2018 Leaf

unkel · 13-10-2018 03:23PM

KCross wrote: »

2 solid lights and one flashing means he was at 67% or greater.

Aye, that would generically apply to all EVs with 3 blue lights

Given that he was charging at 25kW when I got there first, what does that say about the SOC? Surely someone must have a chart that will give us a good indicator? My own guess was about 80% for the L40. Ioniq still does 25kW at close to 90%

KCross wrote: »

At 2kW he was probably at 97%+ so he effectively used the rapid to charge to 100%. What a dick.

Did you say anything to him? Did he acknowledge you at all?

I didn't need the charge to get home, but I was furious all the same that the was such an ignorant prick. I didn't want a heated confrontation as his wife and baby were there, I only asked him how long was he charging. To which he said 20 minutes which was a blatant lie as I had been parked there for about an hour and 15 minutes at that stage. And, again I can't prove this, but it is unlikely he hooked up at 80% so he could well have been there for 2-2.5hours. I told him he was only charging at 2kW hogging up the fast charger and that he wasn't doing the EV community any favours and then I left.

KCross · 13-10-2018 03:48PM

unkel wrote: »

Given that he was charging at 25kW when I got there first, what does that say about the SOC? Surely someone must have a chart that will give us a good indicator? My own guess was about 80% for the L40. Ioniq still does 25kW at close to 90%

Here is a video showing the charge % vs time (excluding rapidgate of course!)
20-80% takes 32mins... just as a side topic!

https://youtu.be/C0HvpbyAm0A?t=117

So, it looks like he was at ~85% when you arrived and at 2kW he was probably close to 99%.

unkel wrote: »

I told him he was only charging at 2kW hogging up the fast charger and that he wasn't doing the EV community any favours and then I left.

At least you said that much. No point in having a heated debate as you dont know what kind of person you are dealing with but a polite word of "thats poor form" and walk away was spot on in this case.

He might ignore it but it might also make him a little less comfortable at being a prick the next time.

KCross · 13-10-2018 03:56PM

Actually, come to think of it, the 25kW you are looking at is what the charger is consuming, not what the car is taking.
So, knock another 6-10% off that, so he was probably closer to 90% when you arrived.

unkel · 13-10-2018 04:09PM

KCross wrote: »

Actually, come to think of it, the 25kW you are looking at is what the charger is consuming, not what the car is taking.
So, knock another 6-10% off that, so he was probably closer to 90% when you arrived.

Thanks for the vid! I had done the sums, but I have to change them now based on that!

Looks like he was a local spending a few hours at the shops, so most likely no previous fast charge that day, no #rapidgate at all, so most likely charging as fast as the car possibly can (like in your vid)

So if he arrived with 0% then he was charging for 56 minutes by the time I arrived (90% SOC), plus the 1:20 I was there between arriving and leaving (99% SOC), so 2 hours 16 minutes. If he arrived with say 40%, he was charging for 33 minutes, plus the 1:20 I was there, so for 1 hour and 53 minutes

Either way, hogging up what is most likely the second busiest fast charger in this country for about 2 hours. With the busiest fast charger in the country out of action (for CCS) for the past 6-7 weeks. The third busiest fast charger in the country is probably Naas. I wouldn't advice anyone to even go near that one.

Great.

tabby aspreme · 13-10-2018 06:07PM

What is it with Leaf drivers and hogging, this lad parked at the diesel pump today.

ewj1978 · 13-10-2018 06:51PM

Clearly didnt want to walk across in the rain. Bad form though.

n97 mini · 13-10-2018 07:57PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

What is it with Leaf drivers and hogging, this lad parked at the diesel pump today.

Ha, karma! The amount of times CPs I've wanted to use have been ICEd by VAG diesels.

Had a similar thing the other day. Wanted to get to the air pump at a busy garage. Went in the side labelled 'Entrance' but got snarled up at the pumps. People had fueled up and gone in to pay and buy spicy chicken rolls while they were at it. I was starving so said fook it, if you can't bate them join them.

kennethsmyth · 15-10-2018 05:00PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

What is it with Leaf drivers and hogging, this lad parked at the diesel pump today.

Apart from Bmw drivers yeah those leaf drivers are hoggers

Fitz2011 · 15-10-2018 05:30PM

unkel wrote: »

Thanks for the vid! I had done the sums, but I have to change them now based on that!

Looks like he was a local spending a few hours at the shops, so most likely no previous fast charge that day, no #rapidgate at all, so most likely charging as fast as the car possibly can (like in your vid)

So if he arrived with 0% then he was charging for 56 minutes by the time I arrived (90% SOC), plus the 1:20 I was there between arriving and leaving (99% SOC), so 2 hours 16 minutes. If he arrived with say 40%, he was charging for 33 minutes, plus the 1:20 I was there, so for 1 hour and 53 minutes

Either way, hogging up what is most likely the second busiest fast charger in this country for about 2 hours. With the busiest fast charger in the country out of action (for CCS) for the past 6-7 weeks. The third busiest fast charger in the country is probably Naas. I wouldn't advice anyone to even go near that one.

Great.

I was always under the illusion that you had to stay with your car while it fast charged. I only charge to 80% on a rapid charger or take what I need to get me home. If I’m doing a bit of shopping I’ll only charge for what I need and move it to another space. Also if I did have to leave the car for a few minutes to go get food/toilet I leave my phone number on the dash. I also monitor the charging through the app. So I know when to come back. Maybe ecars/esb should put up signage with a few general rules for people to follow. Otherwise things are going to get a lot worse with the amount of new EVs on the road.

Gumbo · 15-10-2018 05:50PM

Fitz2011 wrote: »

I was always under the illusion that you had to stay with your car while it fast charged. I only charge to 80% on a rapid charger or take what I need to get me home. If I’m doing a bit of shopping I’ll only charge for what I need and move it to another space. Also if I did have to leave the car for a few minutes to go get food/toilet I leave my phone number on the dash. I also monitor the charging through the app. So I know when to come back. Maybe ecars/esb should put up signage with a few general rules for people to follow. Otherwise things are going to get a lot worse with the amount of new EVs on the road.

Fast charge your spot on.
But the slow chargers are fair game to be left there for a couple of hours.

What car have you got?

Fitz2011 · 15-10-2018 06:55PM

kceire wrote: »

Fast charge your spot on.
But the slow chargers are fair game to be left there for a couple of hours.

What car have you got?

We have a 151 Nissan Leaf Sve. Unfortunately my wife gets to use it more than I do. I’ll be trade in my ice as soon as I can do 200miles on a charge. The Nissan Leaf 60 or the Kia Niro Ev are looking very interesting. I would have traded in mine for the Leaf 40 if it had a thermal management system for the battery pack. Was also concerned about the resale value in a few years once the Leaf60 is on sale. Kills me filling up and handing over €70 ago!

Gumbo · 15-10-2018 09:27PM

Fitz2011 wrote: »

We have a 151 Nissan Leaf Sve. Unfortunately my wife gets to use it more than I do. I’ll be trade in my ice as soon as I can do 200miles on a charge. The Nissan Leaf 60 or the Kia Niro Ev are looking very interesting. I would have traded in mine for the Leaf 40 if it had a thermal management system for the battery pack. Was also concerned about the resale value in a few years once the Leaf60 is on sale. Kills me filling up and handing over €70 ago!

How do you monitor your fast charging while away from the car?
Mine will not monitor while fast charging on any fast charger anywhere.

Fitz2011 · 15-10-2018 10:18PM

kceire wrote: »

How do you monitor your fast charging while away from the car?
Mine will not monitor while fast charging on any fast charger anywhere.

I’m using the Nissan Ev app for iPhone. (Running iOS 12 if that makes a difference) In the settings on the app I’ve enable all the notifications to come to my phone. Are you using the same app?

Gumbo · 16-10-2018 10:39PM

Fitz2011 wrote: »

I’m using the Nissan Ev app for iPhone. (Running iOS 12 if that makes a difference) In the settings on the app I’ve enable all the notifications to come to my phone. Are you using the same app?

Yes, my app works perfectly but I cannot monitor fast charging.
Maybe next time do a screen shot when connected to the fast charge point.

KCross · 17-10-2018 11:28AM

kceire wrote: »

Yes, my app works perfectly but I cannot monitor fast charging.
Maybe next time do a screen shot when connected to the fast charge point.

The only "monitoring" you can do of a fast charger is all the stuff I'm sure you already know about...

- email me when the charge session finishes
- get latest SOC and notify it via the app
- and of course all the stuff that LeafSpy does but you need to be in the car for that.

There isnt anything else really that you can do to monitor a rapid charge session.

Gumbo · 17-10-2018 08:53PM

KCross wrote: »

The only "monitoring" you can do of a fast charger is all the stuff I'm sure you already know about...

- email me when the charge session finishes
- get latest SOC and notify it via the app
- and of course all the stuff that LeafSpy does but you need to be in the car for that.

There isnt anything else really that you can do to monitor a rapid charge session.

That's what im trying to get across (badly). People post that they connect to a FCP and monitor their charge so they are back in time, but from my experience, the app does not tell you the SOC when fast charging at all.

I have to physically turn the car on to see its % or check the FCP itself.

DrPhilG · 17-10-2018 09:01PM

kceire wrote: »

That's what im trying to get across (badly). People post that they connect to a FCP and monitor their charge so they are back in time, but from my experience, the app does not tell you the SOC when fast charging at all.

3 and a half years in a Leaf and I never realised that.

Mind you that's because I'm generally back at my car before it hits 80%.

KCross · 17-10-2018 09:11PM

kceire wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

The only "monitoring" you can do of a fast charger is all the stuff I'm sure you already know about...

- email me when the charge session finishes
- get latest SOC and notify it via the app
- and of course all the stuff that LeafSpy does but you need to be in the car for that.

There isnt anything else really that you can do to monitor a rapid charge session.

That's what im trying to get across (badly). People post that they connect to a FCP and monitor their charge so they are back in time, but from my experience, the app does not tell you the SOC when fast charging at all.

I have to physically turn the car on to see its % or check the FCP itself.

The app will give you the current SoC while rapid charging though. Are you saying that doesn’t work for you? That works for me.

Gumbo · 17-10-2018 10:25PM

KCross wrote: »

The app will give you the current SoC while rapid charging though. Are you saying that doesn’t work for you? That works for me.

I’ll check next time I fast charge.
I’m positive I don’t get a current soc nor a time to full charge.

But I’ll confirm. Don’t know when I’ll be back at a FCP though.

Fitz2011 · 17-10-2018 10:43PM

kceire wrote: »

I’ll check next time I fast charge.
I’m positive I don’t get a current soc nor a time to full charge.

But I’ll confirm. Don’t know when I’ll be back at a FCP though.

I get remote notifications. With the details while charging .also I can check the app and see how many battery bars and how many kilometres are available while charging. I can see this on any charger. Fast, slow or on my house charger. So it’s easy to monitor the charge while away from the car. I just refresh the app and it updates. It also updates the time need to recharge to full but only charge to 80% on fast charger. I have the car set to only allow it to charge to 80% (long life battery settings or what every they call it)

unkel · 17-10-2018 10:53PM

Fitz2011 wrote: »

I get remote notifications.

If only the fool in the nice Spring Cloud L40 got remote notificitions:

after plugging in: "don't plug the car into a fast charger when it is already at 70%, you prick! You only need 5% charge to get home."

after the charge dropped below 20kW: "get back to the car now and unplug, you imbecile!"

After "fast" charging for over 2 hours: "banned. You've forsaken the right to own an electric car. Car will be confiscated and sold at auction"

:pac:

Gumbo · 18-10-2018 09:28AM

Fitz2011 wrote: »

I get remote notifications. With the details while charging .also I can check the app and see how many battery bars and how many kilometres are available while charging. I can see this on any charger. Fast, slow or on my house charger. So it’s easy to monitor the charge while away from the car. I just refresh the app and it updates. It also updates the time need to recharge to full but only charge to 80% on fast charger. I have the car set to only allow it to charge to 80% (long life battery settings or what every they call it)

Yes, that's all pretty standard. I get all the notifications as normal (charge stopped/finished) but from memory when im connected to a FCP, I don't get the real time info. I do get the notification of stopping etc.

I'll check the next time.

KCross · 18-10-2018 09:46AM

kceire wrote: »

Yes, that's all pretty standard. I get all the notifications as normal (charge stopped/finished) but from memory when im connected to a FCP, I don't get the real time info. I do get the notification of stopping etc.

I'll check the next time.

Well, its not really realtime. Its the same as you get when connected to a slow charge... you click refresh from the app, it sends a message to the Nissan servers which send an SMS to the car which responds with the SoC which then gets fed back to the app via the web. Each refresh takes a minute or so but it does definitely show SoC.

The Nissan app only shows the bars (e.g. 7/12) but the EVA app shows a percentage which I find better, but I think that app is iOS only. I dont use the Nissan app anymore.... EVA only but it uses the same raw data and connection.

ewj1978 · 21-10-2018 05:39PM

my L30 app used to be able to check the charge, while charging. Handy while sat in a Cafe.

Stealthirl · 25-10-2018 07:04PM

KCross wrote: »

Well, its not really realtime. Its the same as you get when connected to a slow charge... you click refresh from the app, it sends a message to the Nissan servers which send an SMS to the car which responds with the SoC which then gets fed back to the app via the web. Each refresh takes a minute or so but it does definitely show SoC.

The Nissan app only shows the bars (e.g. 7/12) but the EVA app shows a percentage which I find better, but I think that app is iOS only. I dont use the Nissan app anymore.... EVA only but it uses the same raw data and connection.

I find EVA can be slower to sync the data but the % is defiantly better then bars. It also worked the other day when i was at a FCP

BigAl81 · 02-11-2018 11:18PM

Hi,

Just wondering what range people are getting now that the weather has gotten a bit cooler?

Thanks,
Al.

unkel · 03-11-2018 01:01AM

In the L40?

Samih posted on another thread that he is currently getting under 200km just on N roads and local driving. You'll get a lot less than that at 120km/h and a lot less again when the temps drop to winter conditions.

I have noticed range has dropped a good bit in Ioniq too. Consistently got 240km during the summer driving the car hard, but that is down to about 210km now. Will go down again when temps go lower and / or with more and faster motorway driving...

MightyMunster · 03-11-2018 09:14AM

Test driving a new Leaf today, first ever EV experience. Looking forward to it

Will be a big step up in technology from my bog standard 2005 Golf.

Only doing around 50k a day for work and my wife's ICE car will be used for longer trips.

Shefwedfan · 03-11-2018 09:15AM

MightyMunster wrote: »

Test driving a new Leaf today, first ever EV experience. Looking forward to it

Will be a big step up in technology from my bog standard 2005 Golf.

Only doing around 50k a day for work and my wife's ICE car will be used for longer trips.

Test an eGolf while your at it

BigAl81 · 03-11-2018 09:19AM

unkel wrote: »

In the L40?

Samih posted on another thread that he is currently getting under 200km just on N roads and local driving. You'll get a lot less than that at 120km/h and a lot less again when the temps drop to winter conditions.

I have noticed range has dropped a good bit in Ioniq too. Consistently got 240km during the summer driving the car hard, but that is down to about 210km now. Will go down again when temps go lower and / or with more and faster motorway driving...

Sorry, Yes, I meant the Leaf 40.

Wow that's fairly shocking that the Leaf 40kWh gets the same or worse range as the Ionic 28kWh!

The Leaf's battery is 43% bigger, that can't be right surely?

I'm test driving the Kona and Leaf 40 today so just looking to compare range.

Thanks for the info!
Al.

2018 Leaf

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