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RobertKK wrote: »

10 out of 19 hospitals not carrying out abortions.

“You need a certain core number of people willing to do those procedures, and also nursing staff willing to assist. In some hospitals, that has been difficult because not everybody is happy,”

From the article

Only in Ireland

What next ? Whores that don't whore ?

Instead start telling you you should get your car ceramic waxed and polished and can you go make the effort to go out see her mam this Sunday ?

It's like a wonky parallel universe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

presumably you ask them all to recite the rosary to confirm their religious credentials?

Why would you presume that?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

They should indeed. And I can’t see why a teacher who supports liberal abortion laws wouldn’t pass the checks and controls. Indeed, I doubt they’d be asked about it. If supporting liberal abortion laws was a problem, well, nobody can know how the teaching candidate voted. They don’t actually have to tell the truth there seeing as it can’t be disproved.

So yeah, if you have children, there’s a good chance they will have teaching who support the abortion laws we now have in place.

Note that I said promote, not support. I'm sure there are people who voted to repeal who don't want a liberal regime, probably loads of them, but sure that's the way it was done.

uptherebels wrote: »

The only way to provide the abortions that were required was to being in a "liberal" regime.

Yes, that's what was said. Are abortions available here though after 12 weeks?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because you dont want any of those godless atheists near your children. You made that clear.

I didn't say anything about religion. That could be just a misconception of yours.

Newstalk, heard the wagon myself. A time traveller from the 1960s for sure. Certainly she came from the last bastions of catholic ireland, where no one had any autonomy.

Moonjet wrote: »

amcalester wrote: »

Give it time, more GP's will sign up.

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

It's not about not having the relevant training/equipment no?

I love how it's been legal for two weeks, introduced admittedly quickly, and some people are diving on this as proof that nobody wants to do it.

Pretty sure that these are all the same posters who were criticising Harris's date of 1st January as being too soon, and that hospitals wouldn't be ready for it.

So which is it? Hospitals weren't ready for it, or they don't want to do it?

9 out of 19 units being up and running within two weeks with very little notice is very good as far as I can see. This has not been available in Ireland in any appreciable way, most medical staff will never have done this in Ireland before, and thus there is a need to upskill. Medical practitioners can and do decline to get involved in treatments that they do not believe they are competent at. So with only a few weeks to prepare, I would expect a sizeable number of people to sign themselves off it until they have appropriately upskilled. I'm somewhat surprised that so early on, more than five hospitals have the staff to do it tbh. I would have expected the 3 Dublin units, Cork and Galway to be available, and little else for a couple of months.

Come back to us in six months and tell us how many medical staff are refusing to do it. Then there might be a story.

thee glitz wrote: »

Yes, that's what was said. Are abortions available here though after 12 weeks?

You already know the answer to this.

Topathemornin wrote: »

The concerns vocalised aren't as black and white as that.

We already have protesters showing up to the 200 odd clinics and making it very difficult for women to seek treatment. If I was a woman I'd still be too worried about being photographed or confronted by these people than to seek abortion services in my own country.

And what about all the women of child-bearing age who are visiting their doctor/hospital for other treatments or complaints?

Women visit doctors for many many reasons, of which only a small minority will be seeking abortion services. But these protestors won’t know the difference, so many women who shouldn’t feel any pressure will feel intimidated. These protests affect all women visiting a doctor.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Then the woman seeking an abortion just nips off to the clinic a mile away where there are no protests. Trying to seriously disrupt the abortion service through these sorts of protests is like playing whack-a-mole with one flimsy hammer and thousands of moles popping up all over the place. I'm sure this will soon become apparent to the handful who have been protesting so far and they'll give up the ghost.

and if it doesn't we enact the proposed legislation and start locking them up. Their right to protest does not supersede anybody else's right to medical treatment.