Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

pleasant Co.

Sardonicat wrote: »

OK, enough is enough. If these fcukers are stating that they are getting 'reliable information ' surely the guards can question them to disclose their source?
Who can we lobby to ensure a proper investigation of these illegal data breaches.?

Just on this particular one you're quoting from, where is the illegal data breach? I understand that yesterdays creepy pasta seems quite possibly to have been a breach, but this one you'll have to outline for me as all I'm seeing here is a yob looking for, and getting, attention.

Johnny Red Cab

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0201/1026924-hse-investiagtion/

It seems someone is leaking private information to pro life extremists.

The Health Service Executive is investigating an alleged breach of patient information after a woman who had a termination at the National Maternity Hospital in Holles Street in Dublin claimed she was subsequently contacted by anti-abortion activists.

ohnonotgmail

pleasant Co. wrote: »

Just on this particular one you're quoting from, where is the illegal data breach? I understand that yesterdays creepy pasta seems quite possibly to have been a breach, but this one you'll have to outline for me as all I'm seeing here is a yob looking for, and getting, attention.

Pro-Life protesters outside Drogheda Hospital after "receiving reliable information" that abortions are taking place there today

So the questions are:


Did they actually receive this data?
Who did they receive it from?

Dial Hard

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So the questions are:


Did they actually receive this data?
Who did they receive it from?

Bit more detail in this article, where professional crank Charles Byrne pretty much admits that they're getting information from inside the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-protest-2-4472155-Feb2019/

He said that people are providing information to him and, in relation to whether they do so anonymously or not, he said:

"You get some texts but we do have people kind of on the grapevine."

He said he did not want to name anyone who was providing information.

When it was put to him that there must be staff in the hospital giving information he said that there were, but did not want to give any names, saying:

"I don’t want to get anyone in trouble."

B0jangles

Dial Hard wrote: »

Bit more detail in this article, where professional crank Charles Byrne pretty much admits that they're getting information from inside the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-protest-2-4472155-Feb2019/

Even if their source was only one person who has no further access to information (maybe friend/family member of the woman who was contacted), the anti-choice brigade will claim that they still have access to all sorts of highly confidential information.

They want women to be afraid, they wantwomen to be paranoid. They want women to believe that their private medical information is known to people like them.

Shame and fear are, after all, their strongest and most familiar tools.

Johnny Red Cab

They deserve jail for this.

Igotadose

I think it's FUAD from the GW Bush days, Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It may be they're just deciding to show up and start spreading rumors about abortions happening that day. Lies and deceit being their stock in trade, this would be the simplest explanation.

More now than ever the anti-blockading laws the government's bandied about have to become more than threats. Lock them up!

BBFAN

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

This is the website of the place next door. It seems legit to me if a little out of date as it doesn't mention the legalisation of abortion in ireland.

I don't see any website link there?

Hotblack Desiato

Probably unlikely. But it is possible that someone is trolling them by getting them to turn up on days they know that NO abortions are scheduled to take place :pac:

Especially if it's freezin!!!

ohnonotgmail

BBFAN wrote: »

I don't see any website link there?

http://www.reproductivechoices.ie/

Johnny Red Cab

It is Ironic that for a pro life mob they offer vasectomies.

ohnonotgmail

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

It is Ironic that for a pro life mob they offer vasectomies.

That is the website for the place next door. I'm not sure they are a pro-life crowd.

BBFAN

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

http://www.reproductivechoices.ie/

Okay, maybe it is genuine, I just don't know though, hard to trust any of these places now.

Billy86

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

http://www.reproductivechoices.ie/

Apparently it's still illegal to take abortion pills in Ireland, or to seek an abortion for rape or incest, and several of their pages are about how to go abroad to access abortions. Are they even still in business?

ohnonotgmail

Billy86 wrote: »

Apparently it's still illegal to take abortion pills in , or to seek an abortion for rape or incest, and several of their pages are about how to go abroad to access abortions. Are they even still in business?

Possibly not. Though they were aware of the place next door and warned people against it.

http://www.reproductivechoices.ie/trusted-agencies

Please know that the organisation which is next door to us –the blue building before the bicycle shop- is not pro-choice and is the one featured in the recent Times newspaper.

Johnny Red Cab

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

It is Ironic that for a pro life mob they offer vasectomies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

Couldn't help but think of this

AndrewJRenko

seamus wrote: »

Should still be followed up by the DPC and HSE though. They should have logs of every time a patient file is accessed (though they probably don't)

With a paper file in a brown folder, it's pretty difficult to audit accesses.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

With a paper file in a brown folder, it's pretty difficult to audit accesses.

Would still need to be accessed to be printed unless you're indicating that the person providing the information has access to the physical file which reduces the number.

Infini

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

They deserve jail for this.

Should threaten the hospital with the GDPR as well if there's an unwillingless to deal with people leaking personal information like that too. Ringing up someone like that just to be able to go screaming abuse at women to soothe their precious ego? They seem to forget that other's could play that game as well and those giving abuse could find themselves doxxed and getting abuse back in turn or worse. They need to find those involved and put an end to it quickly.

AndrewJRenko

DubInMeath wrote: »

Would still need to be accessed to be printed unless you're indicating that the person providing the information has access to the physical file which reduces the number.

Why would it need to be printed? All it takes is for someone who sees the file to remember a name and phone number, or maybe even take a photo with their own phone of the relevant pages.

kylith

Dial Hard wrote: »

Bit more detail in this article, where professional crank Charles Byrne pretty much admits that they're getting information from inside the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-protest-2-4472155-Feb2019/

Can he be questioned re: GDPR breach and done for obstruction if he won't say where he's getting the information?

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would it need to be printed? All it takes is for someone who sees the file to remember a name and phone number, or maybe even take a photo with their own phone of the relevant pages.

True but your post that I was replying to read like the file would have been printed, at least to me.

Loafing Oaf

kylith wrote: »

Can he be questioned re: GDPR breach and done for obstruction if he won't say where he's getting the information?

If pressed on that, he'd probably say he was bs-ing to focus protest on a particular (arbitrary) day and there was no inside source.

kylith

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Loafing Oaf wrote: »

kylith wrote: »

Can he be questioned re: GDPR breach and done for obstruction if he won't say where he's getting the information?

If pressed on that, he'd probably say he was bs-ing to focus protest on a particular (arbitrary) day and there was no inside source.

I meant regarding the woman who was phoned directly

SusieBlue

The ever classy pro-life campaigners have set up a page called "In Her Shoes - Women of the Eighth who have suffered from abortion".
Basically trying to disguise themselves as the original pro choice In Her Shoes page in order to gain attention and deceive others.

Its full of stories about women who were on their way for an abortion in Ireland over the last few weeks, but changed their minds when they came across the pro-life picketers outside and decided to continue their pregnancies.
Oh, and apparently all these women were once pro-choice and voted Yes in the referendum but have now seen the error in their ways.

I have no problem with a page sharing stories of women who regret their abortions, or decided not to have abortions.
I do have a problem with a page impersonating another one in order to do that.

Do they not realise that they are alienating more and more people with these repeated underhanded tactics?
I have reported the page and hopefully it'll either be deleted or have its name changed soon.

gmisk

SusieBlue wrote: »

The ever classy pro-life campaigners have set up a page called "In Her Shoes - Women of the Eighth who have suffered from abortion".
Basically trying to disguise themselves as the original pro choice In Her Shoes page in order to gain attention and deceive others.

Its full of stories about women who were on their way for an abortion in Ireland over the last few weeks, but changed their minds when they came across the pro-life picketers outside and decided to continue their pregnancies.
Oh, and apparently all these women were once pro-choice and voted Yes in the referendum but have now seen the error in their ways.

I have no problem with a page sharing stories of women who regret their abortions, or decided not to have abortions.
I do have a problem with a page impersonating another one in order to do that.

Do they not realise that they are alienating more and more people with these repeated underhanded tactics?
I have reported the page and hopefully it'll either be deleted or have its name changed soon.

Id love to say i am surprised.
I had a look via app and cant find it so is it gone already?



That myoptions.website is particularly dodgy, I would hope anyone who sees it will realise it is a scam.

RobertKK

I think it is really good that the pro-choice people have this thread to vent their unhappiness and to generalise all people who are pro-life.

Hotblack Desiato

SusieBlue wrote: »

The ever classy pro-life campaigners have set up a page called "In Her Shoes - Women of the Eighth who have suffered from abortion".

How have they "suffered from abortion" if they didn't have one?

ohnonotgmail

RobertKK wrote: »

I think it is really good that the pro-choice people have this thread to vent their unhappiness and to generalise all people who are pro-life.

And it really great that those on the prolife side have made the effort to condemn these tactics.

Dial Hard

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

How have they "suffered from abortion" if they didn't have one?

Because they're all former Pro-Choicers who had abortions and then underwent Damascene conversions silly!