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French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Well I don't have kids and don't want them but if I did, I certainly would have been in no place financially or mentally to have them in my 20s. There's no right or wrong time to have kids, just the right time for those involved. Besides, why aren't more 20 something guys looking to have kids or is this all the fault of women? I don't know, from my own personal experience, any guys in their 20s who wanted kids

    Well I would say the wrong time to have kids is about 35+ when it gets a lot more difficult and dangerous to have them.

    As for why men don't want to start families? Well a combination of being manchildren who just want to play computer games and an inability to meet a girl who wants to settle down. Seems a lot people are kicking the can down the road in that regard. I'm 30 and I know I need to get sonething serious going soon so I can get married and have children.

    The alternative is to be the eternal bachelor or the old man in the nightclub or the bitter old loser in the pub all day. None of those even bear thinking about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Ah sure GC and the occasional Darwin Award recipient will raise a guilty giggle, but generally not so much. I've been through enough difficult times in my life to not want to wish ill on others. I certainly hope not to go down the gloating route . Bad energy for the soul and all that.

    organ music.

    beam of light.

    wibbs ascends into heaven.

    first seat on the right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Arah, greencap. Life must be tough. How can you have all that bitterness in ya?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    Arghus wrote: »
    Arah, greencap. Life must be tough. How can you have all that bitterness in ya?

    oh fck off. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Another thing is I don't think women realise how tough many men have it when it comes to finding a partner. Many men have terrible social skills and if they failed to learn how to interact with girls in school they are probably ****ed for life. It's way easier for women in that regard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Another thing is I don't think women realise how tough many men have it when it comes to finding a partner. Many men have terrible social skills and if they failed to learn how to interact with girls in school they are probably ****ed for life. It's way easier for women in that regard.

    Most women do realise this. It's not a competition over who has a tougher time of it. You'll notice from this thread that it's not women who are turning into a battle of men vs women, it's the guys who are posting about "Post wall" and justice that are making it a battle


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    greencap wrote: »
    You know, just cause facts don't sound nice, doesn't mean that the person saying them is bad in some way.

    If I told you a million soldiers (male and female) perished at Stalingrad, would I be called blood thirsty, etc.

    Some thing just are.
    It doesn't have to be about the person who says it, or their childhood, or their social circle.

    What facts? Your posts sound like a rant lifted straight from some YouTube goon in the USA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    mzungu wrote: »
    What facts? Your posts sound like a rant lifted straight from some YouTube goon in the USA.

    He's been reading up on the MGTOW movement, clearly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,425 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Seriously, you can love your cat and your man! They are not mutually exclusive.
    Unfortunately cats hate me at it seems like an instinctive level. Cats are allergic to me. :D Ditto for horses and hoofed animals in general. On the other hand dogs love me. Hell, even human habituated wolves love me(word to the wise, if they like you they try to French kiss you). But cats, nope.
    There's clearly something very, very wrong with you. Do your eyebrows meet in the middle?

    All animals love my fella. Even my really stand offish cat who baulks at human touch throws herself at him like a little, furry trollop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭ginandtonicsky


    Another thing is I don't think women realise how tough many men have it when it comes to finding a partner. Many men have terrible social skills and if they failed to learn how to interact with girls in school they are probably ****ed for life. It's way easier for women in that regard.

    And men have exclusivity on that, do they? Tell me more about men being the only people who struggle to find a partner. I could rattle off a laundry list of at least ten women who torture themselves over this sh1t without so much as thinking about it. Been sold the dream of men constantly asking them out, being lied to about what they need to do to be attractive to men (including: don't for a second make a move on a guy, if he wants you he'll chase you!). Social women, socially awkward women, attractive women, not so attractive women.

    Being used for sex and dropped like a hot potato when/if they ever get anywhere with men they like, developing complexes and self-esteem issues because they spent their lives being the "hot girl's" sidekick or unwitting wingwoman who never got a sideways glance from any man if there was a vaguely attractive woman in their presence. Or being valued solely on their looks and objectified and treated like a piece of meat from the get-go.

    And then being told they're inadequate and weird and "why did you waste so long working on your career/being single/travelling/insert-normal-behaviour in your 20s, you're too old now" by society when they're still partner-less after a certain age.

    And did I mention cat jokes?

    The problem with humanising women and looking at reality for what it is, is that it doesn't support a world view that you're pathologically clutching at with a death grip.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    mzungu wrote: »
    What facts? Your posts sound like a rant lifted straight from some YouTube goon in the USA.

    Pick one.

    Maybe the youtube goons have it right.

    Just being a goon doesn't make you wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    And men have exclusivity on that, do they? Tell me more about men being the only people who struggle to find a partner. I could rattle off a laundry list of at least ten women who torture themselves over this sh1t without so much as thinking about it. Been sold the dream of men constantly asking them out, being lied to about what they need to do to be attractive to men (including: don't for a second make a move on a guy, if he wants you he'll chase you!). Social women, socially awkward women, attractive women, not so attractive women.

    Being used for sex and dropped like a hot potato when/if they ever get anywhere with men they like, developing complexes and self-esteem issues because they spent their lives being the "hot girl's" sidekick or unwitting wingwoman who never got a sideways glance from any man if there was a vaguely attractive woman in their presence. Or being valued solely on their looks and objectified and treated like a piece of meat from the get-go.

    And then being told they're inadequate and weird and "why did you waste so long working on your career/being single/travelling/insert-normal-behaviour in your 20s, you're too old now" by society when they're still partner-less after a certain age.

    And did I mention cat jokes?

    The problem with humanising women and looking at reality for what it is, is that it doesn't support a world view that you're pathologically clutching at with a death grip.

    Women have it easier when it comes to dating/love, sure they still get heart broken, meet the cheaters, manipulators players etc. But in terms of opportunity it's not a level playing field whether that's for love or a short term fling


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    greencap wrote: »
    Pick one.

    Maybe the youtube goons have it right.

    Just being a goon doesn't make you wrong.

    There are no facts to pick. Pretty much everything you have posted has already been posted before (in various forms) down through the years with the main source coming from said YouTube goons and other assorted groupings on subreddits.

    There is nothing new there. No great big insight. No facts. Just lies. It's all made up fantasy for insecure men to avoid any kind of critical self analysis as to how they ended up dateless and alone in the first place. This is why RedPill and all those lads get a following. They are all scared of any kind of critical self examination because they know that they are the problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    mzungu wrote: »
    There are no facts to pick. Pretty much everything you have posted has already been posted before (in various forms) down through the years with the main source coming from said YouTube goons and other assorted groupings on subreddits.

    There is nothing new there. No great big insight. No facts. Instead its merely made up fantasy in order to avoid any kind of critical self analysis as to how they ended up dateless and alone in the first place.

    lol.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    I’m sure the sjw’ complaining about what he said would sleep with a 50 year old.

    It's more than likely that all of these women are angry that a wealthy man will be taken. They wouldn't care if he was Jimmy the street sweeper or farmhand.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    greencap wrote: »
    Pick one.

    Maybe the youtube goons have it right.

    Just being a goon doesn't make you wrong.
    Indeed. Goons, earlier. Responding to a question on post 2010 gender politics.

    the_goon_show.jpg
    Women have it easier when it comes to dating/love, sure they still get heart broken, meet the cheaters, manipulators players etc. But in terms of opportunity it's not a level playing field whether that's for love or a short term fling
    They get more approached. They're most likely to be the socially receptive "passive" partner in the dance. It's not passive at all, but that's for another day... And it's a given excessive shyness, or social awkwardness in a woman is far less of an issue than the same in a man. The latter can easily become the Invisible Man. You're on the money AX they are more likely to get approached and don't or rarely have to do the direct asking, but it's who is approaching them that's the thing.

    OK AX imagine reverso world for a moment, a world where you're the woman. You think deadly buzz. You're out of a night and men approach and chat you up. Great, but imagine the vast majority are guys you're not interested in, or they're pissed up and lazy eyed, or a bit too handsy, or you think it's just before last orders and it's any hole is a goal, or you do like him, but he's mooching on your terminally blonde friend with the giggles and padded bra. Or you simply want to have a few beers with mates down the pub, but have to deal with guys chatting you up at the bar, going to the jacks etc. Then it's not so great.

    So yeah it's an advantage for women, but it's not the golden ticket it might appear to be on the surface. At least men choose who they approach. I'd reckon it's pretty 50/50 all in.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Average 30+ career woman in 20 years time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,302 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Average 30+ career woman in 20 years time

    Average guy saying women need to pay close attention to how they look as a matter of priority.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    mzungu wrote: »
    There is nothing new there. No great big insight. No facts. Just lies. It's all made up fantasy for insecure men to avoid any kind of critical self analysis as to how they ended up dateless and alone in the first place. This is why RedPill and all those lads get a following. They are all scared of any kind of critical self examination because they know that they are the problem.
    Well.... yes M, but with a tiny bit of no. Years back when the PUA/Red pill thing started to gain traction(hello Scanlas *waves* :)) and I was helping mod Personal Issues, where it started to show up, I had an oul delve into the culture of it, to get some angle on it for myself. Now in fairness, that was then, so...

    What I found was yeah there was the well dodgy stuff, built on some obvious conclusions and facts, but with a hefty sprinkle of preselection and atomic powered Bro Science™. However there was also a major sense of self help type stuff for guys who felt left behind or outa step. Guys who essentially wanted help and couldn't find it anywhere, or found the usual "be yourself" advice the nonsense in practical terms that it is. Self improvement was a big thing. That a guy could improve his life and get more women. The former was heavily pushed as being more "real" in "frame"(like any group internal jargon is widespread).

    The MGTOW types I've seen take the same setup but have just given up. Ditto for the Incels, with added bile. Both take great comfort in backing up their collective worldview.

    TBH I had some respect for the PUA types. At least they were active, not passive and felt they could be better. Or at least trying.

    The bit that really rubbed me up the wrong way was how a few guys were exploiting these (mostly)young men by offering a "simple solution" and that's gotten worse since. Many of the young guys were/are clearly open to suggestion, not out of stupidity, but desperation and these "gurus" were milking them for attention and money. Given how popular it was and is, it also showed me how so many young guys do feel left behind. And given a fair chunk of the acceptable mainstream advice given is authored by women I could see how it would appeal to many.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    And men have exclusivity on that, do they? Tell me more about men being the only people who struggle to find a partner. I could rattle off a laundry list of at least ten women who torture themselves over this sh1t without so much as thinking about it. Been sold the dream of men constantly asking them out, being lied to about what they need to do to be attractive to men (including: don't for a second make a move on a guy, if he wants you he'll chase you!). Social women, socially awkward women, attractive women, not so attractive women.

    Being used for sex and dropped like a hot potato when/if they ever get anywhere with men they like, developing complexes and self-esteem issues because they spent their lives being the "hot girl's" sidekick or unwitting wingwoman who never got a sideways glance from any man if there was a vaguely attractive woman in their presence. Or being valued solely on their looks and objectified and treated like a piece of meat from the get-go.

    And then being told they're inadequate and weird and "why did you waste so long working on your career/being single/travelling/insert-normal-behaviour in your 20s, you're too old now" by society when they're still partner-less after a certain age.

    And did I mention cat jokes?

    The problem with humanising women and looking at reality for what it is, is that it doesn't support a world view that you're pathologically clutching at with a death grip.

    Yeah but those same women can STILL get sex and relationships. Now you're going to say 'yeah but that's just casual sex' well maybe but it's nice to know you can still hook up with some and experience some intimacy, even if it's a one night stand. The average looking, introverted guy may never experience that.

    Same with relationships. Plenty of men these days will never get to experience one. Whereas most women do.

    So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Average guy saying women need to pay close attention to how they look as a matter of priority.

    hqdefault.jpg

    Thank God for escorts so ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    People are getting carried away.

    I am almost at the age bracket this guy does not want and I posted earlier to say who cares?

    I've lived to almost 50 not knowing anything or any meaning about PuA, red pills, blue pills, incels, chore sex, wall women, Femenazi.

    Really, WTF is this crap and how does it impact people in day to day life.? What use is this rubbish. Have people nothing more productive to do with their time?

    I don't know anyone in real life who entertains this horse ****, so I find it very odd. I've got to almost fifty being totally ignorant of all of these words and meaning, yet, it's not impacted my life negatively at all.

    If people do actually dwell on this stuff, then they really need to take a long, hard, look at themselves and put that pent up, negative energy to better use. I suggest volunteering, it can be very rewarding.

    Bitterness only affects the bitter party, lot here would do well to remember that.

    The French bloke is an arrogant, ugly asshole- why would anyone really care if they were invisible to him?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yeah but those same women can STILL get sex and relationships. Now you're going to say 'yeah but that's just casual sex' well maybe but it's nice to know you can still hook up with some and experience some intimacy, even if it's a one night stand. The average looking, introverted guy may never experience that.
    There's an element of that alright.
    Same with relationships. Plenty of men these days will never get to experience one. Whereas most women do.
    OK SY, but think about that for a moment. If plenty of men never experience a relationship, but most women do and men and women are 50/50 of the population. How does that work? There must be an awful lot of guys having relationships with a load of different women at the same time.
    So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?
    I'd be on the same page with you there. This very popular stuff didn't just fall outa the blue.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Wibbs wrote: »

    OK SY, but think about that for a moment. If plenty of men never experience a relationship, but most women do and men and women are 50/50 of the population. How does that work? There must be an awful lot of guys having relationships with a load of different women at the same time.

    I get what your saying but I know quite a few lads who've never had relationships or were in their 20s before they got any experience with a woman. There are forums filled with men all the world who just can't seem to make it with the ladies. Was it always like that?

    I just dont think women can understand that you can go your entire life completly ignored by the opposite sex. Put it this way, there are men with a fetish for chubby women. I don't think there are any women with fetish for very short men!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,425 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Not having a relationship til your twenties is pretty common for both sexes I would have thought. And your twenties is not your entire life!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    Didn't read the whole thread because I am just too tired. Working 2 jobs takes its toll. I am in my 50s and I totally get what that guy means. 25 yr olds are infinitely more attractive than someone like me. I look at me in the mirror and on my best day I couldn't be called any more than below average. Most men at first glance would probably not consider giving me a second. But that's on a purely physical level. You would expect a 50 year old man would be looking for more of a connection with a partner than simply physical but whatever his emotional and social intelligence allows him to be is what it is. Do I care? He doesn't like my body. I don't like his attitude. As someone else pointed out win/win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I get what your saying but I know quite a few lads who've never had relationships or were in their 20s before they got any experience with a woman. There are forums filled with men all the world who just can't seem to make it with the ladies. Was it always like that?

    I just dont think women can understand that you can go your entire life completly ignored by the opposite sex. Put it this way, there are men with a fetish for chubby women. I don't think there are any women with fetish for very short men!

    I dont think some men understand that sex and attention from women isn't a human right. And that women don't exist solely for them. It's not surprising that women don't find bitterness and barely concealed rage an attractive quality. Where did this sense of entitlement come from?


  • Posts: 1,469 [Deleted User]



    So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?

    An education system that devalues natural male traits, is taught mostly by women and that suits female learning traits is bound to have an affect. It's easier to check out of society to a minor degree in a school system that doesn't suit you and just become increasingly isolated from there.

    Sure, school works for some boys, but way too many are left out in the cold by it and leave the system having internalised that they aren't intelligent etc.

    The era when men could leave school at 16 and walk into a reasonably paying job with very little education is gone. Now we have men who are hitting delayed adulthood, still living at home and unable to work or find work and no wonder resentment builds in a tiny percentage of them. Far more men kill themselves or become junkies than become incels, but all point to a system that is failing men in massive numbers.

    Btw, I think if we had solutions on how to fix this, people probably would fix it. Mass education for people older that 16 is still a relatively new concept. Most people still don't see that the education system is broken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Didn't read the whole thread because I am just too tired. Working 2 jobs takes its toll. I am in my 50s and I totally get what that guy means. 25 yr olds are infinitely more attractive than someone like me. I look at me in the mirror and on my best day I couldn't be called any more than below average. Most men at first glance would probably not consider giving me a second. But that's on a purely physical level. You would expect a 50 year old man would be looking for more of a connection with a partner than simply physical but whatever his emotional and social intelligence allows him to be is what it is. Do I care? He doesn't like my body. I don't like his attitude. As someone else pointed out win/win.

    What I find more odd, is that hes no Keanu Reeves himself . He's not young looking for 50. Or handsome. Not exactly charming either. There are many 50 year old women who wouldn't p on him.

    It's a bit like Donald Trump saying he does not fancy you.

    Ahh yer grand Donald.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Arghus wrote: »
    You gotta love how you saw an opportunity for some wimmin bashing in even this subject.

    No he didn't bash.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    One of the guys who has a problem with women here complained about women benefitting from freebies, preferential treatment and so on... now I see how that's annoying, but who comes up with the idea? Men, that's who. My friend was like an antichrist one busy night out (think it was Paddy's night) because he was on the street flagging taxi after taxi into the wee hours, yet was being rebuffed repeatedly because of pretty women catching the eyes of the taxi drivers instead. He didn't blame those women though - he blamed the taxi drivers.

    It makes no sense to complain about certain women being a certain way, and then behaving in that same way towards women - to get revenge on the certain ones from years before.

    I understand that it's more difficult for average-looking nervous young guys low on confidence to get together with women, and they can face the barrier of absolute bitches humiliating them (really detest such behaviour; it's nasty bullying, and on a more selfish level, it's grist to a misogynist's mill) but I don't buy that young men are treated like absolute sh1t by young women. I think this type of statement is from someone who had a terrible time and tells himself that it was like that for every average guy and that young women average to pretty are nearly all the same in their attitudes. Or it's anger at just not being fancied - but you can't force someone to fancy you. I do think it's sh1t that there are lonely, isolated men but if they turn this into hatred towards women, then sympathy gone. And this does happen - particularly with those extremely misogynistic online movements. Why should women have understanding towards those who hate them simply for being women? They're as bad as the radical feminist ones but one type ok, the other not? I'd assume such lonely, isolated men have always been around but the internet is now giving them a voice.

    In general, sex is more of an urgent physical need to men than it is to women. Women are generally hopeful that more will evolve from sex, so it really really isn't that wonderful to women to be seen just as someone who'll do for a shag by a guy who has tried to get other women on a given night but no joy and she's the last resort and he doesn't give a hoot about her (I know she goes ahead with it too, but that's because SHE isn't able to find intimacy either). And in those cases, the men who have trouble finding a woman... well they DO find a woman. Just not who they'd like. But if the point is that it's easier for unattractive women to get casual sex, well who are they having casual sex with? It ain't the adonises.

    There are women too who had a sh1t time in the dating department and were humiliated by men. This gets conveniently forgotten in the land of "Women have it better until ageing kicks in, and men have it worse". And there are plenty of lads who have no problems whatsoever in that department. There are women who don't end up with anyone because they're not considered attractive - shur the insults are well established for them: the cat ladies, spinsters, frigids, veil-less nuns etc. I think they are more able to make peace with it though, then their male counterparts are (although there is man-hating stuff online too). Probably because of, as mentioned, the more urgent physical need for sex that men tend to have. This isn't meant as a sexist comment - it's pretty much a given. All you have to do is consider e.g. who avails of prostitutes more.

    And I don't think anyone would disagree that birds of a feather flock together, that there are "leagues" if you want to be more clinical about it. Of course the fit, rugby playing law student will get the model, the overweight comic book guy will be with the overweight comic book girl, the science guy will be with the science girl, etc. And that's totally fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme



    So it's easy (and acceptable) to mock the incels but maybe we should start to ask why so many young men are so isolated and lonely these day?

    There was a thread earlier about the next suitable topic for Sjws to take up.

    There ya go... get your yellow vest on and march for the rights of Incels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    DS86DS wrote: »
    I think that this could be a blessing in disguise. The solution for such men, or indeed most men nowadays is to avoid Western women and find a nice Russian lady.

    Russian women are very traditional, love to cook, are stunningly beautiful and make immaculate attention to their makeup and clothing.

    They are also very ladylike and live to please their men.

    Compare this with Irish women like most modern Western women. They have brain rot from all of the chatterbox shoes they've been watching. They can't boil an egg. They are butch and dress like men. They get drunk, drink pints and swear like men.

    Such a turn off. Best to look for a traditional Russian woman. Dating a modern Western woman is like dating a man with a high pitched voice.

    What are Chatterbox shoes?

    Jimmy Nail wore crocodile shoes in the 80's. And sang about it. Is chatterbox shoes the updated version?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    anewme wrote: »
    What are Chatterbox shoes?

    Jimmy Nail wore crocodile shoes in the 80's. And sang about it. Is chatterbox shoes the updated version?

    Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc

    I think you'll find Opera is very high brow entertainment actually :D

    Also, I thought you don't like them too bright so that should suit you so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Chatterbox shows such as Opera....Loose Women etc


    Ahh but did you not say shoes..very different than shows?

    In your foaming haste.

    So you mean Opera,which one?

    Opera is always the sign of a cultured gentleman.

    Madame Butterfly or the Marriage of Figaro?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    anewme wrote: »
    Ahh but did you not say shoes?

    In your foaming haste.

    Probably getting notions from sex and the city again. They loved their shoes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Probably getting notions from sex and the city again. They loved their shoes

    They probably liked Opera too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I think you'll find Opera is very high brow entertainment actually :D

    Also, I thought you don't like them too bright so that should suit you so?

    Sorry I meant Oprah Winfrey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Sorry I meant Oprah Winfrey.

    the Opera Winfrey shoe.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    DS86DS wrote: »
    I think that this could be a blessing in disguise. The solution for such men, or indeed most men nowadays is to avoid Western women and find a nice Russian lady.

    Russian women are very traditional, love to cook, are stunningly beautiful and make immaculate attention to their makeup and clothing.

    They are also very ladylike and live to please their men.

    Compare this with Irish women like most modern Western women. They have brain rot from all of the chatterbox shows they've been watching. They can't boil an egg. They are butch and dress like men. They get drunk, drink pints and swear like men.

    Such a turn off. Best to look for a traditional Russian woman. Dating a modern Western woman is like dating a man with a high pitched voice.
    :rolleyes:
    So many generalisations in such a short post with a dollop of the grass in greener over in Russia. Why don't you book a flight to Moscow and see how you get on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    mzungu wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    So many generalisations in such a short post with a dollop of the grass in greener over in Russia.
    Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.

    But he'd best not sign up to Mastermind.

    The Opera Winfrey Shoe.

    Could be method in madness.

    Might like Russians as they can't spell in English?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Shur he knows that and doesn't care. He's only looking for a reaction.

    Yep, best ignored. His (or her, for all we know) attempts at getting a reaction are laughable


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Well.... yes M, but with a tiny bit of no. Years back when the PUA/Red pill thing started to gain traction(hello Scanlas *waves* :)) and I was helping mod Personal Issues, where it started to show up, I had an oul delve into the culture of it, to get some angle on it for myself. Now in fairness, that was then, so...

    What I found was yeah there was the well dodgy stuff, built on some obvious conclusions and facts, but with a hefty sprinkle of preselection and atomic powered Bro Science™. However there was also a major sense of self help type stuff for guys who felt left behind or outa step. Guys who essentially wanted help and couldn't find it anywhere, or found the usual "be yourself" advice the nonsense in practical terms that it is. Self improvement was a big thing. That a guy could improve his life and get more women. The former was heavily pushed as being more "real" in "frame"(like any group internal jargon is widespread).

    The MGTOW types I've seen take the same setup but have just given up. Ditto for the Incels, with added bile. Both take great comfort in backing up their collective worldview.

    TBH I had some respect for the PUA types. At least they were active, not passive and felt they could be better. Or at least trying.

    The bit that really rubbed me up the wrong way was how a few guys were exploiting these (mostly)young men by offering a "simple solution" and that's gotten worse since. Many of the young guys were/are clearly open to suggestion, not out of stupidity, but desperation and these "gurus" were milking them for attention and money. Given how popular it was and is, it also showed me how so many young guys do feel left behind. And given a fair chunk of the acceptable mainstream advice given is authored by women I could see how it would appeal to many.

    Interesting insight, Wibbs. But I do believe if somebody is out to blame women for their failures and whatnot the problem lies within and can't be blamed on society changing or any of that kind of stuff. It does come down to a lack of critical reflection. Look at a lot of those guys, really delve into it and there is a reason they gravitated towards movements like that in the first place. It is not because of a changing society that are single or can't find a date etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Yep, best ignored. His (or her, for all we know) attempts at getting a reaction are laughable

    This troll needs a Dictionary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    anewme wrote: »
    This troll needs a Dictionary.

    I'm not a troll. It's not my fault that men find older women unattractive. The French guy in the article was just been honest about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    DS86DS wrote: »
    I'm not a troll. It's not my fault that men find older women unattractive. The French guy in the article was just been honest about it.

    *being


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    *being

    The Grammar Nazis are here to the rescue. :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    DS86DS wrote: »
    The Grammar Nazis are here to the rescue. :rolleyes:

    Hard to resist when you quoted a post about you needing a dictionary with yet another mistake.

    Carry on with your laughable attempts at trolling!


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