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ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    throw in the assumption that the baby will turn out to be an extremist, presumably that is simply because the parents are muslim,

    that the baby will turn out to be an extremist, presumably that is simply because the parents are muslim

    No because both parents are extremists and part of the worse terror group we've ever seen ,
    The child will be raised being told about his heroic father who likely butchered men ,women and children himself ,and he should follow in his footsteps ,

    She is a terrorist nothing more and nothing less and deserves everything coming to her ,

    Let the Kurds deal with her


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    She was/still is a stupid kid who made a massively stupid life altering decision on a whim. Probably after been chatted up by some Jihadi on the internet, teenagers are easily influenced.

    I'd say give her a second chance. Let her home to her family.
    The stories she can tell may even dissuade further radicalisation amongst British teens. She could become a spokeswoman of sorts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Turbohymac


    Definitely Britain shouldn't waste any taxpayers money on her. And coming back to Britain with her current beliefs would only lead to hundreds of teenagers being influenced by her warped thoughts on other human beings and races /religions..
    This person has lost respect towards others let her rot out there in her refugee camp..I can only feel sorry for some of the other occupants of the camp who are stuck there with her..
    At least they didn't get to make choices.
    But she clearly did..NO second chances for these murderers.
    Look back over the last 2 years around France and Germany..far too many innocent lives taken by similar people.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She's still a zealot, still dangerous or at least holds dangerous views that she'd welcome the opportunity to decimate. She should be considered a risk, monitored closely, learned from, and offered an opportunity to redeem herself. She is still a British citizen, and still a teenager. I'd be of the same mind if a nineteen year old lad was in the same position.

    If any other fifteen year old commits a crime, they're not held responsible for the rest of their lives. She (as far as I know) ran off to IS before it was a crime to be a member of that organization, so it can't be applied retrospectively, and I'm not sure that she has committed treason as described in law.

    As has been said, IS is a cult. Unless you believe that thousands of thousands of young men are simply savage killers by nature, then you have to accept that they've been brainwashed and depersonalized, as cults are wont to do to their recruits. I don't believe that vast numbers of young men and substantial numbers of young women are thirsty to take part in beheadings because that's just how they are, but it is how they've been moulded by that cult.

    It's not surprising she's so dispassionately described the beheadings, since she's probably still in need of deprogramming and is quite likely traumatized underneath. She's seen two babies die of malnutrition, a trauma that would numb anyone. People can be successfully deradicalized, and there is a case worth arguing that she - along with the young male fighters - were young enough and impressionable enough to be given another chance, provided they show remorse and understanding after they've been given the standard care after escaping any cult.

    I wouldn't want her next door, and I wouldn't trust her to mind my cat. I wouldn't put anyones life at risk to go save her, but if I was PM and she turned up at the border, I'd let her in. Not because she's shown remorse or because it's not a big deal, but because there's a tiny baby about to be born who is completely innocent who deserves a chance at and in life in spite of it's parents bad decisions. She is a secondary consideration to me, but she's still a teenager and there is hope for her too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Candie wrote: »
    She's still a zealot, still dangerous or at least holds dangerous views that she'd welcome the opportunity to decimate. She should be considered a risk, monitored closely, learned from, and offered an opportunity to redeem herself. She is still a British citizen, and still a teenager. I'd be of the same mind if a nineteen year old lad was in the same position.

    If any other fifteen year old commits a crime, they're not held responsible for the rest of their lives. She (as far as I know) ran off to IS before it was a crime to be a member of that organization, so it can't be applied retrospectively, and I'm not sure that she has committed treason as described in law.

    As has been said, IS is a cult. Unless you believe that thousands of thousands of young men are simply savage killers by nature, then you have to accept that they've been brainwashed and depersonalized, as cults are wont to do to their recruits. I don't believe that vast numbers of young men and substantial numbers of young women are thirsty to take part in beheadings because that's just how they are, but it is how they've been moulded by that cult.

    It's not surprising she's so dispassionately described the beheadings, since she's probably still in need of deprogramming and is quite likely traumatized underneath. She's seen two babies die of malnutrition, a trauma that would numb anyone. People can be successfully deradicalized, and there is a case worth arguing that she - along with the young male fighters - were young enough and impressionable enough to be given another chance, provided they show remorse and understanding after they've been given the standard care after escaping any cult.

    I wouldn't want her next door, and I wouldn't trust her to mind my cat. I wouldn't put anyones life at risk to go save her, but if I was PM and she turned up at the border, I'd let her in. Not because she's shown remorse or because it's not a big deal, but because there's a tiny baby about to be born who is completely innocent who deserves a chance at and in life in spite of it's parents bad decisions. She is a secondary consideration to me, but she's still a teenager and there is hope for her too.

    If you wouldnt want her next door, is it not unfair to expect others to have her next door though?

    If she'd shown any remorse, i'd be for trying to rehabilitate her. But no.
    Fcuk her.

    She didnt nick a few sweets in the local Tesco or joyride in a car. She eloped to one of the ( if not the) most evil organizations we've ever seen. she wants to return to a Western society anathema to those of IS, because muh baby.
    Give the baby up for adoption, and let the Kurds to as they want.
    Parents have a lot to answer for as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    it's not rehabilitation she needs, it's reverse brainwashing. I'm talking full on clockwork orange therapy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    it's not rehabilitation she needs, it's reverse brainwashing. I'm talking full on clockwork orange therapy.

    She may not be brainwashed. Just "deeply religious"

    Full on Clockwork orange something else required


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    She's also not very bright. If she'd lied through her teeth and said she had made a terrible mistake, had seen unspeakable horrors and had come to her senses, she'd be on a plane home as we speak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    That's your view. So do you think if you support an ideology like ISIS you should be classed as a citizen of a western culture . Because I don't.

    it's not my opinion. it's fact and it is international law that if someone is born in and are a citizen of a particular country then that country is responsible for them as they are from that country. if that country is in the west then the person is a western citizen whether they or you like it or not
    And i would give the kurds the permission to deal with her as they want.

    the kurds don't want your permission to do anything. they want the west to take back it's terrorists out of their country. they don't want to clean up the mess or problems of other countries.
    Don't think she would get much monitoring over there.
    That's my opinion.

    that's the problem. where she is she is a greater potential risk then if she is locked up back in her country of origine.

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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    A senior police officer in the UK rightly pointed out she would need to be carefully watched ie 24/7 for her own protection, from far-right attacks or else ISIS elements looking to recruit her in some way.
    The police do not have the resources for that.
    She's better off staying where she is and making some kind of life out there.

    If she was used as a propaganda tool over there, she will be used as one again in the west. And god knows what lunatics she will inspire.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,511 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Apparently the UK are bound by international law to have her back as she is of UK citizenship. Should she have been of dual citizenship then it would be different.

    I am not inclined to look at this issue as one of moral correctness or sympathy towards her. I would perhaps if it weren't for the seriousness of the issue in respect of this issue with ISIS. Were it some one-off case where say she was groomed and aided a serial killer in foreign lands, in other words some isolated case, then I may be inclined to take a more sympathetic view.

    However when it comes being involved in conflicts that directly effect the security of the UK, where terrorist activities have already been perpetrated then I think in this instance the security of the country must be put first over her personal welfare. Therefore I think there should be a change in international law that allows the UK gov to put the security of their country over her personal rights.

    And I think it sends out a terrible signal to others who intend to get involved in similar activities that they might feel that they have the option to be treated so sympathetically in a country they don't seem to have much allegiance too. Even thought she may very well be prosecuted in the UK, even then, she'll be treated a lot better than the way she ever treated anyone in the countries she went out to fight in or would be treated if she were captured there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Candie wrote: »
    She's still a zealot, still dangerous or at least holds dangerous views that she'd welcome the opportunity to decimate. She should be considered a risk, monitored closely, learned from, and offered an opportunity to redeem herself. She is still a British citizen, and still a teenager. I'd be of the same mind if a nineteen year old lad was in the same position.

    If any other fifteen year old commits a crime, they're not held responsible for the rest of their lives. She (as far as I know) ran off to IS before it was a crime to be a member of that organization, so it can't be applied retrospectively, and I'm not sure that she has committed treason as described in law.

    As has been said, IS is a cult. Unless you believe that thousands of thousands of young men are simply savage killers by nature, then you have to accept that they've been brainwashed and depersonalized, as cults are wont to do to their recruits. I don't believe that vast numbers of young men and substantial numbers of young women are thirsty to take part in beheadings because that's just how they are, but it is how they've been moulded by that cult.

    It's not surprising she's so dispassionately described the beheadings, since she's probably still in need of deprogramming and is quite likely traumatized underneath. She's seen two babies die of malnutrition, a trauma that would numb anyone. People can be successfully deradicalized, and there is a case worth arguing that she - along with the young male fighters - were young enough and impressionable enough to be given another chance, provided they show remorse and understanding after they've been given the standard care after escaping any cult.

    I wouldn't want her next door, and I wouldn't trust her to mind my cat. I wouldn't put anyones life at risk to go save her, but if I was PM and she turned up at the border, I'd let her in. Not because she's shown remorse or because it's not a big deal, but because there's a tiny baby about to be born who is completely innocent who deserves a chance at and in life in spite of it's parents bad decisions. She is a secondary consideration to me, but she's still a teenager and there is hope for her too.


    The prophet (PBUH) was big on cats, so she'd probably be ok.


    Seriously though, she was 15 and groomed online (afaik). Whatever she might need, its not adult level punishment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    it's not my opinion. it's fact and it is international law that if someone is born in and are a citizen of a particular country then that country is responsible for them as they are from that country. if that country is in the west then the person is a western citizen whether they or you like it or not



    the kurds don't want your permission to do anything. they want the west to take back it's terrorists out of their country. they don't want to clean up the mess or problems of other countries.



    that's the problem. where she is she is a greater potential risk then if she is locked up back in her country of origine.

    I seriously fear there is no hope left for the west.
    Hard to win or even survive when you play by the rules and your opponents have no rules and can really use your weakness to their advantage. Its loopholes like these that will cause the UK alot more harm than good.

    Saying that I still think given the go ahead the kurds could save the UK alot of hassle with there ISIS citizens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The prophet (PBUH) was big on cats, so she'd probably be ok.


    Seriously though, she was 15 and groomed online (afaik). Whatever she might need, its not adult level punishment.

    Ffs. 100 lines.or grounded for a week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    Betch she is helped and brought out of there by britain.. no doubt about it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    rafatoni wrote: »
    Betch she is helped and brought out of there by britain.. no doubt about it..

    Plenty of sympathisers in the UK to fund her homecoming .money won't be a problem.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Seriously though, she was 15 and groomed online (afaik). Whatever she might need, its not adult level punishment.
    I'd tend to agree. Though she'll need some very careful handling and watching. The earlier guff in the thread about killing her baby. What the actual fcuk?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Honestly I've no sympathy for her. It was widely known how dangerous, stupid and downright repulsive these Darwin Award State animals were before they got the shíte kicked out of them and promply purged. She wanted to live in stupid country she can stay there. I've no wish to see death on her but neither would I see anyone like her back either. She supported or still supports a group of regressive animals that rape, murder and destroy for nothing more than the belief of their twisted imaginary friend. Noone can have sympathy for her while she's like that it's little more than crocodile tears now.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The prophet (PBUH) was big on cats, so she'd probably be ok.


    Seriously though, she was 15 and groomed online (afaik). Whatever she might need, its not adult level punishment.

    She is now 19 (an adult) and says she regrets nothing. At what age does personal responsibility kick in?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I seriously fear there is no hope left for the west.
    Hard to win or even survive when you play by the rules and your opponents have no rules and can really use your weakness to their advantage. Its loopholes like these that will cause the UK alot more harm than good.

    Saying that I still think given the go ahead the kurds could save the UK alot of hassle with there ISIS citizens.


    oh i'm sure they could but why would they and why should they? not their problem.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    oh i'm sure they could but why would they and why should they? not their problem.

    They are their problem they committed acts of terror / genocide against their population

    A noose is cheap enough and kind to the environment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    oh i'm sure they could but why would they and why should they? not their problem.

    I'm sure they would be delighted to help out and well you know it.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Infini wrote: »
    Honestly I've no sympathy for her. It was widely known how dangerous, stupid and downright repulsive these Darwin Award State animals were before they got the shíte kicked out of them and promply purged. She wanted to live in stupid country she can stay there. I've no wish to see death on her but neither would I see anyone like her back either. She supported or still supports a group of regressive animals that rape, murder and destroy for nothing more than the belief of their twisted imaginary friend. Noone can have sympathy for her while she's like that it's little more than crocodile tears now.

    Agree.
    And the women and girls who went out there were absolutely critical to the rise of ISIS. They were offered as reward to jihadists who would come from around the world to claim their reward.
    These girls and women were not innocent.

    I'd rather refuge was given to victims of ISIS in the west such as Yazidis than the perpetrators. This woman knew what she was getting into and has no regrets. She wants an NHS bed to deliver her baby and a year from now will be whining again about the west. Until she needs more modern healthcare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,511 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Candie wrote: »
    As has been said, IS is a cult. Unless you believe that thousands of thousands of young men are simply savage killers by nature, then you have to accept that they've been brainwashed and depersonalized, as cults are wont to do to their recruits. I don't believe that vast numbers of young men and substantial numbers of young women are thirsty to take part in beheadings because that's just how they are, but it is how they've been moulded by that cult.

    .

    You could say Nazism was a cult too. One could say the German populace were groomed by Hitler. You could say that the German army and those who were stationed in the concentration camps would not ordinary march ppl into gas chambers to be gassed or randomly shoot ppl dead or ordinarily be comfortable seeing ppl starve to death.

    What do you think we should have done with those ppl when captured. De-radicalize them? Treat them as if they were brainwashed and attempt to turn them back to normal human beings. No, you treat them like a write-off, show them no mercy, and let it be a lesson to anyone who would think of behaving the same way as they did.

    The fact that she was 15 when all this kicked off for her does make my opinion seem harsh but I wouldn't be inclined to make a exception even in this case. I'm not heartless, but for me the right thing to do in this case is absolutely not to treat ppl who may or not have been radicalized in a sympathetic way no matter what. The stakes are too high I'm afraid and that is the harsh reality of it imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Fuck her. She made her bed, now she can sleep in it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Infini wrote: »
    Honestly I've no sympathy for her. It was widely known how dangerous, stupid and downright repulsive these Darwin Award State animals were before they got the shíte kicked out of them and promply purged. She wanted to live in stupid country she can stay there. I've no wish to see death on her but neither would I see anyone like her back either. She supported or still supports a group of regressive animals that rape, murder and destroy for nothing more than the belief of their twisted imaginary friend. Noone can have sympathy for her while she's like that it's little more than crocodile tears now.




    The age of majority in Britain is not 15. The notion that she deserves the punishment and bears the responsibilty of an adult is perverse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    Fuck her. She made her bed, now she can sleep in it.

    Especially when she has shown so little remorse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The age of majority in Britain is not 15. The notion that she deserves the punishment and bears the responsibilty of an adult is perverse.

    Here we go....

    Ultra far left pro ISIS anti West hypocrites out in full force.

    This woman is irredeemable and should be put down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Pkiernan wrote: »

    This woman is irredeemable and should be put down.

    She is a terrorist her and her husband likely butchered other men , women and children in the name of their ungodly religion and nothing more ,

    But yeah let's all que up to give her hugs and a little pep talk about running off and joining terror organisations and carry out genocide.

    Would she want a council house too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    I can't believe there is posters happy to see her return, its actually disgusting!

    She WAS 15, shes 19 now and still holds the same beliefs and openly says it.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    AllForIt wrote: »
    What do you think we should have done with those ppl when captured. De-radicalize them? Treat them as if they were brainwashed and attempt to turn them back to normal human beings. No, you treat them like a write-off, show them no mercy, and let it be a lesson to anyone who would think of behaving the same way as they did.
    Actually A, in many cases that's precisely what the victors did. After the initial lust for retribution calmed down(though it claimed at least a million German lives, mostly surrendered soldiers) denazification was the procedure in play. What observers found and it shocked many of them to the core was that even the most barbarous full on Nazis on a one to one level were for the most part "normal human beings" not cartoon monsters. That's the truly scary part of humanity, damned near every one of us born under a different sky or different "truth" could be just as bad as any of the worst you might think of. Heroes and rebels against that grain are rare and that's why we celebrate and value them so much, like any rare commodity.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I can't believe there is posters happy to see her return, its actually disgusting!

    She WAS 15, shes 19 now and still holds the same beliefs and openly says it.
    Oh I'd not be happy about it US, but I'd not be calling for her unborn child to be killed either. I know you aren't US, but a couple were. It's a complex problem. TBH U in an ideal world I'd leave her in the bed she made. That's my gut reaction. However we can't base civilised behaviour on our gut reactions or we undermine that civility. To nick a quote from the flic Lawrence of Arabia: Prince Feisal: With your Major Lawrence mercy is a passion. With me it is merely good manners. You may judge which motive is the more reliable. I prefer to live in the reliable world, rather than the passionate.

    I do agree with Candie's early post; she needs to be watched like a hawk. She is a dangerous young woman, even if she spends the rest of her days peacefully. She's a target for the jihadis and those who fight them. If they do bring her back to the UK, she has to disappear and I don't mean in the Goodfella's mafia sense. :D

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Here we go....

    Ultra far left pro ISIS anti West hypocrites out in full force.

    This woman is irredeemable and should be put down.




    Total nonsense. That kind of thinking is redolent of the "logic" of ISIS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭satguy


    That girl should never be let back to the UK,,, A double tap to the back of her head would do the world a favor.

    We all watched as men like her husband beheaded poor aid workers that only went there to help. We all watched as night after night the TV news was packed with atrocity after atrocity.

    That girl and all her kind,, have no place in todays modern world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The age of majority in Britain is not 15. The notion that she deserves the punishment and bears the responsibilty of an adult is perverse.

    You have to start sending a message out to kids that this is not acceptable and there are serious consequences to their actions. That is the way you'll stop repeats of this.

    In cases like this, you have to rule with an iron fist.

    Head has to overcome heart and emotion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    You have to start sending a message out to kids that this is not acceptable and there are serious consequences to their actions. That is the way you'll stop repeats of this.

    In cases like this, you have to rule with an iron fist.

    Head has to overcome heart and emotion.

    The wests weakness and forgiveness will be its downfall. To many people on here still cannot grasp that these people like her want them DEAD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Total nonsense. That kind of thinking is redolent of the "logic" of ISIS.

    Wah wah wah...it's everyone fault but mine...you'd make a good Irish judge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Wah wah wah...it's everyone fault but mine...you'd make a good Irish judge.




    The usual imagined nonsense. Treating teenagers as adults is what the likes of ISIS do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    The problem with forgiveness all stems from Christianity, forgiveness for something trivial is normal enough.

    But forgiving savage's and their ilk is absolutely bonkers.

    Anyone forgiving anyone who'd join a death cult who talks about a head in a bin as if it's like looking at a piece of waste is deemed a psychopath.

    At 15 years of age and leaving home to join those guy's was absolutely dysfunctional, disrespectful and vile.

    Best leave her with the Kurds, they'll look after her.
    She's an adult now so she can face justice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The usual imagined nonsense. Treating teenagers as adults is what the likes of ISIS do.

    The Iraqis refused to deport 16 year old Linda Wenzel and she is currently serving 6 years in a hellhole prison in Iraq.

    Let this British girl serve 6-10 years in a Kurdish prison rather than the 2 or 3 she'd likely serve in a British Prison (i.e. holiday camp.)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    You have to start sending a message out to kids that this is not acceptable and there are serious consequences to their actions. That is the way you'll stop repeats of this.

    In cases like this, you have to rule with an iron fist.

    Head has to overcome heart and emotion.

    sending a message about how it's unacceptible to join terrorist groups is already being done via many fronts from education, right up to trial and prison where laws have been broken. of course like anything attempts to stop repeats of this problem aren't going to be 100% a deterrent to people but at least it keeps dangerous people out of society which realistically is more important.
    there is only so much of an iron fist that can be used before a country ends up going in to abusing their power. head overcoming emotion and heart is why foreign extremists have to be sent back to their countries from syria so that the syrian people can get on with trying to rebuild their country.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    sending a message about how it's unacceptible to join terrorist groups is already being done via many fronts from education, right up to trial and prison where laws have been broken. of course like anything attempts to stop repeats of this problem aren't going to be 100% a deterrent to people but at least it keeps dangerous people out of society which realistically is more important.
    there is only so much of an iron fist that can be used before a country ends up going in to abusing their power. head overcoming emotion and heart is why foreign extremists have to be sent back to their countries from syria so that the syrian people can get on with trying to rebuild their country.

    Maybe send them to an uninhabited island somewhere and let them live in huts and start from scratch.

    They'll probably kill each other off anyhow....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The usual imagined nonsense. Treating teenagers as adults is what the likes of ISIS do.

    That’s their major crime in fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The Iraqis refused to deport 16 year old Linda Wenzel and she is currently serving 6 years in a hellhole prison in Iraq.

    Let this British girl serve 6-10 years in a Kurdish prison rather than the 2 or 3 she'd likely serve in a British Prison (i.e. holiday camp.)

    british prisons are not holiday camps. this is a myth. yes they are nothing like a middle eastern or south american prison but they are not places where the majority of us would want to end up.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    sending a message about how it's unacceptible to join terrorist groups is already being done via many fronts from education, right up to trial and prison where laws have been broken. of course like anything attempts to stop repeats of this problem aren't going to be 100% a deterrent to people but at least it keeps dangerous people out of society which realistically is more important.
    there is only so much of an iron fist that can be used before a country ends up going in to abusing their power. head overcoming emotion and heart is why foreign extremists have to be sent back to their countries from syria so that the syrian people can get on with trying to rebuild their country.

    Prison is your answer.
    Do away with them wherever they're caught is mine.
    Anyone with a bit of sense would not want these sent back to be looked after by the good old tax payers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In situations like this they need to make sure they end up in the hands of groups that will try them and hang them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    yamaha50 wrote: »
    Forgive and forget i say
    None of us are angles

    Is that a 45 degree or 60 degree angle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    yamaha50 wrote: »
    Forgive and forget i say
    None of us are angles

    No but I've yet to look in to a bin filled with human heads and think nothing of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The prophet (PBUH) was big on cats, so she'd probably be ok.


    Seriously though, she was 15 and groomed online (afaik). Whatever she might need, its not adult level punishment.

    Jesus h Christ, you'd have been a popular defence witness at the Nuremburg trials.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Nodin as a terrorist apologist

    Who'd have thunk it?


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