Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Gravelly wrote: »

After what happened the ref that sent off the traveller last week, I wouldn't fancy reffing one of their matches.

Is that the ref that got attacked in the car park after a soccer match in athlone?

Gravelly wrote: »

Yes. He made the mistake of sending off a traveller. The relatives weren't happy, and just happened, by pure coincidence, to have come to the game armed with some of the usual traveller implements.

Jaysus,the mainstream media not reporting this? Surprise surprise

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes I get all that but noone is making any suggestions that do not involve cutting existing benefits that would rebound on existing children?

Because hitting them in their wallets is the only way to get them to make changes that are crucial for the betterment of their children and giving them a better future. Go to any country round the world and the universal belief is that education of children to give them a better future is the MOST important thing to raise any group out of poverty, be it from Africa to India to anywhere! Education is not a "Settled-Irish" thing...its a universally accepted truth and standard to almost every culture around the globe! Ya see pics of kids in Africa of "2 years ago these kids were staving...but now they have a school and so can read a write and get jobs to help their families and so uplift them out of poverty"

But then Travellers pull their kids out of school at 10, most likely because "everyone there is racist against me n me kids", just like their parents did......and then turn around and stamp their feet and claim racism when they cant get jobs (and its never there could have been a better candidate...oh no, perish the thought) when any person who finished their Junior Cert is better educated than them and probably a better fit for the role, with a better grasp of the word around them!

And probably as this is a cultural heritage thing, you are aiming too high in wanting them to change? what you call "the cycle" is their way of life for generations.

But change is the one major constant in life! Just look at the tech revolution in the past 30 years with the rise of smaller and smaller micro-processors and its effects on life and work.

Put it another way...few generations back weren't we locking unmarried mothers up in houses and forcing them to wash sheets for a few years....should we bring that back as keeping up with the "good o'l days" ? Or treating gay people like criminals? Both were fairly commonly upheld beliefs in Irish culture but were driven out as the people within Irish life saw it as scummy. Wheres that element within Traveller culture? Or do they all hold to the belief that having their kids be massively uneducated and poorly equipped for life is a good thing? Or marrying girls off at 14 or 15 is fine (but also illegal in this state..and you cant hand wave away with "culture")?

Any changes would have to be subtle and not trying to make them conform to "our" way of life. It seems as if folk are expecting them to stop being Travellers? And current ideas are clearly not working.

Their culture has to be respected? Accepted? Deal within it? You will never get them to act as if they were not Travellers.

Dunno about "culture"...but would like them to obey all the rules of law for this land. Or even just respect Irish culture.

Gravelly wrote: »

Yes. He made the mistake of sending off a traveller. The relatives weren't happy, and just happened, by pure coincidence, to have come to the game armed with some of the usual traveller implements.

Any links for this btw?

Kaysen Vast Blueberry wrote: »

I assume you mean like settled people do !!!!

If memory serves, the hutches and kinahans who happen to be driving around in flash cars with guns in them and shooting innocent people aren't travellers;)

Do the hutches and Kinahans have a taxpayer-funded quango disseminating positive propaganda about them?
Do the hutches and kinahans have special ethnic status?
Do the hutches and kinihans get special grants for education and training above ordinary people?
Do the hutches and kinihans get special housing with extra parking for all their flash cars and room for a caravan?

nice_guy80 wrote: »

That's actually not true

What's not true?

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Was just about to ask the same. Hadn't heard any links to travellers in that incident until reading it here. Anyone know any more?

The people involved are from a very well known family who are involved in a long-running feud in Mullingar. The leader of the incident is on bail for very serious charges from another incident.

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Would you have to shout into her arsė?

I was under the impression the shouting came out of her arse.

Gravelly wrote: »

As long as you are not outnumbered more than 4 or 5 to 1 you'd be ok. I've never heard of travellers attacking men one-on-one (unless the man is elderly) - they only attack if they have overwhelming odds. Even when they are robbing the elderly, they travel in gangs.

Very true. Can attest to this having been jumped (from behind) by about 12 of them.

Gravelly wrote: »

As a young man in college, a group of us were out in a certain Cork hostelry one night, when one of our group "had words" with a member of the travelling community out of sight of the rest of us. There was some handbags, nothing serious, and the traveller went off, muttering threats. He came back and told us about it, and we thought no more of it at the time.
Later that evening, we left the bar, and as our guy stepped out the door, 5 travellers appeared from the darkness. One had a Crocodile Dundee-style knife, and another one had what appeared to be a bicycle chain. Before they could make a move, one of my college classmates pushed the rest of us aside and stepped forward. He was (and still is) an extremely large Limerick man, with hands like shovels, and who was a terror on the rugby pitch back then. He drew himself up to his full six foot 6 and asked calmly "Alright cünts, which two of ye are first?"
Our ethnic friends couldn't decide who would be first, and left in a hurry.

My ethnic mates didn't even have the sort of misguided, animalistic reason that yours did, was just for craic I'd have to guess.

Unfortunately I didn't have your 6' 6" mate there but was saved from what would have been permanent injuries by some friends who were close by but they got a few smacks themselves. Without numbers they wouldn't even lift their head to look at you.