ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

malinheader

spurious wrote: »

I really hope I am never held to task over decisions I made when I was 15.

Some difference in traveling hundreds of miles to join ISIS than caught smoking or taking a drink.

goat2

She says , she does not regret it, and was not fazed by the sight of a beheaded head in a bin,
this is the part that I don't understand,
And if she does get back to UK , will she then want to fight to have her husband that is supposed to be in jail brought into the UK
I just think, UK may not be safe with them in it

Plumbthedepths

ollkiller wrote:

Whatever your views on her coming back to England it's sad to see the various posters who have just said to either shoot her or kill her. In the article it says she is 9 months pregnant. If you are down with shooting a person who is 9 months pregnant you are no better than the Isis scum that you claim to hate.

Isn't she a convert to ISIS ideology? So it seems that it is logical for those that hate ISIS to also hate her. As for the child do you think if it survives she will raise it in an environment of tolerance and acceptance of the beliefs and customs of others?

Wanderer78

malinheader wrote:

Some difference in traveling hundreds of miles to join ISIS than caught smoking or taking a drink.

The teenage mind isn't exactly the wisest of minds

malinheader

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Nice to see The Guardian has its finger on the pulse of public feeling...as usual

Shamima Begum is just a teenager. Britain should be strong enough to take her back

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-britain-isis-recruit

Shamima Begum was groomed. She deserves the chance of rehabilitation

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

I wonder are these headlines for the good of diversity.

Ulysses Gaze

malinheader wrote: »

I wonder are these headlines for the good of diversity.

No comments open either because 99% would disagree with the articles.

Plumbthedepths

spurious wrote:

I really hope I am never held to task over decisions I made when I was 15.

Did you join a known terrorist organisation at 15?

malinheader

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The teenage mind isn't exactly the wisest of minds

Her mind seems pretty wise now in her interview. That's what worries me.

Plumbthedepths

Sky carried out a poll among the public as to whether she should be allowed back to the UK. 76 per cent said No, 16 per cent said Yes and 8 per cent didn't know. There will be no appetite in the UK to let a known terrorist back in to the country.

chrissb8

I'm only speaking for myself. But if I was in a place where they were cutting heads off and doing unspeakable things to people there is no "grooming" or no "brainwashing" at 15 that would convince me this was right. She's clearly just a terrible human being and for the babies sake they should take it off her and then let it be known to her she is not having that child to raise based on the fact that 2 of her babies have died before, and she believes in an extreme inhumane cause.

malinheader

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Sky carried out a poll among the public as to whether she should be allowed back to the UK. 76 per cent said No, 16 per cent said Yes and 8 per cent didn't know. There will be no appetite in the UK to let a known terrorist back in to the country.

Sadly the public are not listend to most of the time.

bucketybuck

spurious wrote: »

I really hope I am never held to task over decisions I made when I was 15.

If you were an active terrorist when you were 15, then I sincerely hope that you are.

Plumbthedepths

malinheader wrote:

Sadly the public are not listend to most of the time.

The UK foreign minister seems to be according to the news earlier.

FTA69

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Nice to see The Guardian has its finger on the pulse of public feeling...as usual

Shamima Begum is just a teenager. Britain should be strong enough to take her back

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-britain-isis-recruit

Shamima Begum was groomed. She deserves the chance of rehabilitation

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

I know the author of the second one, he’s a pain in the arse.

ohnonotgmail

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The UK foreign minister seems to be according to the news earlier.

Javid is the Home Secretary.

FTA69

On a serious note, I do believe she should be taken back. For the only reason that the Kurdish people have sacrificed so much to defeat ISIS, they’re correctly demanding to know why they now have to look after hundreds upon hundreds of foreign radical idiots that are the responsibility of the state they’re from.

That having been said, she should be taken from plane to cell and left there for a long time until we can be absolutely sure that she’s not a threat to anyone.

Sudden Valley

If the baby is a British Citizen i think she should be let back just to protect the child. She should get jail time.

Larbre34

I can understand the feelings of all Brits who say don't let her back in, I feel the same about any Irish citizens or residents who decided to join a death cult whose core mission appears to be to counter western values with terror, coercion and fascist authority.

They'd be mad, however, not to plan for some of these folk actually making it back anyway and have arrangements in place for detention and trials.

I'd rather know where the likes of her are rather than not.

Fiftyfilthy

Left where they are or get wiped out back in the uk

spurious

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Did you join a known terrorist organisation at 15?

We had plenty of our own here when I was fifteen. I could have. Of course now, many here would probably elect me as a TD if I had.

malinheader

FTA69 wrote: »

On a serious note, I do believe she should be taken back. For the only reason that the Kurdish people have sacrificed so much to defeat ISIS, they’re correctly demanding to know why they now have to look after hundreds upon hundreds of foreign radical idiots that are the responsibility of the state they’re from.

That having been said, she should be taken from plane to cell and left there for a long time until we can be absolutely sure that she’s not a threat to anyone.

My fear is what mindset does the child have when he or she reaches 18 or so .His mother in jail all or most of his life.
Keeping her in a cell until no longer a danger. How long is a piece of string. I don't think you can stop these kind being a threat.
I think the Kurdish people should do with foreign radicals as they want to without any interference from other countries.

malinheader

spurious wrote: »

We had plenty of our own here when I was fifteen. I could have. Of course now, many here would probably elect me as a TD if I had.

I was just wondering how long it would be before we started on ourselves. Catholic church, priests and nuns to come yet.

Feisar

FTA69 wrote: »

On a serious note, I do believe she should be taken back. For the only reason that the Kurdish people have sacrificed so much to defeat ISIS, they’re correctly demanding to know why they now have to look after hundreds upon hundreds of foreign radical idiots that are the responsibility of the state they’re from.

That having been said, she should be taken from plane to cell and left there for a long time until we can be absolutely sure that she’s not a threat to anyone.

Surely they could spare a few bullets for these clowns.

Gimme A Pound

The "she was 15 and stupid" points are moot because she still believes in her cause.

I would agree with giving her another chance if she realised the error of her ways but she's still a fanatic.

bucketybuck

Antonella Unsightly Snowflake wrote: »

The "she was 15 and stupid" points are moot because she still believes in her cause.

They are also insulting and patronising to the billions of 15 year olds who know full the difference between right and wrong.

inforfun

spurious wrote: »

I really hope I am never held to task over decisions I made when I was 15.

It is not that she skipped class age 15 or something like that.
But ok, she was 15.
How about the interview she gave now she is 19?

Gimme A Pound

Yeah I don't see what the point of that argument is. No denying that lots of people do stupid sh1t at 15 (/points vigorously at self) but crikey... there's a scale!

ToBeFrank123

People can't just be allowed to slip in and out of the heart of terrorist regimes as they see fit. What deterrent would it be to those who would join another ISIS type group in the future if they were accepted back easily?

Most of these people left with the understanding they would never be coming back and also with the understanding they despised Western culture and indeed all modern conveniences. And after a couple of years living in as close to the stone age as you can get, they come back looking for a bed in a modern hospital.

Its time for some people to decide once and for all if they want to live in the stone age or the modern age with everything it entails.

Guy:Incognito

FTA69 wrote: »

On a serious note, I do believe she should be taken back. For the only reason that the Kurdish people have sacrificed so much to defeat ISIS, they’re correctly demanding to know why they now have to look after hundreds upon hundreds of foreign radical idiots that are the responsibility of the state they’re from.

e.

Probably for the same reason any country has to "look after " foreign scumbags that come and break laws there.

They're free to use whatever laws they set to deal with them, from the death penalty down to deportation.

Guy:Incognito

spurious wrote: »

We had plenty of our own here when I was fifteen. I could have. Of course now, many here would probably elect me as a TD if I had.

If you had joined the IRA at 15 and bombed somewhere, do you think you shouldnt be held accountable so?

Quick tussle of the hair and told to go be a good boy you little scamp?

Very rarely see anyone saying dont hold gangs of little scumbags accountable when theres trouble outside their front doors. Then it's all "lock the little ***** up, fine the parents etc "