel free to post any examples of my 'outrage'. Incidentally, I find it very revealing when a poster uses 'we'.

    Going though an amber 'safely' is arbitrary. I simply try to obey the law.
    I'm curious as to why you treat cyclists as a collective group? Why do you get outraged about SOME cyclists not wanting to get killed on the road, while SOME cyclists break red lights? What is this collective responsibility all about? Should we take the same approach with motorists, and say all bets are off on all safety initiatives as long as we have 82% of motorists breaking speed limits?
    Again with the exaggeration. If you take a deep breath and read your post, you will see who is "outraged"
    From a previous post of mine: "Actually I don't hate cyclists and give them as much leeway as possible and drive with all due consideration for them. Personally, I think Irish roads aren't safe for cyclists but it's a free country. However, I'd like to see roads made safer for cyclists primarily for their own sake and because it would stop them cycling on the pavement."

    Would you be happy if all motorists adopted my position?
    And if you think cyclists breaking red lights is the norm, check out the results of the Luas Red Light camera which will tell exactly who normally breaks red lights;

    I believe you. Personally, I see motorists and cyclist breaking red lights regularly. More cyclists but that isn't as dangerous.

    http://kerrycyclingcampaign.org/but-all-drivers-break-the-lights/

    I saw a guy on a skateboard clatter into somebody on the pavement recently - should they have registration numbers? I saw a mum with a buggy scrape against a car recently - should they have registration numbers? Do we need registration numbers for every possible, potential risk, or should we focus on the actual, real problems on the road that are killing and maiming people every day?

    Good point. I think the best way to sort that one out is more policing of illegal pavement users. While focusing primarily on road users, of course.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,485 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Well it's lasted nearly 3 days, which does surprise me. However it's moved so far off topic, with one or two posters who really should, but clearly don't, know better just looking to have arguments - think it's time to "retire" this one


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