What was that about in strokestown?

Neddyusa · 17-12-2018 12:21pm

Caranica wrote: »

A lot more information on the financial situation that led to the eviction in this article

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigate-dissident-links-to-predawn-attack-at-repossessed-house-37632029.html

Thanks for that.
Gives a totally different perspective to the story hearing those background details and hard to have as much sympathy for the farmer.
I still don't agree with the methods used by the bank though. I'd like to hear why the family home couldn't have been treated separately to the land.

In the bigger picture I agree that you should always pay your debts. But unfortunately, the banks lost all moral authority on that when the ECB decided in 2008 that every tax payer and our children would have to pay the banks debts for them when they went bust.

Odelay · 17-12-2018 12:30pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

It's it a bank though. It's a vulture fund. They seem to be completely unregulated and do what they like

They are regulated the same as a bank, only difference is they have the balls to do it.

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2018 12:31pm

Odelay wrote: »

They are regulated the same as a bank, only difference is they have the balls to do it.

so theyre not really regulated very well at all

Odelay · 17-12-2018 12:32pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so theyre not really regulated very well at all

Sigh....

Wanderer78 · 17-12-2018 12:35pm

Odelay wrote: »

Sigh....

need a cuddle?

loveall · 17-12-2018 12:51pm

So, have I got this right then?

A guy in his forties chances his arm or farm by under declaring his tax. He gets a free 10 year ride.

Up to him if he walks out or gets lifted out.

He must already have some local opposition if he didn't pay his bills to either the pub or the quarry. Does that make the reported 70 or 20 men who came to his aid locals?

**** storm created to cover his arse after already getting us to pay for his day in the high court.

A painful re-opening of history for the locals. He gets no sympathy from here.

twin_beacon · 17-12-2018 1:44pm

Effects wrote: »

Read the thread. Owed close to half a million to Revenue due to under declaration of VAT.

seen the link alright. I've no sympathy for him at all.

_Brian · 17-12-2018 2:04pm

There’s a load of anti establishment nut jobs all over this on social media.

To me it’s an embarrassment to be fighting this mans corner.

I think of all the decent farmers with their back to the wall renegotiating overdrafts to try and cover their arse to keep the show on the road and bills paid.
Situations like this where blatant revenue fraud and racking up bills with local suppliers leads to eviction should never be heard of never mind supported.

walshb · 17-12-2018 3:20pm

And again people looking to blame everyone else for their own situations and own issues.....the world is foooked....

Really goes to show how thin the line is between order and chaos/anarchy

These issues/attacks need to be dealt with extremely seriously in the courts.....

A strong message, for the good of society needs to be sent out that you cannot become some sort of mercenary/thug just because you may feel aggrieved.

Mad_maxx · 17-12-2018 3:24pm

_Brian wrote: »

There’s a load of anti establishment nut jobs all over this on social media.

To me it’s an embarrassment to be fighting this mans corner.

I think of all the decent farmers with their back to the wall renegotiating overdrafts to try and cover their arse to keep the show on the road and bills paid.
Situations like this where blatant revenue fraud and racking up bills with local suppliers leads to eviction should never be heard of never mind supported.

Many of the Facebook etc mob who are harking back to Michael davitt etc would nationalise every acre of land in the country in the morning.

twin_beacon · 17-12-2018 4:56pm

the facebook mobs are just looking for a reason to bash the government. They want loads of free services, yet are willing to defend a man that owes 400k in unpaid taxes.....

Odelay · 17-12-2018 5:09pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

the facebook mobs are just looking for a reason to bash the government. They want loads of free services, yet are willing to defend a man that owes 400k in unpaid taxes.....

You got it in one. Expect everything to be paid for from the money tree at the back of the Dail.

kerryjack · 17-12-2018 6:25pm

I think its the fact that the banks are hireing english yobs or power junkies to take possession of the land thats getting the graw up on the people.

vicwatson · 17-12-2018 6:33pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

the facebook mobs are just looking for a reason to bash the government. They want loads of free services, yet are willing to defend a man that owes 400k in unpaid taxes.....

kerryjack wrote: »

I think its the fact that the banks are hireing english yobs or power junkies to take possession of the land thats getting the graw up on the people.

Agree with both of these

Buford T. Justice XIX · 17-12-2018 7:21pm

Neddyusa wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Gives a totally different perspective to the story hearing those background details and hard to have as much sympathy for the farmer.
I still don't agree with the methods used by the bank though. I'd like to hear why the family home couldn't have been treated separately to the land.

In the bigger picture I agree that you should always pay your debts. But unfortunately, the banks lost all moral authority on that when the ECB decided in 2008 that every tax payer and our children would have to pay the banks debts for them when they went bust.

I'd be assuming that the farm and house would be on the one folio and difficult, under these circumstances anyway, to separate out for the sale of the land only.

It would be difficult to find a buyer to buy the land with the previous owner looking in over the ditch, I imagine.

Say my name · 17-12-2018 7:29pm

Top of the list.

2015.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmers-feature-on-2015-revenue-tax-defaulters-list/

https://studylib.net/doc/8365241/defaulters-list-2011--june-2011----1st-quarter

Terrible situation all round.
Three elderly/middle aged siblings living together on a farm and apparently letting things get way out of hand.
Living in an isolated spot with their mother dying in 2015. I don't know about the other two but it seems the issue was with Anthony who never seemingly paid any tax in his life and the rest is recent history.
The security firm have northern links and seemingly do jobs for the U.N. hiring out employees from Nepal.

splinter65 · 17-12-2018 7:38pm

kerryjack wrote: »

I think its the fact that the banks are hireing english yobs or power junkies to take possession of the land thats getting the graw up on the people.

That’s only the icing on the cake. They follow SF to the letter of the law. They believe that there’s 10 or maybe 20 multi billionaires in the country who should be shouldering the entire tax burden at a rate of 90c on the Euro.
Then no one else needs to pay tax or vat.
They don’t grasp the connection between tax and public services either. What we need to be alarmed about is that they’ve a horrible propensity to violence and also that there’s so many of them and not being sexist but young mothers of children too.

longgonesilver · 17-12-2018 7:57pm

Two of the family are back in the house.

GrasstoMilk · 17-12-2018 7:58pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1217/1017554-roscommon-gardai-investigation/

Joe Daly · 17-12-2018 8:35pm

Its sad Christmas week when life comes to this, people are under fierce pressure this year didn't help things weather wise you are only putting off the enevitable with banks, revenue, when you don't hit it head on .

Odelay · 17-12-2018 8:37pm

Joe Daly wrote: »

Its sad Christmas week when life comes to this, people are under fierce pressure this year didn't help things weather wise you are only putting off the enevitable with banks, revenue, when you don't hit it head on .

His been under pressure since 1995.

Cattlepen · 17-12-2018 8:38pm

Where is the info coming from that the security firm were UVF?
Had they high viz jackets with UVF on them or something? I wouldn’t think so.
I’d say it’s just spin to get public support on the evicted families side. Maybe there’s a plantation of Roscommon about to happenðŸ™„

J.O. Farmer · 17-12-2018 9:17pm

Cattlepen wrote: »

Where is the info coming from that the security firm were UVF?
Had they high viz jackets with UVF on them or something? I wouldn’t think so.
I’d say it’s just spin to get public support on the evicted families side. Maybe there’s a plantation of Roscommon about to happenðŸ™„

I believe there's a video from the eviction with one of the heavies with a northern accent claiming to be British. Maybe not uvf but if he'd claimed to be Irish people would say it's the IRA.

Anyway there's something in it. There's been bigger better farms repossessed and we've not seen the likes of this. The gardaí are looking into dissident paramilitary involvement and it seems it was carefully planned. It wasn't just a few lads down the local co-op deciding to call up with baseball bats.

Nothing more sure to fire up dissident republicans than self proclaimed brits evicting Irish farmers.

BarryD2 · 17-12-2018 9:23pm

kerryjack wrote: »

I think its the fact that the banks are hireing english yobs or power junkies to take possession of the land thats getting the graw up on the people.

Maybe but who would you suggest they get then? Fact is that people have to be brought in from outside the area for that sort of work. And you'd need to be thick skinned and able to look after yerself in that line of work too.

Next time you hear people whining why the banks won't lend them money or whining about high interest rates, think back to this. How can anyone run a business like a bank, lending money, if there is no ultimate recourse if people won't pay??

oceanman · 17-12-2018 10:26pm

I just don't get how banks can bring in these "rent a mob" tugs to do their dirty work, surely this should be all properly regulated ?

Muckit · 17-12-2018 10:28pm

oceanman wrote: »

I just don't get how banks can bring in these "rent a mob" tugs to do their dirty work, surely this should be all properly regulated ?

Yeah like the banks back in 2008 and the way they were giving out loans

walshb · 17-12-2018 10:31pm

oceanman wrote: »

I just don't get how banks can bring in these "rent a mob" tugs to do their dirty work, surely this should be all properly regulated ?

Maybe, but the law still needs a physical presence and deterrent and enforcement...

Otherwise how would some of these laws be enforced?

oceanman · 17-12-2018 10:56pm

walshb wrote: »

Maybe, but the law still needs a physical presence and deterrent and enforcement...

Otherwise how would some of these laws be enforced?

by people who are regulated or accountable ……...what do we know about any of these people or their background,why are they not subject to garda checks ect?

theoneeyedman · 17-12-2018 10:56pm

Tensions brewing in the area again tonight.

The 'security firm' are back in the area... Reports saying they are stationed (blockading according to some reports) at either end of the through road where the home is situated, with up to 100 neighbours standing around the home in question. Pretty clear that these guys have no good business in this area in the dark of night, whatever the rights and wrongs of what's happened last week there is an obvious public order 'event' brewing and these lads should be moved on.

Long night ahead in Strokestown....

Reggie. · 17-12-2018 11:01pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Tensions brewing in the area again tonight.

The 'security firm' are back in the area... Reports saying they are stationed (blockading according to some reports) at either end of the through road where the home is situated, with up to 100 neighbours standing around the home in question. Pretty clear that these guys have no good business in this area in the dark of night, whatever the rights and wrongs of what's happened last week there is an obvious public order 'event' brewing and these lads should be moved on.

Long night ahead in Strokestown....

Ohhh interesting

Cattlepen · 17-12-2018 11:04pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Tensions brewing in the area again tonight.

The 'security firm' are back in the area... Reports saying they are stationed (blockading according to some reports) at either end of the through road where the home is situated, with up to 100 neighbours standing around the home in question. Pretty clear that these guys have no good business in this area in the dark of night, whatever the rights and wrongs of what's happened last week there is an obvious public order 'event' brewing and these lads should be moved on.

Long night ahead in Strokestown....

Sounds like pretty serious stuff so. Wouldn’t like to be in the middle of that mess. Security going to end up getting their s**te kicked by the sound s of it if they are blockading a public road

Reggie. · 17-12-2018 11:07pm

Cattlepen wrote: »

Sounds like pretty serious stuff so. Wouldn’t like to be in the middle of that mess. Security going to end up getting their s**te kicked by the sound s of it if they are blockading a public road

Looking for trouble of you ask me

patsy_mccabe · 17-12-2018 11:07pm

.....and to think they had an International Poetry competition there on the 7th Dec.

https://twitter.com/strokestownpoem?lang=en

Say my name · 17-12-2018 11:10pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Ohhh interesting

Is that the phone ringing?

Reggie. · 17-12-2018 11:12pm

Say my name wrote: »

Is that the phone ringing?

I'd say the ARU are nearby alright. We can't get involved

loveall · 17-12-2018 11:17pm

so we're going to go and kick the ****e out of these guys, doing their job, for a man that put himself alone (alone from either side) in the position he's in?

I can't see this as a step forward, only a step into the hands of the powers that be that have been winding both sides up with inaccurate reporting and a few well placed and well publicised.

Unfortunate (maybe) was y'man's mention of being a brit, but then maybe he'd just lost his dog.

Cattlepen · 17-12-2018 11:20pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Looking for trouble of you ask me

I agree. As the song says “know when to walk away and know when to run”

Cattlepen · 17-12-2018 11:23pm

loveall wrote: »

so we're going to go and kick the ****e out of these guys, doing their job, for a man that put himself alone (alone from either side) in the position he's in?

I can't see this as a step forward, only a step into the hands of the powers that be that have been winding both sides up with inaccurate reporting and a few well placed and well publicised.

Unfortunate (maybe) was y'man's mention of being a brit, but then maybe he'd just lost his dog.

I wasn’t condoning it. It would just seem like the inevitable conclusion to me. It could end up like a scene outa braveheart yet

Say my name · 17-12-2018 11:27pm

loveall wrote: »

so we're going to go and kick the ****e out of these guys, doing their job, for a man that put himself alone (alone from either side) in the position he's in?

I can't see this as a step forward, only a step into the hands of the powers that be that have been winding both sides up with inaccurate reporting and a few well placed and well publicised.

Unfortunate (maybe) was y'man's mention of being a brit, but then maybe he'd just lost his dog.

Tis the internet age now.

It was interesting looking at the profiles of the facebook commentators on the various farming groups.
At the start of the rabble they had all chucky all La profiles before more suckers got pulled in.

It's a Sinn Fein miracle. Vote Sinn Fein.

kippy · 17-12-2018 11:27pm

Crazy stuff altogether. Someone is going to get seriously hurt or worse in this mess.

At the end of the day these people have not engaged with the banks, have debts to revenue and have defaulted on debts to local business.
If everyone were to behave in the manner that they have, the country would fall to pieces in no time.
The very end of the eviction process is what is happening now and unfortunately there are plenty who can not see why this has to happen.

loveall · 17-12-2018 11:36pm

Say my name wrote: »

Tis the internet age now.

It was interesting looking at the profiles of the facebook commentators on the various farming groups.
At the start of the rabble they had all chucky all La profiles before more suckers got pulled in.

It's a Sinn Fein miracle. Vote Sinn Fein.

That's the problem. I don't think our day has come yet, there's better ways than the crap people are being fed. Just playing into someones agenda.

Say my name · 17-12-2018 11:42pm

loveall wrote: »

That's the problem. I don't think our day has come yet, there's better ways than the crap people are being fed. Just playing into someones agenda.

Our day will come though....

I've the sprong cleaned up and new wellies bought.

loveall · 17-12-2018 11:46pm

Say my name wrote: »

Our day will come though....

I've the sprong cleaned up and new wellies bought.

Serious chuckle at that.

TITANIUM. · 17-12-2018 11:47pm

Say my name wrote: »

Our day will come though....

I've the sprong cleaned up and new wellies bought.

And I've 2 trailer loads of turf soaking in kerosene. I'll bring the old wellies tho.

Mooooo · 17-12-2018 11:53pm

Say my name wrote: »

Our day will come though....

I've the sprong cleaned up and new wellies bought.

What about the pike?

tayto lover · 17-12-2018 11:54pm

Violence is not the way to sort this out.
Neither side steeped in glory in this event.

If I don't pay my mortgage I'd expect to get turfed out of my house although I wouldn't like a shower of Loyalists thugs coming down to do it.

Say my name · 17-12-2018 11:55pm

Mooooo wrote: »

What about the pike?

No time for fishing.... FFS!!

wrangler · 18-12-2018 12:00am

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tayto lover wrote: »

Violence is not the way to sort this out.
Neither side steeped in glory in this event.

If I don't pay my mortgage I'd expect to get turfed out of my house although I wouldn't like a shower of Loyalists thugs coming down to do it.

I presume you'd leave, you wouldn't need to be turfed out

loveall · 18-12-2018 12:00am

tayto lover wrote: »

Violence is not the way to sort this out.
Neither side steeped in glory in this event.

If I don't pay my mortgage I'd expect to get turfed out of my house although I wouldn't like a shower of Loyalists thugs coming down to do it.

Sounds like you'd have the decency to walk away when you should. None of us would shift for no one if we didn't want to. Who's going to reap the benefits of this? I didn't pick the security guys and neither did you.

Me tinks we're being played.

Headin for a pint. Good luck lads

LawBoy2018 · 18-12-2018 12:31am

There are several reasons why this incident has attracted such a strong reaction from the public, but I think everyone is in agreement that the manner in which this family were evicted from their home is unacceptable.

As a country, did we really want to accept what happened in Strokestown as precedent for the evictions in the future? Where would it end?

To be raised in a country whereby an Garda Siochana are the main protectors in society, only to see them watch on while 3 elderly individuals are dragged from their home in rural Ireland under an unlawful court order from the Circuit Court? To watch on while a retired Garda member is dragged to the ground and assaulted by KBC's northern mercenaries?

The family weren't even granted the common decency to gather their belongings before they were thrown out of the house, and it was reported today that they were still in the same clothes that they were wearing the day of the eviction.

What was that about in strokestown?

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