Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Eod100

Former Former wrote: »

"Standards" are higher than ever. Ten years ago Hook (or whoever) said what he said and it was limited to whoever was listening to the radio at that time. Without social media there would have been no furore and we'd all have just moved on.

We're living in a period of incredibly oppressive censorship, George Orwell couldn't have dreamed it up, and the truly mad thing is that it's self-inflicted.

Don't see how it can be termed censorship if Hook and co still say what they want to say? Difference may be that people are more likely to voice their criticism. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences from that speech.

Former Former

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Former Former wrote: »

"Standards" are higher than ever. Ten years ago Hook (or whoever) said what he said and it was limited to whoever was listening to the radio at that time. Without social media there would have been no furore and we'd all have just moved on.

We're living in a period of incredibly oppressive censorship, George Orwell couldn't have dreamed it up, and the truly mad thing is that it's self-inflicted.

I am trying to get my head around your point but I'm not sure I see it.

I think in times gone by Hook would have been jettisoned for some of his remarks. He's kept around because there is an appetite for contrarian indecency that ultimately drives revenue, and this revenue keeps Hook on the air despite the fact that his public persona has a disquieting indecency to it by most peoples standards.

I think public standards are generally a lot higher in some parts - maybe leading to an expectancy that is unachievable, but large elements the media have been pulling the other way in my opinion.

I don't feel that the media in anyway reflects the desired standard of values of the public however. Obviously the gutter press have always been in a race to the bottom, but for over a decade now the likes of the Independent has delivered countless missteps.

Hugely off topic though so will leave it there.

Sabre0001

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Munster team for weekend: Mike Haley; Shane Daly, Sammy Arnold, Tyler Bleyendaal (C), Alex Wootton; Bill Johnston, Alby Mathewson; James Cronin, Kevin O’Byrne, Stephen Archer; Jean Kleyn, Darren O’Shea; Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, Arno Botha.

Replacements: Mike Sherry, Jeremy Loughman, John Ryan, Sean O’Connor, Gavin Coombes, Duncan Williams, Ian Keatley, Rory Scannell.

phog

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Munster team for weekend: Mike Haley; Shane Daly, Sammy Arnold, Tyler Bleyendaal (C), Alex Wootton; Bill Johnston, Alby Mathewson; James Cronin, Kevin O’Byrne, Stephen Archer; Jean Kleyn, Darren O’Shea; Fineen Wycherley, Chris Cloete, Arno Botha.

Replacements: Mike Sherry, Jeremy Loughman, John Ryan, Sean O’Connor, Gavin Coombes, Duncan Williams, Ian Keatley, Rory Scannell.

Great to see Tyler back but I prefer him at outhalf but then again it's great to see Bill start a senior game at outhalf too so overall not too bad to see both players getting a game.

brocbrocach

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He would be a nobody if it wasn’t for the people who hate him amplifying his ****e

Really?

One of the very few Irishmen to reach the pinnacle of an international solo sport.

Multi-award winning journalist .
Multi-award winning ghostwriter.
Central chronicler of, and direct participant in, the fall of Lance Armstrong, one of the huge sports stories of this century.

Famously sued by the cowboys who run cycling leading to the setting up of a crowdfunded "fighting fund" approaching €100,000.


Far from a nobody, whatever you think of him.

Miley Byrne

brocbrocach wrote: »

Really?

One of the very few Irishmen to reach the pinnacle of an international solo sport.

When and in what sport? I don't remember him reaching the pinnacle of any sport

As an aside, I like him as a writer but his droning on about GG really bored the sh!t out of me

pappyodaniel

Is the Cheetahs game on Sunday televised?

pappyodaniel

Is the Cheetahs game on Sunday televised?

Bazzo

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Is the Cheetahs game on Sunday televised?

It'll be on eir sport. Every pro14 game is available on premier sports, is that not the case with eir as well?

brocbrocach

Miley Byrne wrote: »

When and in what sport? I don't remember him reaching the pinnacle of any sport

As an aside, I like him as a writer but his droning on about GG really bored the sh!t out of me

He cycled in the Tour. That's something only 180 odd cyclists get to do every year.

I hate his writing style but he's good to have around.

Mookie Blaylock

brocbrocach wrote: »

He cycled in the Tour. That's something only 180 odd cyclists get to do every year.

I hate his writing style but he's good to have around.

And a lot less than 180 are clean when they do it

Caranica

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

And a lot less than 180 are clean when they do it

Like Kimmage! I don't get how his anti doping crusade makes up for the fact that he was not a clean athlete

irishbucsfan

John Hayes Ligind

brocbrocach wrote: »

He cycled in the Tour. That's something only 180 odd cyclists get to do every year.

I hate his writing style but he's good to have around.

He cycled in the tour while doping. He was no more at the pinnacle of his sport than his fellow cheat Grobler is at his.

Mookie Blaylock

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He cycled in the tour while doping. He was no more at the pinnacle of his sport than his fellow cheat Grobler is at his.

That's Venjuresque in its understated brilliance!

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

Caranica wrote: »

Like Kimmage! I don't get how his anti doping crusade makes up for the fact that he was not a clean athlete

I guess you could argue that he can understand doping better than most.

For most journalists, doping (and indeed professional sport) is an abstract concept. Kimmage can more legitimately claim to be qualified to speak on it.

It's a shame the way he carries on because it means people don't really pay any attention to what he's saying, they just dismiss it as Kimmage going off on one again.

I can see his frustration with Irish rugby tbh. We don't really take doping seriously.

Richie_Rich89

The provinces would be missing a trick if they didn't have programmes in place with the importance of physicality and recovery in the modern game. There's virtually no testing for pro players below international level, and the IRFU would probably cover up an adverse finding anyway

Eod100

Tbp win for Glasgow and deny Ospreys a lbp. Munster can go 2nd (ahead on points difference) if they beat Cheetahs.

phog

Eod100 wrote: »

Tbp win for Glasgow and deny Ospreys a lbp. Munster can go 2nd (ahead on points difference) if they beat Cheetahs.

I'd nearly have preferred an Osprey's win to try and narrow the gap to the pool toppers but Ill be happy if we get to take 2nd place this weekend.

2smiggy

John Hayes Ligind

Munster match on tele anywhere??

2smiggy

John Hayes Ligind

Never mind, thought they were playing today!!

2smiggy

John Hayes Ligind

Never mind, thought they were playing today!!

xxyyzz

2smiggy wrote: »

Munster match on tele anywhere??

Eir sports

phog

That BP win puts us back into 2nd place in our conference but we're still a distance from Glasgow.

Mucky_Tackies

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Nearly ****ed that one away. Keatley doing Keatley things.

phog

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Nearly ****ed that one away. Keatley doing Keatley things.

He wasn't great but he wasn't on the field when Munster conceded 3 of the 4 Cheetah tries. Easy to take a cut at him but he wasn't to blame for the mess that Munster found themselves in.

Mucky_Tackies

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

He was brought on to see it out and steady the ship. He did the opposite and that rippled right through a young team.

Thought Scannell did excellently when he came on, some very strong carries and yet another massive kick. Williams also came on and had a positive impact.

Very entertaining game. Cheetahs may feel they left that behind them as had ample opportunities, their winger alone bombed 2 dead cert tries.

bennyl10

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Nearly ****ed that one away. Keatley doing Keatley things.

Ignoring that our lack of 13 let them run straight through our midfield, twice.

but yes all Keats

phog

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

He was brought on to see it out and steady the ship. He did the opposite and that rippled right through a young team.

Thought Scannell did excellently when he came on, some very strong carries and yet another massive kick. Williams also came on and had a positive impact.

Very entertaining game. Cheetahs may feel they left that behind them as had ample opportunities, their winger alone bombed 2 dead cert tries.

He saved our bacon when cleared the ball from a Cheetahs 5m lineout and then regathered the ball from his own kick.

Mr Tickle

Return of the JJ

bennyl10 wrote: »

Ignoring that our lack of 13 let them run straight through our midfield, twice.

but yes all Keats

I think the altitude was killing them at that stage too. suddenly they just couldn't stop going backwards. In attack and defense.

yes he had a game he'll hope to forget but lets not get the knives out just yet

Mc Love

While Scannel's kick was another good one, does he work on passing at all? His passing game when he does pass which is rare, is very poor! And the decision to not pass many times is costing us ground/tries