The Munster January Sales Thread AKA Munster V Leinster build up thread

stephen_n · 26-12-2018 8:53pm #1

So which players will we be sending down for Munster to run their eye over and covet?

Sirius Boner · 26-12-2018 8:54pm

stephen_n wrote: »

So which players will we be sending down for Munster to run their eye over and covet?

Maybe that fella, Timmy Furlong?...might be worth a shot down here

prawnsambo · 26-12-2018 9:05pm

On the basis that the kids got to play Connacht, I'd say their elders and betters will be sent south for the winter.

stephen_n · 26-12-2018 9:13pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

On the basis that the kids got to play Connacht, I'd say their elders and betters will be sent south for the winter.

I suppose we can mix and match with this and the Ulster game. But with two European games coming up some rest is required for the senior players.

26-12-2018 10:01pm

Will Connors has been wearing these in training all week

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stephen_n · 26-12-2018 10:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Will Connors has been wearing these in training all week

Did he leave anything in the dressing room?

26-12-2018 10:07pm

How many Leinster/Saffer players will Munster have in the 23?
Will the Munster fans have another massive meltdown after the match?
Will finally put to bed the old adage 'nobody beats Munster twice five times'?

These are the questions we need answered.

Dubinusa · 26-12-2018 10:11pm

Munster., funny. I hope for Carberry's sake he has a decent game. Otherwise we may end up seeing Frawley and Joe sitting in a cafe in D1.

thomond2006 · 26-12-2018 10:25pm

I'd go for:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, J Ryan, Kleyn, Beirne, POM, Cloete, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Scannell, Arnold, Conway, Haley

KOB, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Botha, Mathewson, Johnston, Sweetnam

Squidgy Black · 26-12-2018 10:45pm

I can't wait to see JVG's scouting report he sends back to SA after watching Ireland Leinster play.

stephen_n · 26-12-2018 10:53pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'd go for:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, J Ryan, Kleyn, Beirne, POM, Cloete, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Scannell, Arnold, Conway, Haley

KOB, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, Botha, Mathewson, Johnston, Sweetnam

Be a good team for the drive for 5

Zzippy · 26-12-2018 11:36pm

You know the Munster-Leinster rivalry is a shadow of times past when the MOLFs put far more effort into the Connacht build-up threads...

PTH2009 · 27-12-2018 12:08am

So this is going to the 2 full squads with the Internationals ???

Could be some game if so and there all on fire

Munster need a win badly but Leinster want the bragging rights

The Rape of Lucretia · 27-12-2018 12:18am

stephen_n wrote: »

So which players will we be sending down for Munster to run their eye over and covet?

Its more an investment in Leinster's own future to decide which ones we sub out to them.

When your riches are overflowing to the extent that you cannot give them all your prospects game time, its terrific to now have three developmental provinces to which to send them. If one player surpasses the ones you have kept in the main squad, or one in one of the satellites reaches a level higher than might have been expected and is of Leinster level again, then you bring them back to base.

The Leinster player development and succession planning machine has reached perfection now, and is the envy of every other rugby setup in the world.
A nod of thanks to the other three provinces, Munster included, for the part they play in facilitating this for Leinster is certainly in order.

durkadurka · 27-12-2018 1:02am

Red lemonade.

flatty · 27-12-2018 1:11am

As good a place as anywhere given the above, but can anyone see ulster becoming any kind of force again in the foreseeable future?
There's something rotten there that goes beyond the trial.

Kevski · 27-12-2018 1:19am

flatty wrote: »

As good a place as anywhere given the above, but can anyone see ulster becoming any kind of force again in the foreseeable future?
There's something rotten there that goes beyond the trial.

The Munster v Leinster buildup thread is as good a place as anywhere?

troyzer · 27-12-2018 1:56am

Leinster will probably go as full on as possible. I wonder who Joe is taking off the table though other than the obvious ones like Sexton and Furlong. They've both played a lot. Probably Toner as well, maybe Leavy. Actually, Furlong will probably need to play.

Here's my 23, I'm not confident at all though.

Byrne, Tracy, Porter, Maloney, Ryan, Ruddock, VdF, Conan, McGrath, Byrne, Lowe, O'Loughlin, Ringrose, Byrne, Kearney.

Dooley, Healy, Bent, Kearney, Doris/Deegan, JGP, Frawley, Kearney.

Burkie1203 · 27-12-2018 9:17am

troyzer wrote: »

Leinster will probably go as full on as possible. I wonder who Joe is taking off the table though other than the obvious ones like Sexton and Furlong. They've both played a lot. Probably Toner as well, maybe Leavy. Actually, Furlong will probably need to play.

Here's my 23, I'm not confident at all though.

Byrne, Tracy, Porter, Maloney, Ryan, Ruddock, VdF, Conan, McGrath, Byrne, Lowe, O'Loughlin, Ringrose, Byrne, Kearney.

Dooley, Healy, Bent, Kearney, Doris/Deegan, JGP, Frawley, Kearney.

Healy Cronin Furlong ryan toner Ruddock VDF Conan

McGrath Sexton Lowe ROL Ringrose Larmour Kearney

Byrne Tracy Porter Molony Leavy JGP Byrne Byrne

troyzer · 27-12-2018 1:25pm

Frank Murphy as ref? I smell a rat.

I'll never understand why the Unions don't swap referees for the derbies. Owens is calling the Cardiff game despite being from near Llanelli.

At least Munster won't have any excuses.

Heymans · 27-12-2018 2:08pm

It will be interesting to see who gets selected between Doris and Deegan this weekend. Whoever benches would want to put in a trojan performance otherwise they will be lining up to be farmed out to Munster/Ulster next season.

jacothelad · 27-12-2018 2:15pm

Heymans wrote: »

It will be interesting to see who gets selected between Doris and Deegan this weekend. Whoever benches would want to put in a trojan performance otherwise they will be lining up to be farmed out to Munster/Ulster next season.

It can't be Doris to Ulster. That's the name of Ethel's sister, the sub tea lady.....:D

Faugheen · 27-12-2018 2:40pm

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get Carbery v Byrne II.

We have to remember that we're in a World Cup year and we're still not particularly set at OH in case Sexton gets injured.

Looking forward to Ross making it 2-0 in terms of wins and MOTMs if that's the case :P

aloooof · 27-12-2018 3:01pm

troyzer wrote: »

Frank Murphy as ref? I smell a rat.

I'll never understand why the Unions don't swap referees for the derbies. Owens is calling the Cardiff game despite being from near Llanelli.

At least Munster won't have any excuses.

Calling for your own team's players to eye-gouge back last week, and casually questioning a ref's integrity this week. I wonder what next week will bring.

troyzer · 27-12-2018 3:08pm

aloooof wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Frank Murphy as ref? I smell a rat.

I'll never understand why the Unions don't swap referees for the derbies. Owens is calling the Cardiff game despite being from near Llanelli.

At least Munster won't have any excuses.

Calling for your own team's players to eye-gouge back last week, and casually questioning a ref's integrity this week. I wonder what next week will bring.

When did I do tell my team to eye-gouge?

As a general rule, a referee should never be given a game including their own union. This is standard in test rugby and in most domestic leagues. I don't know why we can't do it in the Pro14.

elliot_st · 27-12-2018 3:08pm

aloooof wrote: »

Calling for your own team's players to eye-gouge back last week, and casually questioning a ref's integrity this week. I wonder what next week will bring.

another Leinster win?

salmocab · 27-12-2018 3:12pm

I think Leinster will be closer to last weeks team with 3/4 changes and stronger for the following weeks visit of Ulster.

aloooof · 27-12-2018 3:14pm

troyzer wrote: »

When did I do tell my team to eye-gouge?

Here:

troyzer wrote: »

It's just part of the sport. Peter O'Mahony has built a career on constantly getting away with murder and he's brilliant for it.

You have to fight back. Maybe gouge someone in the ruck when the referee is facing the other way, cheeky knee in the ribs during a clear out.

It's awful that it's part of the game but if you're going to be subjected to it and the referee is doing nothing, then fit in or **** off.

Squidgy Black · 27-12-2018 3:18pm

This is a very disappointing build up thread.

Jump_In_Jack · 27-12-2018 3:21pm

What are the two best possible teams, taking into account current injury lists?

I think the strongest Munster could be in my opinion is as follows:
1. Kilcoyne, 2. Scannell, 3. Ryan,
4. Beirne, 5. Kleyn,
6. O’Mahony, 8. Stander, 7. O’Donnell,
9. Murray, 10. Carbery,
12. Scannell, 13. Taute,
11. Earls, 15. Conway, 14. Sweetnam.

16. O’Byrne, 17. Loughman, 18. Archer, 19. Holland, 20. Botha, 21. Mathewson, 22. Hanrahan, 23. Arnold.

Injured: Brian Scott (foot), James Cronin (leg), Jack O’Donoghue (knee), Dave O’Callaghan (foot).

The selection above would leave reserves as follows, by position:
1. Liam O’Connor, 2. Rhys Marshall/Mike Sherry, 3. Ciaran Parker,
4. Fineen Wycherley, 5. Darren O’Shea,
6. Seán O’Connor (A), 8. Gavin Coombes (A), 7. Chris Cloete/Conor Oliver,
9. Neil Cronin/Duncan Williams/James Hart, 10. Bill Johnston/Ian Keatley,
12. Tyler Bleyendaal/Dan Goggin, 13. Chris Farrell/Shane Daly (A),
11. Alex Wootton/Ronan O’Mahony, 15. Mike Haley, 14. Calvin Nash.

Either of Cloete or Haley are in with a shout to start but can’t see anyone else that’s borderline.

Could someone do a similar post for the Leinster squad please?
Cheers

Edit - Latest injury update 27th Dec that Hart, Marshall and Farrell will be reintegrated into team training this week so adding them to reserves as that sounds like they still won’t be selected for this weekend unless of an emergency.
Also updating above with (A) = Academy

troyzer · 27-12-2018 3:25pm

aloooof wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

When did I do tell my team to eye-gouge?

Here:

troyzer wrote: »

It's just part of the sport. Peter O'Mahony has built a career on constantly getting away with murder and he's brilliant for it.

You have to fight back. Maybe gouge someone in the ruck when the referee is facing the other way, cheeky knee in the ribs during a clear out.

It's awful that it's part of the game but if you're going to be subjected to it and the referee is doing nothing, then fit in or **** off.

That wasn't my team I was talking about.

And yeah, if you're going to be gouged and not protected by the referee, then you have to fight fire with fire.

aloooof · 27-12-2018 3:35pm

troyzer wrote: »

That wasn't my team I was talking about.

It was implicit.

troyzer wrote: »

And yeah, if you're going to be gouged and not protected by the referee, then you have to fight fire with fire.

No, you don't. There is literally no scenario where I'd be happy with a Munster player eye-gouging another player.

The fact you can't see this (pun intended) means I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this.

stephen_n · 27-12-2018 3:39pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This is a very disappointing build up thread.

Just goes to prove that Connacht are a more worthy adversary these days, even the build up is better.

MattD · 27-12-2018 3:41pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What are the two best possible teams, taking into account current injury lists?

I think the strongest Munster could be in my opinion is as follows:
1. Kilcoyne, 2. Scannell, 3. Ryan,
4. Beirne, 5. Kleyn,
6. O’Mahony, 8. Stander, 7. O’Donnell,
9. Murray, 10. Carbery,
12. Scannell, 13. Taute,
11. Earls, 15. Conway, 14. Sweetnam.

16. O’Byrne, 17. Loughman, 18. Archer, 19. Holland, 20. Botha, 21. Mathewson, 22. Hanrahan, 23. Arnold.

Injured: Brian Scott (foot), James Cronin (leg) Rhys Marshall (hamstring), Jack O’Donoghue (knee), Dave O’Callaghan (foot), James Hart (knee), Chris Farrell (thigh).

The selection above would leave reserves as follows, by position:
1. Liam O’Connor, 2. Mike Sherry, 3. Ciaran Parker,
4. Fineen Wycherley, 5. Darren O’Shea,
6. Seán O’Connor, 8. Gavin Coombes, 7. Chris Cloete/Conor Oliver
9. Neil Cronin/Duncan Williams, 10. Bill Johnston/Ian Keatley,
12. Tyler Bleyendaal, 13. Dan Goggin/Shane Daly,
11. Alex Wootton/Ronan O’Mahony, 15. Mike Haley, 14. Calvin Nash.

Either of Cloete or Haley are in with a shout to start but can’t see anyone else that’s borderline.

Could someone do a similar post for the Leinster squad please?
Cheers

Full strength 23:

Healy, Cronin, Furlong, Toner, Ryan, Ruddock, Van Der flier, Conan

McGrath, Sexton, Lowe, O'Loughlin, Ringrose, Larmour, R Kearney

B Byrne, E Byrne, Porter, Moloney, Leavy, JGP, R Byrne, A Byrne

Injured: J McGrath, S. O'Brien, Connors, Henshaw, Tomane, McFadden, B Daly.

Fardy not included due to Kolpak rules

Reserves:

Dooley, Tracy, Bent, M. Kearney, Fardy, Doris, Penney (a), Deegan
O'Sullivan (a), Frawley (a), D. Kearney, Reid, C O'Brien(a), J O'Brien(a), Keenan (a)

(a) denotes academy player

T Daly and Nagle on loan
N McCarthy signed for Munster next season

Think that's everyone and accurate...!

troyzer · 27-12-2018 3:46pm

aloooof wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

That wasn't my team I was talking about.

It was implicit.

troyzer wrote: »

And yeah, if you're going to be gouged and not protected by the referee, then you have to fight fire with fire.

No, you don't. There is literally no scenario where I'd be happy with a Munster player eye-gouging another player.

The fact you can't see this (pun intended) means I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this.

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

aloooof · 27-12-2018 3:49pm

troyzer wrote: »

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

I don't think you understand what implicit means.

troyzer · 27-12-2018 3:55pm

aloooof wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

I don't think you understand what implicit means.

I do understand what it means. I completely disagree that it was implied.

aloooof · 27-12-2018 4:06pm

troyzer wrote: »

I do understand what it means. I completely disagree that it was implied.

In which case, I don't think you understand what "you" means.

Sabre0001 · 27-12-2018 4:17pm

troyzer wrote: »

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

Bullllllls**t

flatty · 27-12-2018 4:26pm

Kevski wrote: »

The Munster v Leinster buildup thread is as good a place as anywhere?

Ye lads seem to be spending more time discussing connacht, ulster, referees and eye gouging, so as good a place as any.
I was also interested in a general, ie non biased perspective on it, so an ulster thread wouldn't be the best place.
I'm connacht first, Ireland second, so I suppose I'm looking at it from an Irish rugby point. Too parochial here I suspect.

Thrashssacre · 27-12-2018 4:40pm

Think we’re a long time off scenes like this at a leinster vs Munster game.

Clegg · 27-12-2018 4:46pm

Munster have been beaten down by all the years of failure. No point in belabouring that fact anymore. When Leinster play Munster I just expect us to win. It leads to pretty boring build up threads but what can you do.

stephen_n · 27-12-2018 5:53pm

troyzer wrote: »

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

was he really? I don’t think that is even remotely close to being true.

Also eye gouging was never acceptable in any days game. It’s probably the most unacceptable thing you can do in the game and always was. I’m not sure where you get the idea from that it was. Maybe you’re part of the games gone soft brigade, who think GBH should be allowed.

troyzer · 27-12-2018 6:26pm

stephen_n wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

It's not implicit at all. I'm a Leinster fan. That's pretty obvious from all of my posts. I think I even mentioned that fact in that thread. Munster are not my team.

Eye gouging is so, so scummy. But if it's being done to you and nobody is stopping it, I don't see what choice you have.

The Munster of old had complete dogs like Alan Quinlan constantly eye gouging people. And it was that level of dog which won trophies.

It's unacceptable in today's game but you have to have it in your arsenal if a game descends into a brawl.

was he really? I don’t think that is even remotely close to being true.

Also eye gouging was never acceptable in any days game. It’s probably the most unacceptable thing you can do in the game and always was. I’m not sure where you get the idea from that it was. Maybe you’re part of the games gone soft brigade, who think GBH should be allowed.

Nah, constantly eye gouging is a bit far. But there was one high profile instance and I don't think anyone will dispute that in general, Quinlan was a filthy player.

I don't think the game has gone soft at all. I think if anything it's gone harder but now it's less arbitrary and more skill based.

stephen_n · 27-12-2018 6:48pm

troyzer wrote: »

Nah, constantly eye gouging is a bit far. But there was one high profile instance and I don't think anyone will dispute that in general, Quinlan was a filthy player.

I don't think the game has gone soft at all. I think if anything it's gone harder but now it's less arbitrary and more skill based.

And yet your suggesting players should quite literally go an eye for an eye.

troyzer · 27-12-2018 6:51pm

stephen_n wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Nah, constantly eye gouging is a bit far. But there was one high profile instance and I don't think anyone will dispute that in general, Quinlan was a filthy player.

I don't think the game has gone soft at all. I think if anything it's gone harder but now it's less arbitrary and more skill based.

And yet your suggesting players should quite literally go an eye for an eye.

I don't think a few attempts to rough up Castres would have been unwarranted. I'm not the only person on boards or in general who thought they rolled over and didn't stand up for themselves.

stephen_n · 27-12-2018 6:55pm

troyzer wrote: »

I don't think a few attempts to rough up Castres would have been unwarranted. I'm not the only person on boards or in general who thought they rolled over and didn't stand up for themselves.

Yes but there is a massive difference between standing up and climbing into the gutter.

aloooof · 27-12-2018 6:55pm

troyzer wrote: »

I don't think a few attempts to rough up Castres would have been unwarranted. I'm not the only person on boards or in general who thought they rolled over and didn't stand up for themselves.

This is blindingly obvious but you can rough up / stand up for yourself without resorting to eye-gouging.

troyzer · 27-12-2018 6:57pm

aloooof wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I don't think a few attempts to rough up Castres would have been unwarranted. I'm not the only person on boards or in general who thought they rolled over and didn't stand up for themselves.

This is blindingly obvious but you can rough up / stand up for yourself without resorting to eye-gouging.

Fair enough, I'm willing to back down on that.

In any case, my point does stand. They were being absolutely battered and did nothing to stop it. The sanction for the eye gouge was laughably short as well. Castres got the last laugh.

Heymans · 27-12-2018 7:17pm

flatty wrote: »

Ye lads seem to be spending more time discussing connacht, ulster, referees and eye gouging, so as good a place as any.
I was also interested in a general, ie non biased perspective on it, so an ulster thread wouldn't be the best place.
I'm connacht first, Ireland second, so I suppose I'm looking at it from an Irish rugby point. Too parochial here I suspect.

Sounds like you're from a place akin to that cult down in Sallins co Kildare where they put themselves before their country instead of country first the honourable standpoint

thomond2006 · 27-12-2018 7:20pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cil7tOPh4qM

The Munster January Sales Thread AKA Munster V Leinster build up thread

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