Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Gadgetman496 · 24-01-2019 02:24AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6616767/Millionaire-businessman-linked-TOWIE-stars-shot-dead-hail-20-bullets.html

hatrickpatrick · 24-01-2019 01:57PM

Rattigan's finally been jailed over the Declan Gavin stabbing, which ultimately gave rise to the original Crumlin-Drimnagh (Rattigan v Thompson) feud:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gangland-criminal-brian-rattigan-jailed-for-nine-years-for-fatal-takeaway-stabbing-37744871.html

Rattigan's brother was shot shortly afterwards by Thompson's crew.

I have to ask, what in the name of f*ck is the point of concurrent sentencing? He should have the sentence for this new conviction begin the morning after the previous one ends.

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 02:02PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Rattigan's finally been jailed over the Declan Gavin stabbing, which ultimately gave rise to the original Crumlin-Drimnagh (Rattigan v Thompson) feud:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gangland-criminal-brian-rattigan-jailed-for-nine-years-for-fatal-takeaway-stabbing-37744871.html

Rattigan's brother was shot shortly afterwards by Thompson's crew.

I have to ask, what in the name of f*ck is the point of concurrent sentencing? He should have the sentence for this new conviction begin the morning after the previous one ends.

9 years backdated to October meaning out sometime in 2026

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2019 02:23PM

Southdubin6 wrote: »

9 years backdated to October meaning out sometime in 2026

9 years less automatic remission

Gadgetman496 · 24-01-2019 02:32PM

According to RTE Rattigan was due for release this November. If his sentence today was to run concurrent, how does that work?

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0124/1025240-brian-rattigan/

Rows Grower · 24-01-2019 02:38PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Rattigan's finally been jailed over the Declan Gavin stabbing, which ultimately gave rise to the original Crumlin-Drimnagh (Rattigan v Thompson) feud:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gangland-criminal-brian-rattigan-jailed-for-nine-years-for-fatal-takeaway-stabbing-37744871.html

Rattigan's brother was shot shortly afterwards by Thompson's crew.

I have to ask, what in the name of f*ck is the point of concurrent sentencing? He should have the sentence for this new conviction begin the morning after the previous one ends.

He's been in jail for that particular crime for a very long time and no credit was given for time already served.

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 02:48PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

According to RTE Rattigan was due for release this November. If his sentence today was to run concurrent, how does that work?

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0124/1025240-brian-rattigan/

I THINK... He finishes his drug charge this November, he will remain in custody till 2025 or 2026 as the 9 year for manslaughter starts last October.

weldoninhio · 24-01-2019 03:09PM

Southdubin6 wrote: »

I THINK... He finishes his drug charge this November, he will remain in custody till 2025 or 2026 as the 9 year for manslaughter starts last October.

If it started last October he'll be out in 2024

Gadgetman496 · 24-01-2019 03:11PM

Does concurrent not mean it runs side by side with your current sentence & ends with it?

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2019 03:12PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Does concurrent not mean it runs side by side with your current sentence & ends with it?

it does

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 03:13PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it started last October he'll be out in 2024

Really? My maths is terrible so sorry haha

I had it 9 years prison is 81 months after remission is removed it becomes 9 months for every year (81 months)

81 months from October 2018 leads us to July 2025 ( that’s with remission applied)

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2019 03:14PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it started last October he'll be out in 2024

He will do 6.75 years of the 9 with automatic remission. So starting last october brings him up to June 2025

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 03:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it does

It doesn’t end with it specifically. Runs alongside but if backedated to a certain date (Like Brian’s) it will by pass the remission date and keep you in custody

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2019 03:21PM

Southdubin6 wrote: »

It doesn’t end with it specifically. Runs alongside but if backedated to a certain date (Like Brian’s) it will by pass the remission date and keep you in custody

I didnt say it did. the two sentences run in parallel. He will be released when both sentences have been served.

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 03:23PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I didnt say it did. the two sentences run in parallel. He will be released when both sentences have been served.

You replied it does when responding to

Does concurrent not mean it runs side by side with your current sentence & ends with it?

Last portion of the sentence.

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2019 03:24PM

Southdubin6 wrote: »

You replied it does when responding to

Does concurrent not mean it runs side by side with your current sentence & ends with it?

Last portion of the sentence.

I never even read that far

I stopped after side by side.

hatrickpatrick · 24-01-2019 09:04PM

Would there be much of Rattigan's gang left for him to start up again once he's released? It seems to me that most of his and Thompsons' old crews have been either killed, jailed, or else mixed up into the Kinahan-Byrne-Hutch feud in the meantime, it seems unlikely that the local gangland landscape will be anything like it was when he went inside. It always seemed to me that his gang were less organised than Thompson's back in the day to begin with, but with everything that's been happening since then I feel like he's not going to have much of a network left by the time he gets out...

The Enbalmer · 24-01-2019 09:07PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Would there be much of Rattigan's gang left for him to start up again once he's released? It seems to me that most of his and Thompsons' old crews have been either killed, jailed, or else mixed up into the Kinahan-Byrne-Hutch feud in the meantime, it seems unlikely that the local gangland landscape will be anything like it was when he went inside. It always seemed to me that his gang were less organised than Thompson's back in the day to begin with, but with everything that's been happening since then I feel like he's not going to have much of a network left by the time he gets out...

He will go back to some form of villainy for sure but he wont get far before being shot or thrown back in jail.

Suckit · 24-01-2019 09:33PM

I wonder what sort of repurcussions the shooting of Marco Yaqout will have if any, if it was anything to do with DK.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-01-2019 09:37PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Would there be much of Rattigan's gang left for him to start up again once he's released? It seems to me that most of his and Thompsons' old crews have been either killed, jailed, or else mixed up into the Kinahan-Byrne-Hutch feud in the meantime, it seems unlikely that the local gangland landscape will be anything like it was when he went inside. It always seemed to me that his gang were less organised than Thompson's back in the day to begin with, but with everything that's been happening since then I feel like he's not going to have much of a network left by the time he gets out...

Start up again

Did he ever stop?

hatrickpatrick · 24-01-2019 09:38PM

The Enbalmer wrote: »

He will go back to some form of villainy for sure but he wont get far before being shot or thrown back in jail.

Is he a suspect in any other feud-related attacks? In other words, might there be other court cases coming down the line? If they're only getting him on Gavin's murder now, you'd imagine that some of the feuding he directed would still be in the backlog of things to prosecute...

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Start up again

Did he ever stop?

Well considering he's in jail, I imagine he'll have to for a while...?

paw patrol · 24-01-2019 10:01PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it started last October he'll be out in 2024

quite ununsual sentence.....it's like Rattigan served 2009 (when convicted of murder) - 2013 for nothing.
I can see him winning an appeal on the start date of the current sentence
and being out pretty quick.

The reasoning of the judge that he was only back dating to when Rattigan pleaded guilty is absurd...

Rows Grower · 24-01-2019 10:03PM

paw patrol wrote: »

quite ununsual sentence.....it's like Rattigan served 2009 (when convicted of murder) - 2013 for nothing.
I can see him winning an appeal on the start date of the current sentence
and being out pretty quick.

The reasoning of the judge that he was only back dating to when Rattigan pleaded guilty is absurd...

I can't understand that either.

Southdubin6 · 24-01-2019 10:47PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

I can't understand that either.

Sergeant interviewed after the case near enough said the same but said it’s what the judiciary felt was right.

HeidiHeidi · 24-01-2019 11:35PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Well considering he's in jail, I imagine he'll have to for a while...?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-life-and-crimes-of-brian-rattigan-1.3325229

In June, 2008, he was linked to a €1 million drug seizure in Dublin. In 2013, he was convicted of directing that drug deal from his prison cell and jailed for 17 years; a sentence backdated to June 2008, when the drugs were found.

realdanbreen · 25-01-2019 09:20AM

Any news on baked beans? Is the heat still on?

ghostfacekilla · 25-01-2019 09:47AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Would there be much of Rattigan's gang left for him to start up again once he's released? It seems to me that most of his and Thompsons' old crews have been either killed, jailed, or else mixed up into the Kinahan-Byrne-Hutch feud in the meantime, it seems unlikely that the local gangland landscape will be anything like it was when he went inside. It always seemed to me that his gang were less organised than Thompson's back in the day to begin with, but with everything that's been happening since then I feel like he's not going to have much of a network left by the time he gets out...

His stronghold was basin lane flats complex in D8, he had a lot of loyal little and much younger gurriers in there. I knew of three of them when I lived there ten or so years ago.

One was burned and found buried in Kildare.
The second who took a famous case against the guards and lost is a hopeless heroin addict
The third was a notoriously violent inmate who is now clean and has left that world behind him.

benny79 · 25-01-2019 11:13AM

paw patrol wrote: »

quite ununsual sentence.....it's like Rattigan served 2009 (when convicted of murder) - 2013 for nothing.
I can see him winning an appeal on the start date of the current sentence
and being out pretty quick.

The reasoning of the judge that he was only back dating to when Rattigan pleaded guilty is absurd...

Of course he will win an appeal. He won the previous murder cases so Im sure he didn't just plead guilty to manslaughter for no reason all of a sudden! These lads know the law inside out! I think he's locked up since 2001/2002 and has served time on being convicted of the murder over Declan Gavin I'd say a good few years (the main reason he's still locked up) even doe the Judge did not take this into account I think by Law he has too.. Sure then he served time for nothing..

This country is so Fcuked up who knows sure Fat freddies son will only do 2 years for the manslaughter of that young lad in oliver bond.. which is absolutely shocking.. Crime does pay in this country..

ohnonotgmail · 25-01-2019 11:16AM

benny79 wrote: »

Of course he will win an appeal. He won the previous murder cases so Im sure he didn't just plead guilty to manslaughter for no reason all of a sudden! These lads know the law inside out! I think he's locked up since 2001/2002 and has served time on being convicted of the murder over Declan Gavin I'd say a good few years (the main reason he's still locked up) even doe the Judge did not take this into account I think by Law he has too.. Sure then he served time for nothing..

This country is so Fcuked up who knows sure Fat freddies son will only do 2 years for the manslaughter of that young lad in oliver bond.. which is absolutely shocking.. Crime does pay in this country..

He was also serving time for drugs offences so i cant see the issue with his manslaughter sentence starting at the time he plead guilty.

benny79 · 25-01-2019 11:19AM

Paper said he's being in custody since 2003 and got convicted of the drugs charge in 2013 so thats 10 years served on the murder charge, which cant be just ignored. But who knows I feel its just headlines grabbing as these lads appeal and win and get out and it goes unnoticed..

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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