What was that about in strokestown?

Brown Podzol

kowtow wrote: »

IIRC it was not the quality of the collateral, but rather the quality of mercy which got him off the hook.

" The bond specified only a pound of flesh, she maintains, but "no jot of blood." Shylock may be demonic but he can't perform miracles; Portia's clever piece of legal hairsplitting carries the day."

A good solicitor.

walshb

Have SF come out yet to condemn the vigilantism, or are they all on the angle of the thuggish bailiffs?

sparksfly

walshb wrote: »

Have SF come out yet to condemn the vigilantism, or are they all on the angle of the thuggish bailiffs?

The latter. Varadkar pulled up Doherty on that very point.

charlie14

runawaybishop wrote: »

They are vetted and licensed to operate in Northern Ireland by the SIA . They cannot, under current requirements, be licensed here as they are not resident.

Nothing I have seen shows them operating like scum in the Roscommon eviction. I think people just hate then because they are British, which is a bit pathetic.

I do agree that it would be better if the eviction was conducted by licensed individuals, but it was overseen by the gardai.

I have seen nothing to show they were individually licensed to operate in Northern Ireland, but even if they were they were not licensed to operate here, nor would they be for obvious reasons if they are not residents of the RoI.

The fact they were not, nor could they be,licensed or vetted here yet were under an Garda Siochana protection only added insult to injury imo.


All we know about them is that they identified themselves as British, or at least the one that identified as that did so in a broad Northern Ireland accent, so for me at least they were scum of the variety that vetting laws and licensing were introduced here to ensure they could not operate in the are of private security.

cameramonkey

walshb wrote: »

Have SF come out yet to condemn the vigilantism, or are they all on the angle of the thuggish bailiffs?

Have FG come out yet to condemn the Loyalist, or are they all on the angle of the late night visitors?

BENDYBINN

Sin Féin have shown their true colors on this........absolute disgrace of a party
A cancer on our country.

walshb

sparksfly wrote: »

The latter. Varadkar pulled up Doherty on that very point.

Yes, I read that...

This kind of reminds me of the water protesters who were openly breaking the law and intimidating workers going about their business, and screaming g and shouting about assault and thuggery because the Gardaí were doing their job and enforcing the law using reasonable force...

charlie14

sparksfly wrote: »

The latter. Varadkar pulled up Doherty on that very point.

Heard Charlie Flanagan on radio attempting to labour the same point while at the same time running around the house in an effort to avoid having to say anything about the gang that carried out the eviction or that they did not conform to even the basic requirement of pub security personnel in the state.

pablo128

charlie14 wrote: »

Heard Charlie Flanagan on radio attempting to labour the same point while at the same time running around the house in an effort to avoid having to say anything about the gang that carried out the eviction or that they did not conform to even the basic requirement of pub security personnel in the state.

Charlie you already know from the other thread that these security lads don't need to be licenced to carry out an eviction. It is acknowledged by the state in fact, as they are seeing what they can do to close the loop holes. But at the moment it is perfectly legal and above board to use these guys.

cameramonkey

Are these the lads that Leo was talking about with the balaclavas?

Muckit

pablo128 wrote: »

It might be easier to source a baseball bat than a farm loan in that area if it keeps up....

That could only be a good thing.

charlie14

pablo128 wrote: »

Charlie you already know from the other thread that these security lads don't need to be licenced to carry out an eviction. It is acknowledged by the state in fact, as they are seeing what they can do to close the loop holes. But at the moment it is perfectly legal and above board to use these guys.

From listening to Charlie Flanagan, it seemed from his evasion his priority has more to do with having a cut at SF (which for the thousand time on Boards I am not a supporter off or ever have been), than closing a legal loop hole which I would see as a priority for a minister for justice.

runawaybishop

charlie14 wrote: »

All we know about them is that they identified themselves as British, or at least the one that identified as that did so in a broad Northern Ireland accent, so for me at least they were scum of the variety that vetting laws and licensing were introduced here to ensure they could not operate in the are of private security.

He said he was British in response to someone saying he should be ashamed to be Irish. Apparently he also had a Protestant mustache!

I don't understand why people from Northern Ireland are scum, seems a bit harsh like. From the videos posted they didn't do anything to deserve being called thugs or bullies.

tretorn

runawaybishop wrote: »

He said he was British in response to someone saying he should be ashamed to be Irish. Apparently he also had a Protestant mustache!

I don't understand why people from Northern Ireland are scum, seems a bit harsh like. From the videos posted they didn't do anything to deserve being called thugs or bullies.

I agree, I just saw them ushering the people who refused to leave the property out the gate. They were very careful not to manhandle anyone and in any event if those people had obeyed the court order none of this would have happened.

There is about 300,000 owed to KBC, was this money borrowed to buy buy to let properties or how on earth was this amount of money spent. How could so much have been owed to Revenue, the penalties imposed were huge so Revenue must have been waiting a while for their money. A landrover was bought too and there is money owed on that, lets all treat ourselves to new landrovers for Xmas and dont bother paying back the car loan.

Two of the three occupants of the house are now back beside the fire, why on earth should the rest of us forgo the nice things in life or continue to pay our mortgages, we are the stupid mugs.

cameramonkey

tretorn wrote: »

There is about 300,000 owed to KBC, .

Have you a link?

tretorn

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/roscommon-eviction-kbc-seeking-debt-repayment-since-2009-1.3736042

I fancy a new volvo jeep for Christmas, I must see about getting a car finance loan.

Do these financial institutions not have a way of checking judgments, one of the men living in the house concerned has a lot of debts outstanding.

kippy

cameramonkey wrote: »

Have you a link?

I'm not sure if the figure has been mentioned online.

I don't really get the relevance though. Whether it was 30k, or 300k the same principles apply.

tretorn

I am presuming KBC wouldnt go to Court to have someone evicted if the loan wasnt fairly big, they would have to spend a lot of money getting Court judgment so the amount outstanding would have to be worth their while.

tayto lover

My sympathy for this "poor" farmer has evaporated.
He feckin' paid nobody it seems, banks or locals

tretorn

I suppose though there were siblings living in the house too. They may not have borrowed any money at all.

The house must have belonged to the person who took out the loans though because presumably you couldnt evict joint owners if just one person was overloaded with debt.

eagle eye

tayto lover wrote:

My sympathy for this "poor" farmer has evaporated. He feckin' paid nobody it seems, banks or locals

Not many have sympathy for him.

The big story here is bringing loyalist thugs down from Northern Ireland to carry out the eviction. The locals are irate over it and we'll they should be.

Dinzee Conlee

eagle eye wrote: »

Not many have sympathy for him.

The big story here is bringing loyalist thugs down from Northern Ireland to carry out the eviction. The locals are irate over it and we'll they should be.

Does anyone have any proof that they were loyalist?
The only thing anyone has said is that one of them had a northern accent?

charlie14

runawaybishop wrote: »

He said he was British in response to someone saying he should be ashamed to be Irish. Apparently he also had a Protestant mustache!

I don't understand why people from Northern Ireland are scum, seems a bit harsh like. From the videos posted they didn't do anything to deserve being called thugs or bullies.

He said he was British in a strong NI accent.
If you know anything about NI then the mustache was superfluous and the main reason for the escalation imho.

tretorn

They didnt behave like thugs as far as I can see.

They were there to take possession of the property and it was about time the whole charade was brought to an end. If it wasnt why should the rest of us do without landrovers that we cant afford.

I saw the security staff try to escort men off the property and the men refused to go. The Gardai didnt get involved, they couldnt because the security people were employed to carry out a legal eviction. Why are the Gardai getting stick over this, its as if they should have stepped in because this was an ex Garda being evicted, is there one law for ex Gardai and one for the rest of us who drive Nissan Micras.

tuxy

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Does anyone have any proof that they were loyalist?
The only thing anyone has said is that one of them had a northern accent?

They are retired british soldiers that worked in the North during the troubles. It was in the irish mirror today. Not a great source but they named the head of the security company so they must have some proof.
In the eviction video one of them with an Irish accent said he was british not Irish.

charlie14

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Does anyone have any proof that they were loyalist?
The only thing anyone has said is that one of them had a northern accent?

If he said he was British with a strong NI accent then the odds of him not being would be pretty large I imagine

Dinzee Conlee

tuxy wrote: »

They are retired british soldiers that worked in the North during the troubles. It was in the irish mirror today. Not a great source but they named the head of the security company so they must have some proof.
In the eviction video one of them with an Irish accent said he was british not Irish.

Not a great source, but who knows...

Interesting the way some people on here think anyone with a northern accent are scum... and those with moustaches are worse again...

eagle eye

Dinzee Conlee wrote:

Not a great source, but who knows...
Interesting the way some people on here think anyone with a northern accent are scum... and those with moustaches are worse again...

What about the retired Garda and his claim that he was punched many times and had teeth knocked out?

Dinzee Conlee

eagle eye wrote: »

What about the retired Garda and his claim that he was punched many times and had teeth knocked out?

This retired guard - was he there when the Gardaí were there?

tuxy

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

This retired guard - was he there when the Gardaí were there?

Yes