2018 Leaf

ELM327 · 12-10-2018 04:34PM

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Really Elm, "fanboy", play the ball not the man.

I have already said I own an L40, I knew of the possible issues around rapidgate, I drive my car, there are reductions in charge kw on second fast chargers.

The reality is there is no 1-2 hours (for me anyway), and Nissan was caught because they were not clear about the possibility of longer charge times than 60mins in certain circumstances.

Everybody needs to stop giving out about different EV's they all have their advantages and flaws.

Heres one of each

L40
- lot of car for price, boot size and a lovely drive
- possible rapidgate

EGolf
- solid construction, looks like normal car, comfortable
- high price

Ioniq
- great motorway distance, new chargers on the way with ionity
- rear visability, boot a little small, not a fan of the seats

i3
- looks futuristic and rear wheel drive
- high price, seats 4 and weird doors

Can we at least try to move on the conversation here and if posting in 2018 Leaf how about letting those that wish to know more or are driving one and want to ask questions have a resource as opposed the same item over and over again.

Thanks (i may have overstepped in the last paragraph but I'm just starting to get fed up on this posting when it should have a more varied discussion)

I'll give it a start - any L40 driver having difficulties with the emergency braking when passing other cars that maybe turning out of the lane you are in and car decides that the car in front is still there when its already gone?

If you're getting in a huff about the term "fanboy" then perhaps the wonders of the internet are perhaps a little beyond your realm of suitable interaction.

My post was clear and factual, a riposte of sorts to your denigration of Unkle's perfectly valid points about L40 and rapidgate.

If you've bought the car fully aware of rapidgate (and I hope to god for your sake you have) then you should not be defending the indefensible.

I'm not trying to "have a go" at you, I don't know you from Adam but I'm not going to participate in a love in for an L40, an EV that you have to fettle to get it to work.

For an example of my appreciation of oddity EVs, I'd love a fluence EV. A post here in the past worked out that it would be quicker to cycle to galway from Dublin than it would to take a Fluence EV. But I love it despite its flaws and ridiculous inherent issues (lack of fast charging). The difference is I'm not telling people that state it can't fast charge that they are "scaremongering" for providing factual information.

ELM327 · 12-10-2018 04:36PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

4:15 to do a journey that should take 3:00. So basically totally unsuitable for long journeys.

You can't have a few kids in the back etc and tag on that additional time. And that is if everything is working.

And what do you do if the next charging point is also out of order?

That article is really scary in terms of EV usability.

Scary because it is accurately true.
Travelling beyond the range of your EV at this moment in time is a risk. You cannot be time dependent.

And that's due to the crap network, not the cars.

unkel wrote: »

That's no good to the Leaf though. And that is the only widely available budget EV you can buy in this country. The whole uptake of EVs is under threat to get even slower once this public charging time bomb explodes

I can already see the news articles "I bought an electric vehicle and had to wait 5 hours to charge"

I don't care about the leaf, I care about myself avoiding a single point of failure charger in use for 2 hours by a rapidgated L40.

Leroy42 · 12-10-2018 04:45PM

I have been toying with the idea of an EV for the past few months, really tempted. But the better half simply says that its worth it to wait a few more years. The technology will continue to improve for a start.

But that article really points out a major flaw with the current setup. One of the key benefits of the current petrol/diesel is the infrastructure. You can basically travel anyway and be pretty certain of not running out. Anybody on a motorway with a flashing fuel gauge knows the stress of wondering if you are going to make the make petrol station. Add to that that even if you make it you could be stuck for hours.

I totally agree that the cars, in as much as I can ascertain, aren't the problem. It is the lack of infrastructure. And it will only get worse as more EV's enter the market.

The government are going to treat this the same as the broadband roll out, no urgency and no real understanding. They need to invest in a proper infrastructure now to avoid stopping the revolution before it gets going

DrPhilG · 12-10-2018 05:04PM

I'd say the chances of getting stuck behind 3 L40s is fairly high in busy areas.

The chances of getting stuck behind 3 of them suffering from rapidgate is extremely low though...

Mins you even one of them experiencing rapidgate would be as bad as 3 who aren't.

I've been saying for ages, the public charging network is getting less and less fit for purpose and that (along with rapidgate) is why I wouldn't buy a L40.

And believe me, with the crazy prices being mooted for the Kona and e-Niro I have gone back and given full consideration to the L40 as a stop gap option for a few years.

Just can't do it!

kennethsmyth · 12-10-2018 05:04PM

ELM327 wrote: »

If you're getting in a huff about the term "fanboy" then perhaps the wonders of the internet are perhaps a little beyond your realm of suitable interaction.

My post was clear and factual, a riposte of sorts to your denigration of Unkle's perfectly valid points about L40 and rapidgate.

If you've bought the car fully aware of rapidgate (and I hope to god for your sake you have) then you should not be defending the indefensible.

I'm not trying to "have a go" at you, I don't know you from Adam but I'm not going to participate in a love in for an L40, an EV that you have to fettle to get it to work.

For an example of my appreciation of oddity EVs, I'd love a fluence EV. A post here in the past worked out that it would be quicker to cycle to galway from Dublin than it would to take a Fluence EV. But I love it despite its flaws and ridiculous inherent issues (lack of fast charging). The difference is I'm not telling people that state it can't fast charge that they are "scaremongering" for providing factual information.

Elm, I'm not in a "Huff" seriously grow up. I am in no love in for a L40 either. I considered all EV's of the time prior to purchasing the L40.

Yes Nissan should be held to account, but at the same time you need to be less negative as to what is a good EV.

Also I don't have to "fettle" the leaf to get to work, I have previously stated I do an 80km commute with 50/50 motorway, i can go at full whack if needed at any time.

ELM327 · 12-10-2018 05:07PM

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Elm, I'm not in a "Huff" seriously grow up. I am in no love in for a L40 either. I considered all EV's of the time prior to purchasing the L40.

Yes Nissan should be held to account, but at the same time you need to be less negative as to what is a good EV.

Also I don't have to "fettle" the leaf to get to work, I have previously stated I do an 80km commute with 50/50 motorway, i can go at full whack if needed at any time.

LOL

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Really Elm, "fanboy", play the ball not the man.

I have already said I own an L40, I knew of the possible issues around rapidgate, I drive my car, there are reductions in charge kw on second fast chargers.

The reality is there is no 1-2 hours (for me anyway), and Nissan was caught because they were not clear about the possibility of longer charge times than 60mins in certain circumstances.

Everybody needs to stop giving out about different EV's they all have their advantages and flaws.

Heres one of each

L40
- lot of car for price, boot size and a lovely drive
- possible rapidgate

EGolf
- solid construction, looks like normal car, comfortable
- high price

Ioniq
- great motorway distance, new chargers on the way with ionity
- rear visability, boot a little small, not a fan of the seats

i3
- looks futuristic and rear wheel drive
- high price, seats 4 and weird doors

Can we at least try to move on the conversation here and if posting in 2018 Leaf how about letting those that wish to know more or are driving one and want to ask questions have a resource as opposed the same item over and over again.

Thanks (i may have overstepped in the last paragraph but I'm just starting to get fed up on this posting when it should have a more varied discussion)

I'll give it a start - any L40 driver having difficulties with the emergency braking when passing other cars that maybe turning out of the lane you are in and car decides that the car in front is still there when its already gone?

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:11PM

KCross wrote: »

You'd probably have to drive at ~100km/h to be sure in winter.
The TMS side of things wont matter in this particular case because you will be starting out at 100% and getting to your destination without charging.

If you do want to stop to charge on the way it would only be a splash and dash so again rapidgate would not come into play.

After that its down to whether you can get your hands on a s/h Ioniq (somewhat difficult) or just buy a new Leaf (should be easy to do).

Get a Leaf on loan for a w/end and try the commute. Thats the only true way to satisfy yourself.

Hi
When you say just buy a new Leaf is that because the new Leafs dont have the rapidgate issue or do you mean buy a 2019 Leaf?

Mancomb Seepgood · 12-10-2018 07:28PM

Mechatronical wrote: »

Hi
When you say just buy a new Leaf is that because the new Leafs dont have the rapidgate issue or do you mean buy a 2019 Leaf?

The new Leaf (2018 model) has the rapidgate issue, but based on the journey you described rapidgate won't be a problem for you.The lack of a motorway to Sligo is a big help here: even in winter if you stick at about 100km/h on the motorway and at the speed limit for the remainder you should be fine.In the event you do need a charge just for comfort it should only be a very short one.

This assumes your leaving home with 100%. I assume you can charge at the other end?

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:35PM

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

Mechatronical wrote: »

Hi
When you say just buy a new Leaf is that because the new Leafs dont have the rapidgate issue or do you mean buy a 2019 Leaf?

The new Leaf (2018 model) has the rapidgate issue, but based on the journey you described rapidgate won't be a problem for you.The lack of a motorway to Sligo is a big help here: even in winter if you stick at about 100km/h on the motorway and at the speed limit for the remainder you should be fine.In the event you do need a charge just for comfort it should only be a very short one.

This assumes your leaving home with 100%. I assume you can charge at the other end?

At present (according to ESB charging map) there is a 22KW charger in Cellbridge. At the house in Cellbridge it would just be a 3 pin plug job.

If I went electric would get the fast charger setup at the house in Sligo. How long would it take to charge a Leaf from nearly flat on a 22KW charging point?

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:36PM

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

Mechatronical wrote: »

Hi
When you say just buy a new Leaf is that because the new Leafs dont have the rapidgate issue or do you mean buy a 2019 Leaf?

The new Leaf (2018 model) has the rapidgate issue, but based on the journey you described rapidgate won't be a problem for you.The lack of a motorway to Sligo is a big help here: even in winter if you stick at about 100km/h on the motorway and at the speed limit for the remainder you should be fine.In the event you do need a charge just for comfort it should only be a very short one.

This assumes your leaving home with 100%. I assume you can charge at the other end?

At present (according to ESB charging map) there is a 22KW charger in Cellbridge. At the house in Cellbridge it would just be a 3 pin plug job.

If I went electric would get the fast charger setup at the house in Sligo. How long would it take to charge a Leaf from nearly flat on a 22KW charging point?

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:38PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:38PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:39PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:39PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:39PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:39PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:39PM

unkel wrote: »

Get both an Ioniq and a Leaf on loan to check the route and then decide for yourself what you prefer. You seem to have done your research well, but I wonder do you know that the public network has both CHAdeMO and CCS fast charging, but this network is not in a good state and is already getting congested? And that there is a private network coming that only has CCS charging (so no Leaf can charge there)? Also you can only charge 1 car at a time at the public charging network. And you will be able to charge 6 cars at a time at the private network

Also if you do stop, a "fast" charge in a Leaf from 20-80% on the current network takes 1-2 hours* and the same charge for the same range in Ioniq takes just 20 minutes (and less than 15 minutes on above private network)

* the advertising standards commission in the UK found the 1 hour for the charge that Nissan advertised misleading. It could take a lot longer. See posts above.

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mechatronical · 12-10-2018 07:40PM

unkel wrote:

As KCross rightly said, if you never need a fast charge, then these slow charge times of the Leaf (google #rapidgate) and the CHAdeMO charging system and the state of the public charging network are not relevant. But if you do, Leaf wouldn not be a good choice. Neither Leaf nor Ioniq can do the 190km in winter at 120km/h on a charge. You can make it in the Leaf at about 100km/h and in Ioniq at about 110km/h rough guesses

So looked into to some of your suggestions (Rapidgate, Charging types, etc) and it looks like the Ioniq while having less range and less spec then the Leaf seems to have more flexibility and speed at the charging points.

In general it looks like I'm a year too early for electrics. But for now Ioniq looks like the better choice in terms of its charging speed. Will continue to look into the two cars.

Realistically there is no other competitor at present with the same bang for buck as the Leaf or Ioniq (Apart from the Chloe which I think looks terrible). The one thing that seems strange to me is that I can pick up a showroom Leaf with I'm guessing a paint color nobody wants right now or spec an SVE Leaf now and get one in January which is something I cannot do for an Ioniq (from my inquiries if I ordered an Ioniq now I think the earliest I would get it would be in late March).

Mancomb Seepgood · 12-10-2018 07:56PM

Mechatronical wrote: »

At present (according to ESB charging map) there is a 22KW charger in Cellbridge. At the house in Cellbridge it would just be a 3 pin plug job.

If I went electric would get the fast charger setup at the house in Sligo. How long would it take to charge a Leaf from nearly flat on a 22KW charging point?

Not sure of the exact time but it should charge from empty in under 8 hours on a 22kw charger (you would only be able to charge at 6.6kw).If the charger is the one at Hazelhatch it's quite reliable but not the most convenient unless you live near or are taking the train.A granny cable (3-pin plug) will help too.

unkel · 12-10-2018 09:05PM

B'town this evening

Two blue lights solid, one flashing. Charger was showing 25kW. Guessing the figures here, but maybe roughly 80% SOC? And if he arrived fairly empty, he was charging for roughly an hour at that stage?

Came back nearly an hour later. So car probably charging for the guts of 2 hours at that stage. Still two blue lights solid, one flashing. And here is how fast it was charging

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Waited for another 15 minutes, to see if the owner was coming back. He wasn't to be seen, so I was about to get into my car. Then the owner arrived. He had his missus and a baby with him, so I could control myself. Otherwise I would have had a very, very robust discussion with him

Soarer · 12-10-2018 10:26PM

Wow.
Nearly 3 pages since I last checked the thread earlier today.
Let me guess....
Ioniq owners bitching and moaning about the L40, while talking up the Ioniq?
Zzzzzzzzz.

As for your post above Unkel, how do you know how long he was charging for? Just randomly pulling 2 hours out your a$$. He could've pulled up literally 2 minutes before you!

Not condoning his actions btw. I'd be surprised if he wasn't a new EV owner, and didn't understand throttling towards 100%, etc.

Soarer · 12-10-2018 10:32PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm sorry but if someone is going to post blinded fanboy rubbish it's going to be met in kind.

That's right, kettle.

Shefwedfan · 12-10-2018 10:44PM

So, have they started to discount the Leaf 2 yet? what they selling at these days?

Soarer · 12-10-2018 10:47PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So, have they started to discount the Leaf 2 yet? what they selling at these days?

Hopefully soon.

Ex demo Tekna models can be got between £23-£24k from time to time.

unkel · 12-10-2018 10:54PM

Soarer wrote: »

As for your post above Unkel, how do you know how long he was charging for? Just randomly pulling 2 hours out your a$$.

I don't know for sure. I never claimed I did. But he is hardly going to plug it in when it is 80% charged? And then leave it plugged in for an hour and 20 minutes for it to reach 99%?

Far more likely he did indeed have it plugged in to the fast charger for at least two hours, possibly more

cars that take over 2 hours to charge if you don't switch them off yourself + ignorant owners + poorly maintained network where only 1 car can charge at a time = recipe for disaster

I can't honestly recommend any EV to anybody at the moment unless I'm convinced they will not have to use the public charging network

grudgehugger · 13-10-2018 12:04AM

unkel wrote: »

I can't honestly recommend any EV to anybody at the moment unless I'm convinced they will not have to use the public charging network

I read this thread (and forum) a lot back in the first couple of months of this year while deciding whether or not to buy the L40.

One of the things I decided was pretty much the above - if buying I needed to be happy running the car off my house charger for > 95% of my use (and any public charging was at my own risk! Hair loss likely...).

I think we badly need a pay-to-use public charging infrastructure - not very informed on this - why don't the fuel stations provide this???

In my own world, so far, I've been able to stick to my home charger or 3 pin plug at my destination for juice.

Doing over 300km tomorrow and going to chance the Leaf rather than the Skoda diesel - first foray into public charging ahoy!

Shefwedfan · 13-10-2018 11:40AM

grudgehugger wrote: »

I read this thread (and forum) a lot back in the first couple of months of this year while deciding whether or not to buy the L40.

One of the things I decided was pretty much the above - if buying I needed to be happy running the car off my house charger for > 95% of my use (and any public charging was at my own risk! Hair loss likely...).

I think we badly need a pay-to-use public charging infrastructure - not very informed on this - why don't the fuel stations provide this???

In my own world, so far, I've been able to stick to my home charger or 3 pin plug at my destination for juice.

Doing over 300km tomorrow and going to chance the Leaf rather than the Skoda diesel - first foray into public charging ahoy!

The pay-to-use system will never come in while public charging is free. What is the point when your competition is free? if you invest in pay-to-use you need as many customer as possible. How can you do that when potentially down the road a charger is free, so people will check that first and only use the paid system if the free one is blocked....not a great business model to invest in....

The Ionity system will be in place because you have high end customer like Audi etc using it. Tesla is the same....

The pay-to-use is currently been stopped because the government departments can't decide what to do with the free network.....

beauf · 13-10-2018 02:03PM

Some People would pay for fast charging and to skip the queue.

unkel · 13-10-2018 02:23PM

A charge of €0.50 per minute would certainly mean the end of imbeciles like 181D36303 hogging the fast charger doing 2kW

KCross · 13-10-2018 03:12PM

unkel wrote: »

B'town this evening

Two blue lights solid, one flashing. Charger was showing 25kW. Guessing the figures here, but maybe roughly 80% SOC? And if he arrived fairly empty, he was charging for roughly an hour at that stage?

Came back nearly an hour later. So car probably charging for the guts of 2 hours at that stage. Still two blue lights solid, one flashing. And here is how fast it was charging

Waited for another 15 minutes, to see if the owner was coming back. He wasn't to be seen, so I was about to get into my car. Then the owner arrived. He had his missus and a baby with him, so I could control myself. Otherwise I would have had a very, very robust discussion with him

2 solid lights and one flashing means he was at 67% or greater.

At 2kW he was probably at 97%+ so he effectively used the rapid to charge to 100%. What a dick.

Did you say anything to him? Did he acknowledge you at all?

Even Tesla charge you for overstaying at their chargers now. People like this guy have no consideration and never will. A pay to use system is the only way to stop that behavior.

imo, the software in the rapid itself should auto disconnect the charge session when the charge rate drops below a certain threshold(maybe 20kW). If someone really needs to get to 100% then have an SCP next to it that they can swap to but dont hold up a rapid delivering 2kW! Mental.

2018 Leaf

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