Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Former Former · 16-11-2018 10:18AM

John Hayes Ligind

Buer wrote: »

I think AM having his stay extended was always going to happen. Nobody at Munster is going to suffer from his presence. Behing Murray, the scrum half situation is a bit of a car crash. Duncan Williams is a Pro14 level operator and that's about it. I'd still expect Murray to appear on a pitch in 2018.

Cronin is unproven at Pro14 level and 26. He's not going to be the answer. James Hart has been a complete bust. Jack Stafford is 22 at the end of the season and has 20 minutes of pro rugby off the bench. Craig Casey, I know nothing about. 2nd year in the academy but if his physical stats are accurate, I don't see him making it as a pro player.

I wouldn't be surprised to see AM have his contract extended beyond this season either. But Munster will need to come up with something soon enough with both Williams and Matthewson turning 33 this season. It's not a million miles off the Pienaar situation, currently.

If they don't extend Matthewson's contract, I reckon they'll go to the market for a NIQ option.

EDIT: Totally forgot about Nick McCarthy.

Yeah there's two possibilities;
1) Murray isn't going to be back for a while yet
or
2) JVG has said that Williams, Cronin and Hart are not even good enough to be second-choice, and since McCarthy is coming next year, no harm in keeping AM on. We already know he thinks they're crap so very possible.

Could be both of the above of course.

thomond2006 · 16-11-2018 10:20AM

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I think Murray himself has said he is targeting the back to back vs Castres. Open to correction...

James Hart, bust label aside, has been out with an injury and perhaps he's not due to return soon.

Eod100 · 16-11-2018 03:06PM

Some good new on injury front with players including Chris Farrell, Conor Oliver, Ronan O’Mahony, Calvin Nash and Jaco Taute returning.

Matthewson remaining to March confirmed. Not sure why it woudn't be til end of season.

Kleyn's thumb surgery will keep him out for at least 6 weeks.

The Munster squad returned to training at the HPC in Limerick today as preparations started for the Guinness PRO14 clash away to Zebre on Sunday, November 25 (3.30pm Irish time).
A number of players will return to full team training this week including Chris Farrell, Conor Oliver, Ronan O’Mahony, Calvin Nash and Jaco Taute.

Sammy Arnold has completed his return to play protocols and has been training with the Ireland squad.

Jean Kleyn suffered a thumb injury against the Cheetahs last time out and will be out for at least six weeks having undergone surgery.

On the contract front, development prop Cronan Gleeson has completed his short-term contract with scrum-half Mathewson signing a three-month extension to remain at Munster until the end of March 2019.

The following are progressing with rehabilitation: Liam O’Connor (knee), Rhys Marshall (hamstring), Tommy O’Donnell (ankle), Jack O’Donoghue (knee), Dave O’Callaghan (foot), Conor Murray (neck), James Hart (knee), Dan Goggin (knee), Stephen Fitzgerald (foot).

https://munsterrugby.ie/2018/11/16/squad-update-pre-zebre-2/

irishbucsfan · 16-11-2018 03:10PM

John Hayes Ligind

Jaysus what a list!

Cookiemunster · 16-11-2018 03:14PM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Brilliant news on Farrell. The last update on him said he wouldn't be back until after Christmas. Hopefully he doesn't have any setbacks.

thomond2006 · 16-11-2018 04:28PM

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2019
Niall Scannell 2019
Mike Sherry 2019

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2019

James French Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2019
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2019

Keynan Knox Year 2

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2019

Thomas Ahern Year 1
Sean O'Connor Year 3

Arno Botha 2019
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2019
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson March 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2019
Joey Carbery 2020
JJ Hanrahan 2019
Bill Johnston 2020
Ian Keatley 2019

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2019
Jaco Taute 2019

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2
Matt More Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Stephen Fitzgerald 2019
Mike Haley 2021
Ronan O'Mahony 2019
Calvin Nash 2019
Darren Sweetnam 2019
Alex Wootton 2019

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)

thomond2006 · 16-11-2018 04:30PM

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Full team training should mean that those players will be available for the trip to Zebre next weekend. If I can be particularly pleased for any of those players it's Conor Oliver. He deserves some luck and will have opportunities to play with TOD unavailable.

Edit: Kleyn's news is a blow. Gone until 2019.

DellyBelly · 17-11-2018 11:36PM

Be a good move by Irish rugby to give us VDF. Super player and struggling to get into the Leinster team. We could do with a guy like that

Mickiemcfist · 17-11-2018 11:40PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Be a good move by Irish rugby to give us VDF. Super player and struggling to get into the Leinster team. We could do with a guy like that

Do we not have enough with TOD, Cloete, Oliver & JOD(ish)? we're just hit by a particularly odd injury crisis there. Leinster already sent Murphy norrh

Clegg · 18-11-2018 12:03AM

VdF isn't struggling to get into the Leinster team at all. Started all our big games this season.

I think he's the best 7 in the country tbh.

18-11-2018 08:06AM

John Hayes Ligind

DellyBelly wrote: »

Be a good move by Irish rugby to give us VDF. Super player and struggling to get into the Leinster team. We could do with a guy like that

Or, and this may be controversial, but Munster could try develop a guy actually from Munster instead.

Eod100 · 18-11-2018 05:25PM

Looking ahead to Munster v Exeter. Another Exeter tbp win today v Bristol Bears. They're down 5 players and Bristol were leading towards end but penalty try won it for Exeter. Castres only team to get better of them in all competitions so far this season.

stock> · 18-11-2018 05:47PM

Julien Rapid Eagle wrote: »

Or, and this may be controversial, but Munster could try develop a guy actually from Munster instead.

WHY! just ring Leo he'll have some spare.....................

Sabre0001 · 19-11-2018 09:32AM

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Now to get selfish after that incredible weekend for Ireland. Fingers crossed POM bounces back quickly! Very important to have him for the Heineken Cup games in a few weeks.

https://twitter.com/alang0486/status/1063904512006598658

Eod100 · 19-11-2018 12:32PM

Good news, Murray returning to full team training. Likely to feature away to Zebre and at home v Edinburgh then before Champions Cup matches.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1064495081514766336

https://munsterrugby.ie/2018/11/19/squad-update-171/

phog · 19-11-2018 12:48PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Good news, Murray returning to full team training. Likely to feature away to Zebre and at home v Edinburgh then before Champions Cup matches.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1064495081514766336

https://munsterrugby.ie/2018/11/19/squad-update-171/

He kind of hinted at that in a recent interview, great to have him back.

Tomtom364 · 19-11-2018 12:50PM

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Gloucester tickets are available on general sale on Gloucester website, going fast enough, I'd say an few other pesky Munster fans on there too which they are well aware of from previous experience

Gloucester Website wrote:

Munster supporters are encouraged to purchase tickets directly from Munster Rugby as they have taken their full allocation.

thomond2006 · 19-11-2018 12:58PM

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My guess at a team for Zebre:

Cronin, KOB, Archer, Holland, DOS, Wycherley, Cloete, Botha
Mathewson, Bleyendaal, Wootton, Scannell, Farrell, Nash, Haley

Bench: Sherry, Loughman, Parker, SOC, Oliver, Murray, Johnston, Taute

Injured: Marshall, LOC, Kleyn, TOD, JOD, DOC, Hart, Goggin, Fitzgerald
Ireland: Scannell, Kilcoyne, Ryan, Beirne, POM, Stander, Carbery, Arnold, Conway, Earls, Sweetnam

Cookiemunster · 19-11-2018 01:33PM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Gloucester tickets are available on general sale on Gloucester website, going fast enough, I'd say an few other pesky Munster fans on there too which they are well aware of from previous experience

Best of luck with that Gloucester! Munster only have a lottery open, which means that everyone would be separated and you could be in any part of the ground. No thanks, I got 5 tickets in the Shed and there are a few others I know buying today too.

mike_cork · 19-11-2018 01:57PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Best of luck with that Gloucester! Munster only have a lottery open, which means that everyone would be separated and you could be in any part of the ground. No thanks, I got 5 tickets in the Shed and there are a few others I know buying today too.

got 3 in the shed myself.
Their website crashed shortly after tickets went on sale due to "unexpected volume" so pretty encouraging from our POV i would think.

phog · 19-11-2018 02:25PM

The Dublin branch of the MRSC are looking at running a bus to Galway for our Connacht game

We are looking at running a bus to & from Galway for the Pro14 game against Connacht on the 5th of January.
Please let us know asap if you would like to book a seat on the bus as we need to know numbers.

(Please note match tickets must be purchased separately!)

yerrahbah · 19-11-2018 05:19PM

Some 18 months for Peter O'Mahony.

Last minute call up vs England in the Aviva. MOM performace
Captained Lions in a test game vs NZ
Captained Ireland to a series win in Australia
MOM performance in beating the NZ in the Aviva

19-11-2018 05:33PM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

yerrahbah wrote: »

Some 18 months for Peter O'Mahony.

Last minute call up vs England in the Aviva. MOM performace
Captained Lions in a test game vs NZ
Captained Ireland to a series win in Australia
MOM performance in beating the NZ in the Aviva

It's absolutely no coincidence at all that he tends to play his best against the All Blacks.

Those extra few minutes during the haka really allows him to fully recover from the anthems before kick off.

Mc Love · 19-11-2018 10:45PM

Buer wrote: »

. Duncan Williams is a Pro14 level operator and that's about it.
EDIT: Totally forgot about Nick McCarthy.

Hilarious, he's not even an AIL 1a operator as cons wouldnt even play him when they had a chance to!

The Lost Sheep · 19-11-2018 10:48PM

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Mc Love wrote: »

Hilarious, he's not even an AIL 1a operator as cons wouldnt even play him when they had a chance to!

Ah McLove he is Pro14 ability. He never will be a top quality option but is a fine run of the mill pro player.
Your opinions on him are well known across here and elsewhere.

thomond2006 · 20-11-2018 10:09AM

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Hopefully by the New Year we'll see the injury list decrease. The squad is slowly getting some of its depth players back along with a few starters.

phog · 20-11-2018 12:00PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ah McLove he is Pro14 ability. He never will be a top quality option but is a fine run of the mill pro player.
Your opinions on him are well known across here and elsewhere.

It's tiresome and childish at this stage.

Mc Love · 20-11-2018 01:00PM

phog wrote: »

It's tiresome and childish at this stage.

It's my opinion, get over it or put me on ignore. I'm not the only person that thinks it either.

The Lost Sheep · 20-11-2018 01:03PM

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Mc Love wrote: »

It's my opinion, get over it or put me on ignore. I'm not the only person that thinks it either.

But it simply isnt true. Now i dont think Munster should be continuing to give him contracts as it would be better spent elsewhere but at the same time he has deserved his contracts recently because he's improved.

Mc Love · 20-11-2018 01:09PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

But it simply isnt true. Now i dont think Munster should be continuing to give him contracts as it would be better spent elsewhere but at the same time he has deserved his contracts recently because he's improved.

In your opinion TLS. For next season, you have to admit that it would hard to see him getting a contract renewal with the options we have incoming and currently with the squad.

Is it fair to say that Matthewson is a better SH too?

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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