Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

malinheader · 02-12-2018 9:21am

suicide_circus wrote: »

a colleague's son was beaten up and robbed by these people last night.

Will you please retract your post for the sake of diversity.

enricoh · 02-12-2018 10:42am

Still no sign of any cops at the train station on a Friday n Saturday night i take it?
Less hassle rigging up a checkpoint n doing a few people for no tax. Whats a few muggings and assaults anyway!

_Kaiser_ · 02-12-2018 10:55am

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

Wow! Excellent deflection. That's me all told.

It's the standard response (which I've read 5 times in this instance and can't make sense of) - rather than respond to the point, pull out the - ist/-phobe card.

The whole migration subject is one that needs a constructive national debate as a priority - I'd say it's right up there with health and housing - but so long as the mainstream media continue to ignore the growing issues (except to attack those with concerns or do puff pieces on the 'new Irish') and the politicians are made up of virtue signalling EU sycophants, this problem will continue to grow.

Migration can be a valuable and positive asset to a country - not just economically but socially (as we saw in the late 90s) - but when you simply import thousands of people from the third world who have no skills and whose cultural and/or religious beliefs and practises are incompatible with a secular, socially liberal first world country it's inevitable that there will be serious issues unless you take steps to address those in advance.

But when you can't even have the conversation without the "look how progressive I am - click like" types screaming racist, two things will happen.

First, as above the problems like those described in this thread will continue to worsen, and secondly the native population who are living through this will harden their attitudes towards migrants in general and start to look towards those who promise to put their communities first - which will ultimately give rise to ACTUAL right wing extremists (as opposed to the current tactic of denouncing anyone who even questions this topic as such).

Unless we collectively want to see that happen in Ireland (and we're firmly on course for it as we've seen happen elsewhere in Europe), then it's time to start seriously discussing how we want (because it is still our choice regardless of what the EU might want) to deal with this.

suicide_circus · 02-12-2018 11:41am

the way we repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours is really amazing.

_Kaiser_ · 02-12-2018 11:56am

suicide_circus wrote: »

the way we repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours is really amazing.

That's true too.. We seem to slavishly copy policy and the mistakes of others or give it enough of an "Irish twist" that it actually makes things even worse!

Wibbs · 02-12-2018 11:59am

suicide_circus wrote: »

the way we repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours is really amazing.

It truly boggles the mind SC. I could understand if this was a new running first time social experiment, but it's not. Every single EU nation has suffered the consequences of implementing this "multiculturalism" politic and over a couple of generations with it. It has done few favours for both the locals and the incoming people, especially the second and third generations.

Ireland had avoided this for a few reasons. For a start we had been dirt poor so only genuine asylum seekers and refugees tended to show up here(I knew one family of the former growing up). The "Celtic Tiger" changed that, especially when we were seen as a soft target. We might have headed it off then, but didn't. Our governments of all political stripes have two tendencies; copy whatever the UK and latterly the EU does, and be reactive, rather than proactive. These "gangs of Balbriggan" stem from those Celtic Tiger days, the first generation born here.

And still the muppets in power push for more of the same. You really couldn't make this nonsense up. Well I suppose you can, they did. Though I reckon much of it is down to those in power here only encounter these issues by remote control, it never directly impacts their lives. When you have asylum centres dropped into communities with zero consultation with the locals that tells you all you need to hear. The owners of the properties are happy out with their big cheques of course.

And like _Kaiser_ the more this goes on and is wilfully ignored or angrily dismissed the more frustration and anger on the ground will rise and not just among the native Irish people, the immigrant population will also suffer, again as we've seen time and bloody time again elsewhere.

yew_tree · 02-12-2018 12:13pm

Wow....why is this not getting national attention? It’s more serious than some of the stuff Joe Duffy and his listeners do be whining about.

We need a total re jig of the justice system and policing in this country. Zero tolerance....it’s unusual that one feels safer riding the subway in a huge metropolos like NYC than in small place like Dublin....surly we can fix our problems much easier.

_Kaiser_ · 02-12-2018 12:20pm

enricoh wrote: »

Still no sign of any cops at the train station on a Friday n Saturday night i take it?
Less hassle rigging up a checkpoint n doing a few people for no tax. Whats a few muggings and assaults anyway!

To be fair to AGS in this instance, the cries of "police brutality", "racist-motivated targeting" etc would be deafening. That and AGS can't even deal with zombified junkies in the city, let alone dozens of aggressive teens who would have to be treated as minors under the law if they even get to a court room.

The problems here are our piss-poor justice system, and a society that either largely shouts in defence of these "poor misunderstood migrants" :rolleyes: or are paralysed to speak out for fear of being branded a racist - and in a world where online Twitter witch hunts have real repercussions on people's livelihoods and how they're perceived, can you really blame them?

suicide_circus · 02-12-2018 12:26pm

I know two families, from Rwanda and Bosnia, that came here in the 90s. A woman and her son (husband killed) from Rwanda and a couple and I think one baby from Bosnia. Genuine refugees who were taken in by the state, their air fares were paid by some charity or other if memory serves, as these people had little more than the clothes on their backs. I also dont think they chose where they were going but they settled and one family have since gone home.

No one in their right mind would have any kind of problem with this.

However, the influx which happened coincidentally around the time our economy took off, in which people, the majority of whom were blatant economic migrants abusing the asylum process were admitted to direct provision camps and were ghettoized while allowed to make endless appeals while putting down roots - this was and remains an absolute sh1tshow.

We don't even have a colonizers past like the UK/Belgium/Netherlands/France which would go some way to explaining the ambiguous status of immigrants. Everything the hand of government touches in ireland turns to manure. It's like the Midas touch but instead of gold, it's feces.

Joeseph Balls · 02-12-2018 12:46pm

Jeff2 wrote: »

The pictures of the messages on the phone should show who sent them.

It's an encrypted phone. They don't work like that

Og81 · 02-12-2018 12:49pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

It's an encrypted phone. They don't work like that

Yes but the pictures were taken under the encryption. Door was kicked in Slim had been on the phone he dumped it hadn’t locked it and the messages were still on the screen, ( u need to enter a code to use the pretty good privacy software) it showed the senders but according to court 3 names in the encro were new registered so they haven’t identified them yet.

Og81 · 02-12-2018 12:49pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

It's an encrypted phone. They don't work like that

Yes it does it comes in like an email with an address.

Joeseph Balls · 02-12-2018 12:57pm

Og81 wrote: »

Yes it does it comes in like an email with an address.

Yea but it dosnt pop up sent from Daniel k 0872xxxxxx like a normal phone. All you have is a username

Og81 · 02-12-2018 12:59pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Yea but it dosnt pop up sent from Daniel k 0872xxxxxx like a normal phone. All you have is a username

Yes but with the encryption keys starting to be broke (Secretblackmars isn’t) they will try to push for it now. They will never know the correct ID of 3 accounts newly set up for that purpose of just that conversation. Nor will encrypted messages be admissible in a court of law.

mynamejeff · 02-12-2018 1:18pm

enricoh wrote: »

Still no sign of any cops at the train station on a Friday n Saturday night i take it?
Less hassle rigging up a checkpoint n doing a few people for no tax. Whats a few muggings and assaults anyway!

they are too busy being racist against travellers homeless single mothers and left wing socialists

dont worry they will get around to being racist against blacks soon

Will I Am Not · 02-12-2018 1:49pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

To be fair to AGS in this instance, the cries of "police brutality", "racist-motivated targeting" etc would be deafening. That and AGS can't even deal with zombified junkies in the city, let alone dozens of aggressive teens who would have to be treated as minors under the law if they even get to a court room.

The problems here are our piss-poor justice system, and a society that either largely shouts in defence of these "poor misunderstood migrants" :rolleyes: or are paralysed to speak out for fear of being branded a racist - and in a world where online Twitter witch hunts have real repercussions on people's livelihoods and how they're perceived, can you really blame them?

This is the truth of it. The mindset of these teenagers is that they are being picked up purely because of their skin colour and not their behaviour.

P_1 · 02-12-2018 1:53pm

Wibbs wrote: »

It truly boggles the mind SC. I could understand if this was a new running first time social experiment, but it's not. Every single EU nation has suffered the consequences of implementing this "multiculturalism" politic and over a couple of generations with it. It has done few favours for both the locals and the incoming people, especially the second and third generations.

Ireland had avoided this for a few reasons. For a start we had been dirt poor so only genuine asylum seekers and refugees tended to show up here(I knew one family of the former growing up). The "Celtic Tiger" changed that, especially when we were seen as a soft target. We might have headed it off then, but didn't. Our governments of all political stripes have two tendencies; copy whatever the UK and latterly the EU does, and be reactive, rather than proactive. These "gangs of Balbriggan" stem from those Celtic Tiger days, the first generation born here.

And still the muppets in power push for more of the same. You really couldn't make this nonsense up. Well I suppose you can, they did. Though I reckon much of it is down to those in power here only encounter these issues by remote control, it never directly impacts their lives. When you have asylum centres dropped into communities with zero consultation with the locals that tells you all you need to hear. The owners of the properties are happy out with their big cheques of course.

And like _Kaiser_ the more this goes on and is wilfully ignored or angrily dismissed the more frustration and anger on the ground will rise and not just among the native Irish people, the immigrant population will also suffer, again as we've seen time and bloody time again elsewhere.

What would you advocate in its place W? How we currently process the applications of people claiming asylum is a shambles as is our way of creating instaghettos with the direct provision centers. It's no coincidence that balbriggan has become a poster child for racists everywhere given the fact that it's the nearest town to mosney

Will I Am Not · 02-12-2018 1:55pm

P_1 wrote: »

What would you advocate in its place W? How we currently process the applications of people claiming asylum is a shambles as is our way of creating instaghettos with the direct provision centers. It's no coincidence that balbriggan has become a poster child for racists everywhere given the fact that it's the nearest town to mosney

Mosney has nothing to do with it. Balbriggan and Mosney are just textbook locations for this experiment. The only coincidence is that there was an amenity like Mosney so close by.

P_1 · 02-12-2018 2:03pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Mosney has nothing to do with it. Balbriggan and Mosney are textbook locations for this experiment.

As in creating an instant ghetto? Yeah you're spot on there because the idiotic FF policy of basically dumping all asylum seekers there in 2003 has done exactly that. People are naturally going to settle in the nearest town once their claim is granted.

We need to massively shorten the time it takes to process asylum claims because dumping people in direct provision centers for years on end is only going to create more Balbriggans. This means more civil servants working in INIS

Will I Am Not · 02-12-2018 2:15pm

P_1 wrote: »

As in creating an instant ghetto? Yeah you're spot on there because the idiotic FF policy of basically dumping all asylum seekers there in 2003 has done exactly that. People are naturally going to settle in the nearest town once their claim is granted.

We need to massively shorten the time it takes to process asylum claims because dumping people in direct provision centers for years on end is only going to create more Balbriggans. This means more civil servants working in INIS

Located in the county of Dublin, property prices and transport links would ensure that Balbriggan would have been earmarked regardless of the existence of Mosney.

P_1 · 02-12-2018 2:27pm

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Located in the county of Dublin, property prices and transport links would ensure that Balbriggan would have been earmarked regardless of the existence of Mosney.

I think that's an over simplistic argument. There definitely was a "Boston for the Irish circa 1860" effect in attracting people from various African countries to Balbriggan at play here.

In effect it was the first experience of Ireland for the first generation (those who would have been in Mosney circa 2002). Combine that with a neglect in terms of putting in services in the town (the housing stock of the place was doubled between 2002 and 2008, yet no schools, shops etc were built at the same pace) and you have a classic blueprint for what's after happening to the place.

Sgt Hartman · 02-12-2018 2:53pm

It's just an utter embarrassment to us as a nation that a situation such as the one in Balbriggan was allowed to happen. We as a people and a country must be seen as an utter laughing stock to those African troublemakers. We are now stuck with a problem that we will never be able to get rid of.

The government and all the do-gooder morons out there who let this happen should be ashamed of themselves. RTE is just as complicit, they are perpetually shoving pro immigrant/asylum seeker propaganda in front of us while threatening us with fines and jail if we don't pay their licence fee.

Dyr · 02-12-2018 2:57pm

P_1 wrote: »

What would you advocate in its place W? How we currently process the applications of people claiming asylum is a shambles as is our way of creating instaghettos with the direct provision centers. It's no coincidence that balbriggan has become a poster child for racists everywhere given the fact that it's the nearest town to mosney

I dunno, a process thats spun out for years and years through appeals and then will result in you being allowed to stay regardless of the outcome is a pretty sweet deal from the applicants point of view.

P_1 · 02-12-2018 3:09pm

Bambi wrote: »

I dunno, a process thats spun out for years and years through appeals and then will result in you being allowed to stay regardless of the outcome is a pretty sweet deal from the applicants point of view.

Obviously nobody wants that. Contrary to what you might think being stuck languishing in a direct provision center isn't exactly all that great for the residents either.

We need to properly resource INIS. A decision on an asylum application should be made in weeks not years

suicide_circus · 02-12-2018 3:13pm

P_1 wrote: »

Obviously nobody wants that. Contrary to what you might think being stuck languishing in a direct provision center isn't exactly all that great for the residents either

then the question has to be asked, why didn't they leave? If they had the get-up-and-go to get the intercontinental airfare together while living under conditions so dangerous that they had to seek asylum, surely they could have made alternative arrangements rather than languishing under Paddy's jackboot?

Kintarō Hattori · 02-12-2018 3:20pm

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

It's just an utter embarrassment to us as a nation that a situation such as the one in Balbriggan was allowed to happen. We as a people and a country must be seen as an utter laughing stock to those African troublemakers. We are now stuck with a problem that we will never be able to get rid of.

The government and all the do-gooder morons out there who let this happen should be ashamed of themselves. RTE is just as complicit, they are perpetually shoving pro immigrant/asylum seeker propaganda in front of us while threatening us with fines and jail if we don't pay their licence fee.

Do you mind telling me what situation? Seriously, I'm living here 8 years next year and from all the talk on this thread you'd swear it was a warzone outside. I've yet to see any of this sh*te that is being bandied about this thread. As for estates that are like townships- really? I swear to feck- how many of you commenting on this thread have actually been to the town.
By no means am I saying it's Eden but it's certainly very very far from the picture that's being painted in this thread. It's no better or worse than many other areas in Dublin such as Tallaght, Blanchardstown etc.

suicide_circus · 02-12-2018 3:23pm

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Do you mind telling me what situation? Seriously, I'm living here 8 years next year and from all the talk on this thread you'd swear it was a warzone outside. I've yet to see any of this sh*te that is being bandied about this thread. As for estates that are like townships- really? I swear to feck- how many of you commenting on this thread have actually been to the town.
By no means am I saying it's Eden but it's certainly very very far from the picture that's being painted in this thread. It's no better or worse than many other areas in Dublin such as Tallaght, Blanchardstown etc.

the lads seem to be going to neighbouring areas for their fun; Rush, Lusk, Skerries etc

P_1 · 02-12-2018 3:24pm

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Do you mind telling me what situation? Seriously, I'm living here 8 years next year and from all the talk on this thread you'd swear it was a warzone outside. I've yet to see any of this sh*te that is being bandied about this thread. As for estates that are like townships- really? I swear to feck- how many of you commenting on this thread have actually been to the town.
By no means am I saying it's Eden but it's certainly very very far from the picture that's being painted in this thread. It's no better or worse than many other areas in Dublin such as Tallaght, Blanchardstown etc.

I do find it most ironic that so many people bemoaning the place have likely never stopped foot in the place

P_1 · 02-12-2018 3:29pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

then the question has to be asked, why didn't they leave? If they had the get-up-and-go to get the intercontinental airfare together while living under conditions so dangerous that they had to seek asylum, surely they could have made alternative arrangements rather than languishing under Paddy's jackboot?

Do you have the slightest clue how a Visa application works?

You're left without your travel documents (if you have any in the first place) for weeks on end while your application is being processed. Quite how you expect someone to hop on the next flight to Lagos without a passport is a peculiar skill. Perhaps you should sell training on it, you'd make a fortune.

Now if you want to play the uneducated, simplistic boorish card by all means fire ahead. Perhaps some of the adults might actually find a solution to the issue

suicide_circus · 02-12-2018 3:32pm

P_1 wrote: »

Now if you want to play the uneducated, simplistic boorish card by all means fire ahead. Perhaps some of the adults might actually find a solution to the issue

oh yeah, I'd say you'll have this cracked any minute.

also, boorish?

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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