ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Gimme A Pound

During the Northern Ireland conflict, there certainly weren't concessions made to those who joined the IRA, even if only 15 when joining.

Franz Von Peppercorn

spurious wrote: »

We had plenty of our own here when I was fifteen. I could have. Of course now, many here would probably elect me as a TD if I had.

The ultimate in whataboutary. Anyway this isn’t akin to that, it’s like an Irish fifteen year old joining the Shankill butchers and then popping back to the republic for a forevah house and some hugs.

Wouldn’t get elected in those circumstances.

ollkiller

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Isn't she a convert to ISIS ideology? So it seems that it is logical for those that hate ISIS to also hate her. As for the child do you think if it survives she will raise it in an environment of tolerance and acceptance of the beliefs and customs of others?

Never said anything about anyone hating her. I made the point that other posters had said to kill her, even though she is 9 months pregnant.

If she had the child over there of course it would not be a great environment for the child. But i still would like to give the child a chance, it's not their fault who their parents are.

Mint Sauce

Heavly pregnant, last two kids died, I can understand why she might want to come back :rolleyes:

So let her back, give birth, let the baby get the help he/she needs. Her, lock her up for treason, or send her back with GB Citizenship revoked to what ever hellhole she left.

She gave up her right to be British, the moment she joined IS.

Gimme A Pound

Yeah, saying "kill her" is utterly stupid - and I'd put money on it that some of those saying it are anti abortion.

The baby's welfare is a mitigating factor all right. I'd have no issue with her having the baby in the UK, leaving the baby to live with their grandparents, and leaving again. Her two other children died - crikey.

wakka12

dilallio wrote: »

What sort of life did these three 15 year old girls have in London, to believe that moving to a war zone and marrying soldiers they had never met would bring fulfillment?

Its nothing to do with London being bad or their upbringing necessarily being bad either. Cults and other strange psycho groups are always filled with bored teenagers and young people looking for a place to feel like they belong and can usually be easily manipulated

Giveaway

Antonella Unsightly Snowflake wrote: »

Yeah, saying "kill her" is utterly stupid - and I'd put money on it that some of those saying it are anti abortion.

The baby's welfare is a mitigating factor all right. I'd have no issue with her having the baby in the UK, leaving the baby to live with their grandparents, and leaving again. Her two other children died - crikey.

Her parents raised her and the dad definately is linked to islamists

SoundsRight

I understand the desire to see this girl suffer. But we must be better than that. She wants to live in a western, Christian society. That's an admission that their Islamic fantasy is a failure.

Panthro

Ball sack.
Not only had the kahunas to run off and join a terrorist group, she has showed zero remorse for her actions.
Bed made, lie in it.
Lunatic.

Deebles McBeebles

SoundsRight wrote: »

I understand the desire to see this girl suffer. But we must be better than that. She wants to live in a western, Christian society. That's an admission that their Islamic fantasy is a failure.

Is it though? Or is it just a stupid little girl realising she f*cked up big time and its already cost her 2 kids.

She went over there wilfully and married a "soldier". From what she said about the head she saw in the bin I don't think the Western world is for her. Unless she's locked up.

Feisar

Antonella Unsightly Snowflake wrote: »

Yeah, saying "kill her" is utterly stupid - and I'd put money on it that some of those saying it are anti abortion.

The baby's welfare is a mitigating factor all right. I'd have no issue with her having the baby in the UK, leaving the baby to live with their grandparents, and leaving again. Her two other children died - crikey.

There's a war going on, on this planet. She's on the other side. Nothing else should come into it.

Grayson

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Is it though? Or is it just a stupid little girl realising she f*cked up big time and its already cost her 2 kids.

She went over there wilfully and married a "soldier". From what she said about the head she saw in the bin I don't think the Western world is for her. Unless she's locked up.

The other way of looking at it that she was groomed by a cult and lived in a cult for a number of years.
And that's what ISIS are, a death cult.
The groomed her and convinced her to move over there.

I think she should be allowed return to the UK. She's a UK citizen and the government should never refuse a citizen the ability to return. That doesn't mean that she couldn't be charged with stuff when she gets back, or that she shouldn't be monitored.

bucketybuck

SoundsRight wrote: »

I understand the desire to see this girl suffer. But we must be better than that. She wants to live in a western, Christian society. That's an admission that their Islamic fantasy is a failure.

Not necessarily. More likely that because she doesn't respect western society she would be happy to take advantage of it without any moral qualms.

Giveaway

Grayson wrote: »

The other way of looking at it that she was groomed by a cult and lived in a cult for a number of years.
And that's what ISIS are, a death cult.
The groomed her and convinced her to move over there.

I think she should be allowed return to the UK. She's a UK citizen and the government should never refuse a citizen the ability to return. That doesn't mean that she couldn't be charged with stuff when she gets back, or that she shouldn't be monitored.

I remember a Grayson from years ago posting on the now defunct Islam forum. Was that you?

Fiftyfilthy

Better safe than sorry, I’d just kill her and anything else that poses a risk tbf

animaal

I think the UK has the right approach. Right now, she's not in the UK, and the UK is not obliged to do anything to assist her.

If and when she turns up on the UK's doorstep, and if they're satisfied as to her identity, they probably have to let her enter the UK again. But that's where the UK legal system would step in and apply its full vigour.

There may come a time when she's free in the UK. At that point, she will need to be monitored very closely by the state. That's a drain, but it's the price to be paid for providing in a free society.

We had a similar situation with home-grown terrorists; the solution wasn't to shoot them in the head or revoke citizenship.

GinAndBitter

animaal wrote: »

We had a similar situation with home-grown terrorists; the solution wasn't to shoot them in the head or revoke citizenship.

It's not similar at all though really.

Plumbthedepths

Guy:Incognito wrote:

If you had joined the IRA at 15 and bombed somewhere, do you think you shouldnt be held accountable so?

The armed forces of her majesty had no problem shooting 15 year olds.

Gimme A Pound

Grayson wrote: »

The other way of looking at it that she was groomed by a cult and lived in a cult for a number of years.
And that's what ISIS are, a death cult.
The groomed her and convinced her to move over there.

I think she should be allowed return to the UK. She's a UK citizen and the government should never refuse a citizen the ability to return. That doesn't mean that she couldn't be charged with stuff when she gets back, or that she shouldn't be monitored.

animaal wrote: »

I think the UK has the right approach. Right now, she's not in the UK, and the UK is not obliged to do anything to assist her.

If and when she turns up on the UK's doorstep, and if they're satisfied as to her identity, they probably have to let her enter the UK again. But that's where the UK legal system would step in and apply its full vigour.

There may come a time when she's free in the UK. At that point, she will need to be monitored very closely by the state. That's a drain, but it's the price to be paid for providing in a free society.

We had a similar situation with home-grown terrorists; the solution wasn't to shoot them in the head or revoke citizenship.

Yeah I agree with some of those points too.

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Better safe than sorry, I’d just kill her and anything else that poses a risk tbf

Would you maybe give her a chance to have the baby first?

Plumbthedepths

SoundsRight wrote:

I understand the desire to see this girl suffer. But we must be better than that. She wants to live in a western, Christian society. That's an admission that their Islamic fantasy is a failure.

No she wants the safety of a western democratic society you do know how radicalism Islam feel about Christians right?but she still subscribes to the hatred preached by ISIS.

TeaBagMania

Doesn't really matter one way or the other as GB is already a little Syria

Richard Hillman

We need to show her the Christian way. Old Testament style

Grayson

Giveaway wrote: »

I remember a Grayson from years ago posting on the now defunct Islam forum. Was that you?

Possibly? i wasn't very active on boards years ago so there's a ery good chance it wasn't me.

having said that, I spent time in a middle east country as a kid. I have a huge interest in the region and I've studied islamic philosophy. Plus my username is Grayson. So yeah, it could have been me. I could have posted there.

However I wouldn't have been prolific. Plus my opinions have evolved since then. I learn more every day.
(that's my way of saying that if it was me, I might have written some crap. I'm having that weird cringe sensation that you'd get of you found a teenage diary you wrote )

ToBeFrank123

She and others like her seem to have treated Syria as some kind of gap year or the Muslim version of it. And they hope to return home after.

Propaganda after propaganda video from men and women like her telling us how terrible the west is and why they should go to Syria and so on. Two fingers to the west and all that.

Maybe if she showed remorse, went on TV and said how great the West is and how she appreciates its freedoms, its values, democracy and secularism, women's rights and freedoms, gave up the veil, etc, maybe then she'd be welcome back. Somehow I can't see her doing that though. We don't need another brainwashed terrorist living in the west, no thanks.

ollkiller

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Better safe than sorry, I’d just kill her and anything else that poses a risk tbf

While she is 9 months pregnant. Sounds like something Isis would do. Are you no better than Isis?

malinheader

Grayson wrote: »

The other way of looking at it that she was groomed by a cult and lived in a cult for a number of years.
And that's what ISIS are, a death cult.
The groomed her and convinced her to move over there.

I think she should be allowed return to the UK. She's a UK citizen and the government should never refuse a citizen the ability to return. That doesn't mean that she couldn't be charged with stuff when she gets back, or that she shouldn't be monitored.

Why do people think it's ok for her to return, receive good medical care, have a court case lasting months probably. Be kept why case going on and then probably monitored round the clock, all at the expense of tax payers.
No Thanks. If it was going to happen in this country I wouldn't be to happy.

SoundsRight

malinheader wrote: »

Why do people think it's ok for her to return, receive good medical care, have a court case lasting months probably. Be kept why case going on and then probably monitored round the clock, all at the expense of tax payers.
No Thanks. If it was going to happen in this country I wouldn't be to happy.

Because we have compassion. If we lose our values, then the enemy has won.

Hector Savage

ollkiller wrote: »

Whatever your views on her coming back to England it's sad to see the various posters who have just said to either shoot her or kill her. In the article it says she is 9 months pregnant. If you are down with shooting a person who is 9 months pregnant you are no better than the Isis scum that you claim to hate.

hmmm, forgive me for not feeling sympathy for someone that will be murdering British people on the streets in ~20 years time.

Plumbthedepths

SoundsRight wrote:

Because we have compassion. If we lose our values, then the enemy has won.

The terrorist attacks in Europe the mass sexual abuse of women in Germany are a result of compassion and being seen as soft touch by these animals. Save your compassion for the victims of this warped ideology.

ollkiller

Hector Savage wrote: »

hmmm, forgive me for not feeling sympathy for someone that will be murdering British people on the streets in ~20 years time.

Have to ask, are you talking about the adult or the baby that's about to be born.