Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

volchitsa · 27-01-2019 11:59pm

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You don’t get to decide if someone lives or dies just because they are hooked up to you.

You can get them unhooked from you, is the point. Even if that will result in their death. Just like you can't have your kidney forcibly taken to give to some one else, even if you don't really need it, and even if someone will die if you don't give it to them.

Certainly not if they’ll be unhooked from you within 9 months. Plus it’s an arguement that proves too much, your kids depend on you to thrive and grow after their born too. It would be wrong to just kill them if you couldn’t handle it. If old people were too much of a burden on the tax payer and we just decided to kill them all, that would be bad.

No but they needed to be hooked up to a particular person's blood supply so that that person had to wheel them around everywhere I don't think your "taxpayer" argument would cut much ice with that person.

Just cos something resides within you doesn’t entitle you to decide it’s fate. Yes it’s dependent on your body but its not part of your body.

Well that's a new and surprising argument. I'm not aware of it having any legal value except as applied to pregnant women. Which makes it a bit of an imposition when decided by other people on her behalf. To put it mildly.

ohnonotgmail · 28-01-2019 12:13am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

So? I wasn’t disputing that we had a vote and that your side won.

I was disputing the morality of abortion.

Just because a referendum was had doesn’t mean “case closed on the issue.”

After the 1983 referendum in which your side lost by the same margin, you guys continued the conversation, in accordance with your right to do so. Why can’t we do the same?

Fire ahead. I still haven't seen one single explanation as to why a fetus has the same rights as a living, breathing,woman. Not one.

SusieBlue · 28-01-2019 12:26am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You don’t get to decide if someone lives or dies just because they are hooked up to you. Certainly not if they’ll be unhooked from you within 9 months. Plus it’s an arguement that proves too much, your kids depend on you to thrive and grow after their born too. It would be wrong to just kill them if you couldn’t handle it. If old people were too much of a burden on the tax payer and we just decided to kill them all, that would be bad.

Just cos something resides within you doesn’t entitle you to decide it’s fate. Yes it’s dependent on your body but its not part of your body.

Yes it does, that’s why we don’t force organ donation or blood donation.
Even if there was a person dying of kidney failure right in front of you, you cannot be compelled against your will to donate if you don’t want to.

Feel free to disagree with abortion, feel free to never have an abortion, but when it comes to my utuerus and other women’s uterus’s your opinion is irrelevant. No one cares.

ohnonotgmail · 28-01-2019 10:31am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You don’t get to decide if someone lives or dies just because they are hooked up to you. Certainly not if they’ll be unhooked from you within 9 months.

spoken as a man who will never experience an "unhooking".

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Plus it’s an arguement that proves too much, your kids depend on you to thrive and grow after their born too. It would be wrong to just kill them if you couldn’t handle it. If old people were too much of a burden on the tax payer and we just decided to kill them all, that would be bad.

Just cos something resides within you doesn’t entitle you to decide it’s fate. Yes it’s dependent on your body but its not part of your body.

yet you have no absolutely no problem letting the fetus decide the womans fate. How bizarre.

Hotblack Desiato · 28-01-2019 8:09pm

Sean.3516 wrote: »

HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION FOLKS.

From that point on its a HUMAN BEING. Nobody disputes that.

I don't accept that a zygote is a human being, no. So your assertion that nobody disputes that is wrong.

Most of these "human beings" never even implant, so no it's not a case of "left to it's own devices it'll inevitably become a baby", it's not inevitable at all.

Even under the 8th amendment, the law did not regard them as human beings either, there were no birth certificates, death certificates, inquests, funerals, cremations or burials for miscarriages during the gestational period abortion is now legal.

What's your opinion on the "human beings" frozen in IVF clinics? Kidnap some women and forcibly impregnate them so these "human beings" get their "right" to life vindicated? Or maybe the "right" to life of a zygote doesn't trump the rights of women after all?

uptherebels · 29-01-2019 6:09pm

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are you acknowledging that it can feel pain at this point and still denying that it’s a human worthy of rights?

Where did I say or imply any off that?
You can't just fabricate stuff as you go along.

The decision to use or not use a drug in any circumstance or situation should be at the discretion of medical professionals.

It's not that difficult to understand.

SusieBlue · 30-01-2019 11:02pm

I’m in a facebook group with circa 30k Irish women, mainly made up of mothers.

Tonight a woman posted about how she had gone for a medical abortion in Holles St on Monday. It was straightforward, no complications, and she was discharged from the clinic.

Today she got a phone call from a man who confirmed her name and address, who told her she needed to return to a clinic for a follow up appointment and further scans.
Shortly afterwards, she received a text with details and directions to her follow up appointment from an 089 number.

She was confused because it contradicted what she had previously been told so she rang Holles St to see if there was a reason she had been called back.
They had no idea what she was talking about, there was no appointment.

So she rang the 089 number and when the man realized he’d been caught out, he gave her the height of abuse, calling her disgusting among other names and asking did she not know what risks she was taking with her choices.

She rang the guards to report it and unfortunately it seems that she isn’t the first woman this has happened to in the last week or two.

Someone in the health service is leaking private, confidential patient information to the Love Boats gang who are then using that information to try to intimidate and harass women into not having abortions.
Just when you think they can’t stoop any lower.

Here’s a screenshot of the text the woman received; she posted the full number but I have blurred it out so it doesn’t get deleted by Boards.

I’m not familiar with Dublin but would love to know what’s at the address she was given.

How anyone can defend or respect the pro life movement after this is absolutely beyond me.

ohnonotgmail · 30-01-2019 11:13pm

according to google maps this crowd are based there https://www.britishpregnancyservices.com/

location here https://www.google.com/maps/place/British+Pregnancy+Services/@53.3574765,-6.2704654,17z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x48670e7fb71aea77:0xda02e18e6cddd75e!2s9+Berkeley+St,+Phibsborough,+Dublin+7,+D07+HNF4!3b1!8m2!3d53.3574733!4d-6.2682767!3m4!1s0x48670e7fb71aea77:0xe273c892e93619b6!8m2!3d53.3574733!4d-6.2682767

according to the reviews it is a pro-life place that offers biased advice .

Fake. This is an prolife "clinic" that likes to women. Avoid.

Anti-choice crowd who are going to new lows to try and convince women to keep their baby. Shame on them!

Please don't go here, it's not trying to help you, only lies, shame and deceit. Anti-choice.

31-01-2019 1:06am

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m in a facebook group with circa 30k Irish women, mainly made up of mothers.

Tonight a woman posted about how she had gone for a medical abortion in Holles St on Monday. It was straightforward, no complications, and she was discharged from the clinic.

Today she got a phone call from a man who confirmed her name and address, who told her she needed to return to a clinic for a follow up appointment and further scans.
Shortly afterwards, she received a text with details and directions to her follow up appointment from an 089 number.

She was confused because it contradicted what she had previously been told so she rang Holles St to see if there was a reason she had been called back.
They had no idea what she was talking about, there was no appointment.

So she rang the 089 number and when the man realized he’d been caught out, he gave her the height of abuse, calling her disgusting among other names and asking did she not know what risks she was taking with her choices.

She rang the guards to report it and unfortunately it seems that she isn’t the first woman this has happened to in the last week or two.

Someone in the health service is leaking private, confidential patient information to the Love Boats gang who are then using that information to try to intimidate and harass women into not having abortions.
Just when you think they can’t stoop any lower.

Here’s a screenshot of the text the woman received; she posted the full number but I have blurred it out so it doesn’t get deleted by Boards.

I’m not familiar with Dublin but would love to know what’s at the address she was given.

How anyone can defend or respect the pro life movement after this is absolutely beyond me.

Did the person in question report it to the DPC also due to obviously personally identifiable information being stolen/supplied to the scumbag?

batgoat · 31-01-2019 8:32am

That message has been identified as originating from a weird pro life group...Hopefully they arrest those responsible.

https://twitter.com/penniemcgonagle/status/1090684250574200837?s=19

8-10 · 31-01-2019 8:49am

That's horrific. My word.

seamus · 31-01-2019 9:37am

May not necessarily have been a GDPR breach - you'd be surprised how often a family member gets an attack of conscience and off their own bat goes and contacts one of these organisations.

Should still be followed up by the DPC and HSE though. They should have logs of every time a patient file is accessed (though they probably don't), and if there is this kind of virus in existence at any hospital, it needs to be eliminated. It undermines the entire system.

swampgas · 31-01-2019 10:01am

seamus wrote: »

May not necessarily have been a GDPR breach - you'd be surprised how often a family member gets an attack of conscience and off their own bat goes and contacts one of these organisations.

Should still be followed up by the DPC and HSE though. They should have logs of every time a patient file is accessed (though they probably don't), and if there is this kind of virus in existence at any hospital, it needs to be eliminated. It undermines the entire system.

HSE aren't much use in my experience - have reported an error in my personal data to dpo@hse.ie and didn't even get an acknowledgement.
Still it's the first step, the DPC can be contacted if the HSE don't respond in an appropriate manner.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/gdpr/gdpr-faq/hse-gdpr-faqs-public.pdf

Igotadose · 31-01-2019 10:26am

swampgas wrote: »

HSE aren't much use in my experience - have reported an error in my personal data to dpo@hse.ie and didn't even get an acknowledgement.
Still it's the first step, the DPC can be contacted if the HSE don't respond in an appropriate manner.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/gdpr/gdpr-faq/hse-gdpr-faqs-public.pdf

Off-topic but I could rail for days about the HSE, it's 'accountability processes' and the office of the DPC. Summary: avoid these lazy dumb good-for-nothing civil servants, don't expect to get anything good out of them ever, they just guard each other's backs.
Don't do anything through e-mail. Letters, demanding a written response, with confirmed delivery and *maybe* you'll hear something.

Hotblack Desiato · 31-01-2019 11:47am

That scumbag needs to be locked up, and whoever gave them the number needs to be locked up too

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 31-01-2019 12:42pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m in a facebook group with circa 30k Irish women, mainly made up of mothers.

Tonight a woman posted about how she had gone for a medical abortion in Holles St on Monday. It was straightforward, no complications, and she was discharged from the clinic.

Today she got a phone call from a man who confirmed her name and address, who told her she needed to return to a clinic for a follow up appointment and further scans.
Shortly afterwards, she received a text with details and directions to her follow up appointment from an 089 number.

She was confused because it contradicted what she had previously been told so she rang Holles St to see if there was a reason she had been called back.
They had no idea what she was talking about, there was no appointment.

So she rang the 089 number and when the man realized he’d been caught out, he gave her the height of abuse, calling her disgusting among other names and asking did she not know what risks she was taking with her choices.

She rang the guards to report it and unfortunately it seems that she isn’t the first woman this has happened to in the last week or two.

Someone in the health service is leaking private, confidential patient information to the Love Boats gang who are then using that information to try to intimidate and harass women into not having abortions.
Just when you think they can’t stoop any lower.

Here’s a screenshot of the text the woman received; she posted the full number but I have blurred it out so it doesn’t get deleted by Boards.

I’m not familiar with Dublin but would love to know what’s at the address she was given.

How anyone can defend or respect the pro life movement after this is absolutely beyond me.

Streetview gives this:

I really hope confidential information isn’t being leaked.

What a violation if so.

amcalester · 31-01-2019 12:45pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Streetview gives this:

It's the blue door rather than the yellow building, or so I could gather from a few google searches.

The website for the Yellow Building is poor and hasn't been updated with the change in law from January but I'm pretty sure it's legit.

Igotadose · 31-01-2019 5:02pm

Indo claiming that Simon Harris has instructed the HSE to investigate.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-to-investigate-alleged-leak-of-patients-details-after-abortion-at-dublin-maternity-hospital-37770171.html

I'd expect nothing to come of the HSE investigation. Investigating their own, isn't their strong suit. Somone(s) in the HSE leaked the data in my opinion. Even if discovered nothing will happen to them.

PopePalpatine · 31-01-2019 5:56pm

It'd be a shame if that number got flooded with gay porn.

mailforkev · 31-01-2019 8:41pm

All the Repeal posters in the office above them is a nice touch.

BBFAN · 31-01-2019 9:25pm

Sick sick bastards who are carrying out this crap, have they nothing else to do with their sad lives?

31-01-2019 9:48pm

BBFAN wrote: »

Sick sick bastards who are carrying out this crap, have they nothing else to do with their sad lives?

Doing the Lord's work in their opinion for most I'd say. Sad sure, but potentially dangerous also.

BBFAN · 31-01-2019 10:04pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Doing the Lord's work in their opinion for most I'd say. Sad sure, but potentially dangerous also.

No, I agree, completely dangerous.

I notice none of the usual are able to defend this carry on?

Dial Hard · 31-01-2019 10:12pm

BBFAN wrote:

I notice none of the usual are able to defend this carry on?

Oh they'll be along shortly, don't doubt it.

31-01-2019 10:14pm

BBFAN wrote: »

No, I agree, completely dangerous.

I notice none of the usual are able to defend this carry on?

I'm sure someone will be along soon. If not here in one of the other threads, even just to try and get a rise out of someone.

astrofool · 31-01-2019 10:16pm

mailforkev wrote: »

All the Repeal posters in the office above them is a nice touch.

It's not the yellow office, it's the place next door apparently (in case someone got it into their head to target the wrong location).

31-01-2019 10:30pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/world/europe/ireland-abortion.html

This actually has a picture of the right place

BBFAN · 31-01-2019 10:41pm

astrofool wrote: »

It's not the yellow office, it's the place next door apparently (in case someone got it into their head to target the wrong location).

Because the yellow office is a completely honest one? Don't think so. :rolleyes:

retro:electro · 31-01-2019 10:57pm

What the hell were they planning on doing if she turned up?! Really scary.

Billy86 · 31-01-2019 11:04pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/world/europe/ireland-abortion.html

This actually has a picture of the right place

Note - copying & pasting that URL into Chrome incognito browser gets around the pay wall. I wonder if Mr. Eamonn Murphy will be getting a visit from the authorities...

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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