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2018 Leaf

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  • #5312
    MightyMunster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Test an eGolf while your at it

    Hoping to drive one in the afternoon!
    Advantage with golf seems to be that you can get one cheaper as they've been around longer.


  • #5313
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    MightyMunster wrote: »
    Hoping to drive one in the afternoon!
    Advantage with golf seems to be that you can get one cheaper as they've been around longer.

    Depends if you are going eGolf 1 or eGolf 2

    It is a far better drive to Leaf 1, no idea on Leaf 2. The battery is better as well in the eGolf.

    You could get away with eGolf 1, based on your requirements.....


  • #5314
    Soarer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,113 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Not to tell you what to do with your own money, but do you need an L40 to do 50kms per day?

    Why not pick up an L24 for 12-18 months, and see what's available then?


  • #5315
    grudgehugger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭grudgehugger


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Sorry, Yes, I meant the Leaf 40.

    Wow that's fairly shocking that the Leaf 40kWh gets the same or worse range as the Ionic 28kWh!

    The Leaf's battery is 43% bigger, that can't be right surely?

    I'm test driving the Kona and Leaf 40 today so just looking to compare range.

    Thanks for the info!
    Al.

    L40 owner for 4 months.

    Haven’t been paying attention to differences as it has gotten colder (my daily commute of 80km means I don’t need to keep that close an eye).

    Having done a few long-distance journeys I’d say 200km is a fair expectation of what range you’ll get (you will get less or more depending on how you drive though...)

    L40 suits me well, is lovely to drive and quite spacious - but not best suited to people doing regular journeys of 175km+ imo


  • #5316
    BigAl81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    grudgehugger wrote: »
    L40 owner for 4 months.

    Haven’t been paying attention to differences as it has gotten colder (my daily commute of 80km means I don’t need to keep that close an eye).

    Having done a few long-distance journeys I’d say 200km is a fair expectation of what range you’ll get (you will get less or more depending on how you drive though...)

    L40 suits me well, is lovely to drive and quite spacious - but not best suited to people doing regular journeys of 175km+ imo

    That's really helpful information, thanks! I like the look and features of the new Leaf alright!

    How do you find the "self driving" / pro pilot on the motorways?

    I do a regular 170km trip so right on the cusp of Leaf range. And I'd be thinking as with all EV's, range will reduce over the years as the battery degrades as well.

    It's a hard time to buy an EV with the promise of theoretical better cars in the future, but with a history of delays! Being able to actually buy a Leaf today is tempting!

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  • #5317
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭Lantus


    MightyMunster wrote: »
    Test driving a new Leaf today, first ever EV experience. Looking forward to it :)

    Will be a big step up in technology from my bog standard 2005 Golf.

    Only doing around 50k a day for work and my wife's ICE car will be used for longer trips.

    Sounds like a good set up. Please come back with your feedback.


  • #5318
    grudgehugger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭grudgehugger


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    That's really helpful information, thanks! I like the look and features of the new Leaf alright!

    How do you find the "self driving" / pro pilot on the motorways?

    I do a regular 170km trip so right on the cusp of Leaf range. And I'd be thinking as with all EV's, range will reduce over the years as the battery degrades as well.

    It's a hard time to buy an EV with the promise of theoretical better cars in the future, but with a history of delays! Being able to actually buy a Leaf today is tempting!

    I don’t have full ProPilot but LOVE adaptive cruise control on a motorway. Set it to a speed like 105 or 120, then let the car slow down and speed up for you. Works great, and is even good in slow traffic (like my daily N11 traffic jam).

    Doing 170 regularly you’d have to watch your driving style but it will do it on a full charge. Don’t expect much battery left or to be driving @ 120...


  • #5319
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Adaptive cruise is one feature that is brilliant on cars, but majority of electric now provide....except the 38k Kona of course

    Self parking and those features are gimmicks, I have self parking and never use


  • #5320
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Of course if you are a terrible driver then self parking might be helpful


  • #5321
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭grogi


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Of course if you are a terrible driver then self parking might be helpful

    If you are terrible enough for the auto-parking to be of any value, you might not even reach the parking lot...


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  • #5322
    BigAl81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    Had a test drive in the Leaf 40 today, very nice car. The ePedal is good, and I did a quick test of pro pilot on the motorway and it seemed to work well.

    Very smooth to drive, as with all EV's I suppose, even compared to a regular automatic as there's no gears.

    They claim the range is 250kms! The battery was at 75% and the GOM said 165kms left so that's a theoretical range on the demo car of 220 or so I think.

    Interestingly the dealer said the 60kWh Leaf will be out next August with 220 horse power for about 5k more.

    I'll play the waiting game for that / see what else comes out in the next 6 months, but if the range works for you and you don't need multiple rapid charges per day, it's well worth a look.

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  • #5323
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,906 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Wow that's fairly shocking that the Leaf 40kWh gets the same or worse range as the Ionic 28kWh!

    The Leaf's battery is 43% bigger, that can't be right surely?

    Yes it is right! Ioniq is more aerodynamic and the drivetrain is more efficient.

    In the standard ADAC test (very much like the WLTP test, with just a little bit more motorway) Ioniq has a range of 211km and Leaf has a range of 201km

    Linky


    At 120km/h on the motorway this difference in range is a lot bigger though

    Now if you never drive for anywhere near 200km, or not on motorways much, this doesn't make any difference of course and who cares if your 200km driving costs €2 in Ioniq or €3 in Leaf :p

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  • #5324
    dubjay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭dubjay


    64kw Kona is a Great Car lovely to drive. nearly bought one only for supply issues and dealer went to low for my own with a trade in. will wait for the 60kw leaf or 40kw ENV200


  • #5325
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    grudgehugger wrote: »
    I don’t have full ProPilot but LOVE adaptive cruise control on a motorway. Set it to a speed like 105 or 120, then let the car slow down and speed up for you. Works great, and is even good in slow traffic (like my daily N11 traffic jam).

    Doing 170 regularly you’d have to watch your driving style but it will do it on a full charge. Don’t expect much battery left or to be driving @ 120...
    My L24 has adaptive cruise control, if we talk about the same thing here. So this is not exactly a L40 selling feature, it's inherent to Leafs.

    But ProPilot - that's another league, semi-autonomous driving let's say :) And self-parking as well, that's nice.


  • #5326
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    dubjay wrote: »
    64kw Kona is a Great Car lovely to drive. nearly bought one only for supply issues and dealer went to low for my own with a trade in. will wait for the 60kw leaf or 40kw ENV200

    L60 may not come that quickly and/or will be expensive. VW Neo may come earlier and if they get the price down as they plan to, then it will be a game changer. The lowest spec Neo will have 300km+ range (~50kW battery).


  • #5327
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Wow that's fairly shocking that the Leaf 40kWh gets the same or worse range as the Ionic 28kWh! The Leaf's battery is 43% bigger, that can't be right surely?
    Any expert here can explain why is that? I've always wondered. Aerodynamics? Can't be down to that only.


  • #5328
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    McGiver wrote: »
    Any expert here can explain why is that? I've always wondered. Aerodynamics? Can't be down to that only.

    The efficiency of the ioniq styling plays a big factor.
    Better battery management.


  • #5329
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭KCross


    McGiver wrote: »
    My L24 has adaptive cruise control, if we talk about the same thing here. So this is not exactly a L40 selling feature, it's inherent to Leafs.

    L24 never had adapative cruise. You have cruise control, but not adaptive cruise.
    McGiver wrote: »
    Any expert here can explain why is that? I've always wondered. Aerodynamics? Can't be down to that only.

    Aerodynamics, better battery, better motor design... basically everything in the drivetrain is more efficient and when you eek out 2 or 3 percent here and another 2-3% there, it all adds up.


  • #5330
    icom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭icom


    Anyone having trouble with the adaptive cruise.

    Mine worked fine for the first two months, but lately most days after about 15 minutes of driving, no matter what the weather is like, it throws up a message 'Function unavailable, radar blocked' and disengages. It only resets when I stop and start the car again, then fails after another 10-15 minutes.

    Took it to the dealer and they put it on the computer, but no errors were found. They say it must have been condensation on the sensor.

    A few days after the check, I got a yellow triangle, and the message 'System Failure' a few minutes after the radar failure.
    Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this ?


  • #5331
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    kceire wrote: »
    The efficiency of the ioniq styling plays a big factor.
    Better battery management.

    OK so that warrants a question - how come that a company with much more experience and lead time in EV production and also units manufactured & sold (350k vs 25k) is not able to match the competitor who have basically just started manufacturing EVs?


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  • #5332
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    KCross wrote: »
    L24 never had adapative cruise. You have cruise control, but not adaptive cruise.
    What's the difference?


  • #5333
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    icom wrote: »
    Anyone having trouble with the adaptive cruise.

    Mine worked fine for the first two months, but lately most days after about 15 minutes of driving, no matter what the weather is like, it throws up a message 'Function unavailable, radar blocked' and disengages. It only resets when I stop and start the car again, then fails after another 10-15 minutes.

    Took it to the dealer and they put it on the computer, but no errors were found. They say it must have been condensation on the sensor.

    A few days after the check, I got a yellow triangle, and the message 'System Failure' a few minutes after the radar failure.
    Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this ?

    There's a thread on speakev.com about the failure of the radar unit. Replacement under warranty seems to fix the problem. Some worrying reports of the car emergency braking for no reason due to the same fault, so don't let the dealer fob you off. I'd be switching the system off until this is resolved.


  • #5334
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭KCross


    icom wrote: »
    Anyone having trouble with the adaptive cruise.

    Mine worked fine for the first two months, but lately most days after about 15 minutes of driving, no matter what the weather is like, it throws up a message 'Function unavailable, radar blocked' and disengages. It only resets when I stop and start the car again, then fails after another 10-15 minutes.

    Took it to the dealer and they put it on the computer, but no errors were found. They say it must have been condensation on the sensor.

    A few days after the check, I got a yellow triangle, and the message 'System Failure' a few minutes after the radar failure.
    Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this ?

    Lots of examples on the UK forum of faulty front radar on the L40 causing the same issue as you. I'd say your dealer isnt up to speed.

    McGiver wrote: »
    What's the difference?

    Adaptive means the car will automatically speed up and slow down (using front radar) as its driving along and cars appear in front of it.

    Normal cruise control is just set a speed and it maintains that speed.


  • #5335
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,978 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    McGiver wrote: »
    OK so that warrants a question - how come that a company with much more experience and lead time in EV production and also units manufactured & sold (350k vs 25k) is not able to match the competitor who have basically just started manufacturing EVs?

    Isn't that the joy of a competitive system...
    I'm sure hyundai bought, tested and stripped down and analysed several leafs and teslas in the name of research, theres a strong chance that without Nissan and teslas research and investment hyundai wouldn't have been able to improve on it... Nissan Probably looked at what they'd already spent a fortune developing and though it was more cost effective to largely keep it.. If hyundai take their sales they'll upgrade/improve pretty Damn quick..

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  • #5336
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,170 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    KCross wrote: »
    Lots of examples on the UK forum of faulty front radar on the L40 causing the same issue as you. I'd say your dealer isnt up to speed.

    Not really strickly related to EV, but that response, or rather the lack of one from the dealer, sums up everything that is wrong with the industry.

    €10's of 1000s spent and a clearly faulty product and the dealer comes up that maybe its condensation. OK, so what are you going to do about it? Nothing apparently, bring a cloth seems to be it.

    So this dealer sent a customer back onto the road knowing that the vehicle they were driving had an issue that could potentially lead to an accident and simply didn't care.

    If it is mentioned anywhere in the sale literature or the sales man mentioned it then it forms part of the selling point of the vehicle and it is simply not good enough that it doesn't work in all conditions. Did the manufacturer not consider that the lens may get dirty or wet?

    Rant over.


  • #5337
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭KCross


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    If it is mentioned anywhere in the sale literature or the sales man mentioned it then it forms part of the selling point of the vehicle and it is simply not good enough that it doesn't work in all conditions. Did the manufacturer not consider that the lens may get dirty or wet?

    A cloth wont help. Its actually faulty rather than dirty/wet. The radar units up front need to be swapped out for new ones.

    The dealer just looked for fault codes and gave the usual "it works for me" response. I'd blame Nissan rather than the dealer to be honest because Nissan know they have a radar issue and are not informing their dealers, it seems.


  • #5338
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McGiver wrote: »
    kceire wrote: »
    The efficiency of the ioniq styling plays a big factor.
    Better battery management.

    OK so that warrants a question - how come that a company with much more experience and lead time in EV production and also units manufactured & sold (350k vs 25k) is not able to match the competitor who have basically just started manufacturing EVs?

    The Ioniq and other electric Hyundais' electric drivetrains were designed by LG who are the real experts on the field. Nissan were the first out of the door and are now reusing as many components as possible to recoup the original design costs. Nissan doesn't at the moment really need to try any harder as even they are production limited and the demand comfortably outstrips the supply.


  • #5339
    icom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭icom


    Silent Running wrote: »
    There's a thread on speakev.com about the failure of the radar unit. Replacement under warranty seems to fix the problem. Some worrying reports of the car emergency braking for no reason due to the same fault, so don't let the dealer fob you off. I'd be switching the system off until this is resolved.

    Thanks for the advice, I have switched it off and contacted the dealer again demanding a replacement under warranty. They will contact Nissan today and let me know if they agree.


  • #5340
    maclek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭maclek


    KCross wrote: »
    Normal cruise control is just set a speed and it maintains that speed.

    Just like my L40 adaptive cruise when approaching a stationary car. :)


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  • #5341
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭KCross





    Not sure if one instance in a cold climate proves it but it will be interesting to see if this is replicated by others. He did show LeafSpy data with the actual pack temps so it does look legit.


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