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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

RobertKK wrote: »

A lot of the experts in the health sector refuse to carry out abortions it seems as they conscientiously object to abortion.

This is not new information. As a Yes voter, I never expected that every GP surgery would provide the service. In countries where it was legal, not all doctors provided the service. I was very aware of this. In fact, each county will only need a handful of surgeries with the service to ably meet demand.

Last week, 200 doctors had signed up and that wasn’t the final figure. And if 200 is the final figure, it’s still plenty.

So, it’s a win-win. Doctors who don’t want to give abortions don’t have to and we have enough already who will.

As for surgical abortions, this will sort itself out. Again, only a small number of willing surgeons will be needed. There will naturally be teething problems in the beginning.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Oh and I’m happy to provide pertinent article snippets if RobertKK won’t. I don’t think copyright allows printing the whole thing here.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abortion-services-hit-by-conscientious-objectors-50hxt6mv0?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1547192844

gctest50

RobertKK wrote: »

10 out of 19 hospitals not carrying out abortions.

“You need a certain core number of people willing to do those procedures, and also nursing staff willing to assist. In some hospitals, that has been difficult because not everybody is happy,”

From the article

Only in Ireland

What next ? Whores that don't whore ?

Instead start telling you you should get your car ceramic waxed and polished and can you go make the effort to go out see her mam this Sunday ?

It's like a wonky parallel universe

tretorn

Im not surprised some hospitals dont have enough staff wanting to participate in abortion.

Some people just in conscience wont do it and the State cant force them too.

If there isnt enough staff to get involved then the woman who wants the abortion simply has to go where abortion is available.

This is fair to everyone.

Over seven hundred thousand people voted NO to abortion and a huge number of those people could work in the Health Service and they were guaranteed by Harris that people could opt out of abortion without any consequences.

thee glitz

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

presumably you ask them all to recite the rosary to confirm their religious credentials?

Why would you presume that?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

They should indeed. And I can’t see why a teacher who supports liberal abortion laws wouldn’t pass the checks and controls. Indeed, I doubt they’d be asked about it. If supporting liberal abortion laws was a problem, well, nobody can know how the teaching candidate voted. They don’t actually have to tell the truth there seeing as it can’t be disproved.

So yeah, if you have children, there’s a good chance they will have teaching who support the abortion laws we now have in place.

Note that I said promote, not support. I'm sure there are people who voted to repeal who don't want a liberal regime, probably loads of them, but sure that's the way it was done.

uptherebels wrote: »

The only way to provide the abortions that were required was to being in a "liberal" regime.

Yes, that's what was said. Are abortions available here though after 12 weeks?

ohnonotgmail

thee glitz wrote: »

Why would you presume that?

because you dont want any of those godless atheists near your children. You made that clear.

thee glitz

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because you dont want any of those godless atheists near your children. You made that clear.

I didn't say anything about religion. That could be just a misconception of yours.

Feisar

This was on the radio this morning, they (can't remember the station) had an anti abortion person speaking who made two point, one relevent the other retarded.

1. It's an irresponsible lifestyle that leads to crisis pregnancy so tough titty. (I'm ad libbing however I'm sure youget the point)

2. People have to travel from Donegal to Galway for cancer treatment. Hopping over a county is hardly a massive burden.

IMHO it's a non story does anyone think otherwise?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/no-abortion-service-being-provided-in-four-counties-1.3748059

ELM327

Newstalk, heard the wagon myself. A time traveller from the 1960s for sure. Certainly she came from the last bastions of catholic ireland, where no one had any autonomy.

[Deleted User]

Sh1tstorm ahead.

amcalester

Give it time, more GP's will sign up.

suicide_circus

amcalester wrote: »

Give it time, more GP's will sign up.

is there big money in it?

0cp71eyxkb94qf

Heard her myself. Instead of answering the question about women having to travel for abortion services she went on some rant about cancer patients. It's an utter disgrace in this day and age that scientifically proven medical procedures cannot be provided to people in need due to some religious hogwash. The vote was taken and the people have spoken.

Moonjet

amcalester wrote: »

Give it time, more GP's will sign up.

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

Sardonicat

Moonjet wrote: »

amcalester wrote: »

Give it time, more GP's will sign up.

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

It's not about not having the relevant training/equipment no?

SusieBlue

Moonjet wrote: »

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

Your figures are a bit skewed, there.

Also the number was at 200 as of 07/01, which is an amazing number for just 5 working days into the year.

With Christmas/New Year, clinics being closed, and actually signing up and getting the information together, I think 200 GPs in 5 working days is a brilliant start.

0cp71eyxkb94qf

Moonjet wrote: »

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

Doctors have signed up to kill women? Jesus that's not what I voted repeal for!

Sardonicat

Topathemornin wrote: »

Moonjet wrote: »

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

Doctors have signed up to kill women? Jesus that's not what I voted repeal for!

Relax! They're not allowed to do that (anymore)

amcalester

suicide_circus wrote: »

is there big money in it?

That's a loaded question if ever I saw one.

Moonjet wrote: »

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

That's not bad for 2 weeks, give it 2 months and I'm sure it'll be much higher.

LirW

Moonjet wrote: »

Only 200/3,500 so far.

Thankfully there are still doctors in the country opposed to taking human life, rather than being complicit in the act.

I wouldn't be too surprised if doctors in rural areas where everyone knows everyone don't sign up for the service because the pressure is too high not to and doing so would put their practice's reputation in jeopardy.

seamus

I love how it's been legal for two weeks, introduced admittedly quickly, and some people are diving on this as proof that nobody wants to do it.

Pretty sure that these are all the same posters who were criticising Harris's date of 1st January as being too soon, and that hospitals wouldn't be ready for it.

So which is it? Hospitals weren't ready for it, or they don't want to do it?

9 out of 19 units being up and running within two weeks with very little notice is very good as far as I can see. This has not been available in Ireland in any appreciable way, most medical staff will never have done this in Ireland before, and thus there is a need to upskill. Medical practitioners can and do decline to get involved in treatments that they do not believe they are competent at. So with only a few weeks to prepare, I would expect a sizeable number of people to sign themselves off it until they have appropriately upskilled. I'm somewhat surprised that so early on, more than five hospitals have the staff to do it tbh. I would have expected the 3 Dublin units, Cork and Galway to be available, and little else for a couple of months.

Come back to us in six months and tell us how many medical staff are refusing to do it. Then there might be a story.

ohnonotgmail

LirW wrote: »

I wouldn't be too surprised if doctors in rural areas where everyone knows everyone don't sign up for the service because the pressure is too high not to and doing so would put their practice's reputation in jeopardy.

I'm sure that may be the case in some of the rural backwaters but every county voted yes bar one. The opposition may be vocal but it doesn;t have the numbers.

uptherebels

thee glitz wrote: »

Yes, that's what was said. Are abortions available here though after 12 weeks?

You already know the answer to this.

0cp71eyxkb94qf

seamus wrote: »

I love how it's been legal for two weeks, introduced admittedly quickly, and some people are diving on this as proof that nobody wants to do it.

Pretty sure that these are all the same posters who were criticising Harris's date of 1st January as being too soon, and that hospitals wouldn't be ready for it.

So which is it? Hospitals weren't ready for it, or they don't want to do it?

9 out of 19 units being up and running within two weeks with very little notice is very good as far as I can see. This has not been available in Ireland in any appreciable way, most medical staff will never have done this in Ireland before, and thus there is a need to upskill. Medical practitioners can and do decline to get involved in treatments that they do not believe they are competent at. So with only a few weeks to prepare, I would expect a sizeable number of people to sign themselves off it until they have appropriately upskilled. I'm somewhat surprised that so early on, more than five hospitals have the staff to do it tbh. I would have expected the 3 Dublin units, Cork and Galway to be available, and little else for a couple of months.

Come back to us in six months and tell us how many medical staff are refusing to do it. Then there might be a story.

The concerns vocalised aren't as black and white as that.

We already have protesters showing up to the 200 odd clinics and making it very difficult for women to seek treatment. If I was a woman I'd still be too worried about being photographed or confronted by these people rather than seek abortion services in my own country.

dudara

Topathemornin wrote: »

The concerns vocalised aren't as black and white as that.

We already have protesters showing up to the 200 odd clinics and making it very difficult for women to seek treatment. If I was a woman I'd still be too worried about being photographed or confronted by these people than to seek abortion services in my own country.

And what about all the women of child-bearing age who are visiting their doctor/hospital for other treatments or complaints?

Women visit doctors for many many reasons, of which only a small minority will be seeking abortion services. But these protestors won’t know the difference, so many women who shouldn’t feel any pressure will feel intimidated. These protests affect all women visiting a doctor.

ohnonotgmail

Topathemornin wrote: »

The concerns vocalised aren't as black and white as that.

We already have protesters showing up to the 200 odd clinics and making it very difficult for women to seek treatment. If I was a woman I'd still be too worried about being photographed or confronted by these people rather than seek abortion services in my own country.

how would any protestor that a female patient attending a GP is there for an abortion?

0cp71eyxkb94qf

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how would any protestor that a female patient attending a GP is there for an abortion?

They wouldn't. I mean the image portrayed in the media of protesters outside clinics would act as a deterrent.

Loafing Oaf

Topathemornin wrote: »

They wouldn't. I mean the image portrayed in the media of protesters outside clinics would act as a deterrent.

Then the woman seeking an abortion just nips off to the clinic a mile away where there are no protests. Trying to seriously disrupt the abortion service through these sorts of protests is like playing whack-a-mole with one flimsy hammer and thousands of moles popping up all over the place. I'm sure this will soon become apparent to the handful who have been protesting so far and they'll give up the ghost.

ohnonotgmail

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Then the woman seeking an abortion just nips off to the clinic a mile away where there are no protests. Trying to seriously disrupt the abortion service through these sorts of protests is like playing whack-a-mole with one flimsy hammer and thousands of moles popping up all over the place. I'm sure this will soon become apparent to the handful who have been protesting so far and they'll give up the ghost.

and if it doesn't we enact the proposed legislation and start locking them up. Their right to protest does not supersede anybody else's right to medical treatment.

SusieBlue

I wonder what the reaction would be if Pro Choice protesters picketed the clinics of doctors not offering abortions services.
I wonder would the right to protest be defended as vehemently as it currently is, or would there be a bit of hypocrisy and double standards in the responses.